Carr done in Houston, Plummer to lead Texans?
Reports out of Houston have the Texans parting ways with quarterback David Carr and acquiring Jake Plummer to lead the team in 2007.
If Plummer and Carr are traded, what will they return to their respective teams and who will take a chance on Carr?
The Broncos would love to get a 4th rounder for Plummer, but it's doubtful he'll go for more then a 5th. The Texans seem to be the only team with much interest.
Carr has more value as some think the problem with Carr was his porous offensive line. The Texans are rumored to want a 3rd round pick for Carr and might be able to get it. Both Carolina and Jacksonville could be interested.
If Plummer and Carr are traded, what will they return to their respective teams and who will take a chance on Carr?
The Broncos would love to get a 4th rounder for Plummer, but it's doubtful he'll go for more then a 5th. The Texans seem to be the only team with much interest.
Carr has more value as some think the problem with Carr was his porous offensive line. The Texans are rumored to want a 3rd round pick for Carr and might be able to get it. Both Carolina and Jacksonville could be interested.
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The Plummer for Carr trade makes sense to both teams because the teams will not be able to trade the players for draft picks. The NFL rules stipulate that the trade must be for equal value. There is very little chance that they will approve a trade of Plummer (8 million dollars per year) for a 5th round pick (half a million per year or less contract.) The same can be said for Carr. So the teams will have to cut the players which will go against the cap (5 million in 2007 & 3 million in 2008 respectively). If they are traded for each other the trade will be approved as it is for like value. I think the trade will happen because both teams have so much to gain by the trade and so much to lose by not making the trade. I think the trade hinges on whether Carr will agree to restructure his contract with the Bronco's to make his contract more salary cap friendly.
According to the report they won't be traded for each other. The Broncos will trade Plummer to the Texans for a low round draft pick and the Texans will send Carr to another team in a separate trade.
Also, the size of a player's contract has little correlation in a player's value. If anything, the larger the contract the less trade value a player will have.
I seems that most people think that Jake can be traded for a 5th or 7th round pick, but the Bronco's will have to cut him and eat his contact in a salary cap hit if they don't work a trade for the same value. The NFL will not approve a trade unless the trade is for the same value to the team (meaning financial value). This is a rule to stop teams from cheating the salary cap system.
The Bronco's would obviously want something back but I think they really just want more money to spend in free agency and would get rid of Plummer cheap if they could.
The NFL rules require that if Jake Plummer is traded that the Bronco's get at least 5.5 million in compensation for the trade. They will not approve it otherwise. That would mean a 2nd round or higher or a player with a contract of 5.5 million.
Check the Denver Post for details.
Paul, I'm not sure where you get your facts...
Players with big contacts are traded all the time for low draft picks. See Joey Harrington for a 5th rounder last year.
Sure the teams have to sort out the contract details to get the cap numbers to work, but trades don't have to only be made for players with equal contacts.
David Carr........ many are speculating that he will be traded this off season and if so I see him landing in the land of the Chicago Bears... teaming up with his #1 Receiver from FRESNO ST. Bernard Berrian. If this happens Chicago will finally have the missing piece to their puzzle and Receivers will no longer have to wait for ball or come back for it. This is my two cents take it or leave it.
David Carr for Thomas Jones would be the ideal trade for both teams. The Texans need a running back and the Bears need a quarterback. The Bears are also unlikely to pay Jones a lot of money since they have Benson and the Texans will probably end up with Plummer but I personally think Sage should be given the shot to start.
If Carr were to go to the texans, then they would have a bunch of wasted talent at quarterback. Especially with Brian Greise sitting there as well as Kyle Orton and it is all a bunch of wasted money also.
Carr is already with the Texans and Orton and Griese are with the Bears.
Is anyone considering Marshawn Lynch, RB Cal? Peterson my be injury prone. How about trading Carr for a draft pick (3-4 th rd),
picking up Plummer and letting Sage Rosenfels have an equal opportunity to compete for starter?
We could continue to improve through free agency and later drafts picks (like Kevin Kolb, QB U of H). We really need to use this 1st rd. pick effectively. Lynch seems to have it all!
plummer to texans, carr to miami
Plummer will get pumbled in houston w/out an o-line just like carr did. I give gary one more year to build team around Plummer and then good things could happen depending on Jake.
All the rumors about Garcia to the Bears is ridiculous. Carr is a much better fit for the team and the offensive system. Garcia struggled in Cleveland who ran a similar offense to Ron Turner.
Carr is mobile, good size and has a big arm to execute the deep drops, deep crosses and long throws the Bears love to run. Garcia on the other hand, has poor arm strength, is short and is not a long term answer. The Bears are looking for a QB to contend year after year, that's why Lovie went with Grossman all year and not the quick fix in Griese.
A trade for one of the backup QB's, draft choices or C.Benson makes sense.
chris said...
If Carr were to go to the texans, then they would have a bunch of wasted talent at quarterback. Especially with Brian Greise sitting there as well as Kyle Orton and it is all a bunch of wasted money also.
that's the worst comment ever there's no talent on the bench, Griese is beat, and Orton just sucks.
The Texans more likely will pick up Plummer but whoever said Carr would go to a teams like Carolina well that's the right choice there.
True, Carr is done and to get a 4th is a steal like what they got which was a second from the Cowboys when they traded Crew Henson. Plummer might as well go to the Texans, he use to live in the Desert so it would be a great environment for him. Carr needs to rework his deal.
Plummer wont get sacked as much as carr di because plummer doesnt absolutely panick when there is pressure. Lynch could be pretty good but he isnt a healthy Peterson. With the lack of talent houston has, they need to take that risk if hes available. Does anyone remember eric dickerson? AP=ED
Cowboys gave a 3rd round pick to the Texans for Drew Henson, not a 2nd. As a Cowboy fan, I opposed that from the beginning, seeing how well Chad Hutchinson did. Whatta bust...
Jake the Snake to Houston.
D. Carr to Chicago.
The Fins take their chances on Brady Quinn.
trading carr would be crazy. this team chose him for a franchise qb. getting plummer for carr isnt a quick fix. he will still be behind that block-no-one offensive line. plummer is aging. get carr people in front of him to protect him and let him get the ball to johnson. drafting another reciever or a runningback would be good. lynch or jarrett in round 1. if not lynch in 1 then get michael bush in rd 2. then get someone that carr can throw to in the middle of the field in rd 3. scott chandler of iowa would be an awesome pick up in 3. he is 6'7'' and can catch like a wr. carr is your qb of the future. get him a line that can block. and surround him with talent.
This is possible. But I dont think that the Broncos would want another good QB. They already have a "Brett Favre" like QB and they know Cutler is the future of this franchise. David Carr would be only a bench warmer. I would recommend Carr to go to a team with an old QB that's going down hill like Jake Delhomme.
Plummer will be in Houston next season. The Broncos will release him after June 1st which will save them very slightly in the cap hit. The Broncos are also expected to ask aging veterans such as Rod Smith, Al Wilson, Matt Lepsis & Tom Nalen to restructure their contacts to create cap room for free agency. Also expect the Broncos to pursue Daniel Grahm of New England if he is not franchised by the Patriots. Either way Houston has no need to trade for Plummer when they know he is going to be released on June 1st. Trading Carr straight across does not make sense for both teams. What is Denver going to do with Carr, when Cutler is there. The last thing the Broncos will do is make a trade that might make Cutler question the Broncos confidence in him. Plummer will be in Houston but as a back=up or starter is the question. I think Houston is complete idiots for getting rid of Carr without giving him a solid o-line to play behind. He improved a lot last season behind another horrible o-line.
How about if Leftwich is traded out of Jacksonville, they pick up Carr. You can't forget about Oakland, Cleveland and maybe even the Vikings.
I think the texans should get rid of carr period. Being a long time Houston fan i would take nothing in return. Rather then having to see him hold on to the ball too long and throwing picks all the time. Im a longhorn fan as well know where im going?
how about trading carr to the packers...he can sit for a year, while he watches and learns from old man favre. the following year when favre retires, carr can beat out rodgers for the starting spot.
I think Plummer would do better for the Texans then Carr. He may be getting old but he has the experience that Carr doesn't and won't get sacked as much. I do agree that Sage should get an equal chance at starter and learn from Plummers experience.
Texans do need a good running back, we kept Davis on the list last year for no reason he still can't play and when he does play he isn't all that great.
~k
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