Quinn's draft stock falling fast
Brady Quinn was once considered the top pick in the draft and while he still could be a high first rounder, many experts and scouts are moving Quinn down their draft boards.
His fall started when juniors JaMarcus Russell, Adrian Peterson, and Calvin Johnson entered the draft. Then Mel Kiper slid him down to ninth in his latest mock.
Now The Sporting News is quoting scouts who say "He's (Quinn) the biggest fraud in the draft" and "should be a third- or fourth-round pick". They add their final insult by calling him the next Joey Harrington.
His fall started when juniors JaMarcus Russell, Adrian Peterson, and Calvin Johnson entered the draft. Then Mel Kiper slid him down to ninth in his latest mock.
Now The Sporting News is quoting scouts who say "He's (Quinn) the biggest fraud in the draft" and "should be a third- or fourth-round pick". They add their final insult by calling him the next Joey Harrington.
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This could get interesting. I always felt Quinn was a bit over-rated, but never thought there was a chance of him sliding out of the top half. (Little bit like Aaron Rodgers a couple of years ago.) I'm sure his agent is telling him to stay away from the combine, but unless he tests well he may not regain his elite standing.
On the other hand, if he goes to the combine and looks more ordinary, he seals his fate. He's kind of caught between a rock and a hard place.
I believe in Brady 100%. He's been good all season, and every game he's done a great job. It's not Brady Quinn losing the big games, it's the team that is. Quinn is so underrated that he's now not even in the top 10? I think everyone should rethink what they said about Brady Quinn.
This is ridiculous, Quinn should be taken #1. He has proven to have the best NFL ability of all the quarterbacks in this draft. jamarcus Russel is sick, but not good enough for a #1 pick.
Like the second post comment, he's doing good in games but the rest of the team isn't helping him out.
I think that this year's draft class is very week at QB. I dont see Russel or Quinn ever being reliable starters. I dont think that Russel is the greatest decision maker, but he could come around with time. Sure, he has an arm, but how many plays are there where the QB is required to throw the ball 80 yards downfield?
Quinn will probably be awful in the pros. He cant react to blitz well and cant beat a decent defense even at the college level. If he ever wins more than 10 games in a season, I will be very surprised.
--Deeluxx
what a joke, Quinn at # 1. Have him show up for big games, Top Talent equals bad games for this loser. Stop Loving ND so much and understand that he is more like other recent qb's from ND than Joe Montana. And just because your coach said he would be in NFL doesn't mean he will. Why you are at it have him show up for big games too.
I've said it for months now; Quinn is equal parts Rick Mirer and Chris Simms. He'll be rich but probably not amount to much.
This is bull. Brady Quinn is going to be a very good QB in the NFL. The only reason, I think, he wouldn't be selected #1 overall is because Oakland's O-line sucks and they need a beast at the QB just to survive.
Leinart fell to #10 last year, and he was a much more accomplished QB than Quinn. Quinn's guaudy numbers against poor competition does not make him an NFL franchise QB. A closer look at him against tough competition and one sees an average quarterback who struggled to get wins against quality opponents.
Isn't Brady Quinn the same guy that many scouts said would have been #1 last year over Leinart, Vince Young, and Cutler? When you have no defense (like Quinn did), you have to throw the ball all over the field. Other teams know this, and they tee off on the guy. Let Brady throw against his own secondary, and see what type of numbers he puts up. Like Jemarcus Russell got to do.
Quinn needs to go to an NFL team that has a starting Qb, learn the system, fill in when needed. Once he has had some game experience, then start him like Cutler in Denver. Kid looks to have most of the tools needed to be a starting QB at the pro level.
This is a little biased but Brady Quinn should not be the #1 draft pick to me because in college the only reason his stats looked so good is he would stack em against small colleges when real QB's like Troy Smith did all his stats against solid D1 schools and when Ohio State had a big lead they would take Troy Smith out and put in Justin Zwick im not saying Smith should be the #1 pick i just think Quinn was over rated becuase people would look at his stats and be like wow hes done amazing yeah he's a good QB but he would throw about 6 TD's against a small school like an Army or Navy or a team to that calaber and he kinda stat packed against them when his real QB skills were showed against a top notch program like USC i dont think Quinn is bad but i dont think hes as good as everybody says he is
In the decision of Russell or Quinn, you have to look at where they are going. Peyton Manning in Oakland is not going to the playoffs. Russell didn’t get spotlight till he went against Quinn, I by no means am I doubting his abilities as a quarterback, but how can you take a late junior year blooming quarterback over a 2-year heisman runner? I think Quinn is going to be a better quarterback down the road and I hope he falls down in the draft because if you put him on a balanced team he will do well. He has #1 pick talent and whoever drafts him is getting a quarterback they can build around.
Sometimes it is better to come out as a junior than stick around and not live up to the hype in your senior year. Leinart would have been the #1 ahead of Alex Smith, but he stuck around and saw his stock fall. Quinn might have been more highly regarded last year. I don't think you'll see very highly rated junior QB's stick around in college anymore. JaMarcus Russell is wise to come out now -- he could have a really good (but not great) year and watch his stock fall.
Exactly why is Quinn's stock falling? All this nonsense about how he couldn't win the big game in college means little in the NFL. It's not as if Quinn-led Irish teams lost to USC, Michigan, Ohio State, and LSU because of lack of offense. Quinn never had a chance to win those games (like Leinhart's & Youngs were able to) because of the mediocre Irish defense.
Quinn has near perfect NFL size, a strong arm, great decision making, flawless mechanics, with on and off the field intelligence to go along with two years in a pro-style offense. He's also shown that he can move out of the pocket and pick up crucial yards like a prototypical NFL QB (where he won't get hurt). The only knock is that he needs to work on the deep ball.
Personally, I'd love to see him fall, but it won't happen. There's no way he slips out of the top 10. Who wants to play for Oakland or Detroit anyway? Let him go to a better team and prove all the doubters wrong.
At this point you can't seriously rate either Quinn or Russell but to me Quinn seems like the safer bet. He played in a pro system with what were really average recievers and not the gretest offensive line. Physically he reminds me a lot of Carson Palmer: Great arm, intelligent, good athlete and great intangibles. Russell at this point is a just a big athletic kid with a huge arm. Obviously he has great potential but I'm not at all sure what he's done that makes people think he's ready to step in and play right now. If you want to win now, which the Raiders need to, you go with Quinn. in the end it should probably be Calvin Johnson #1 anyway
Quinn reminds me a lot of Carson Palmer; intelligent, great arm, good athlete, and great intangibles. At this point Russell is just and arm. He's got great potential but if you're the Raiders and you need to win NOW, you gotta go with a guy like Quinn who's played in a pro system. Or just take Calvin Johnson...
to put it short... I see no leadership qualities in Quinn.
Brady Quinn has an strong arm, football smarts, and he DOES have leadership abilities...
if any one of you thinks that he doesnt...try pulling Brady Quinn out of the Notre Dame offense this year, and then talk to me about him not being a leader and not being an impact player and all of that bull...
Brady Quinn was a raw talent as a sophomore...then Charlie Weis came in and made him mentally strong, physically strong, and NFL-ready...
if a guy with his size, arm, and smarts cant become a quality NFL QB...then i guess there's no use to evaluating pre-draft stock...cuz you just cant tell...(eg. Tom Brady, Hines Ward, Marcus Colston)
Quinn, in my opinion...will go to the browns at either 3 or 4 (depending on the coin flip)...and will become a quality NFL starter in the years to come...
so the doubters need to rethink this whole thing...and not blame quinn for the lack of a decent o-line or any form of a defense...
I don't understand all the flak about Quinn never having real competition. The ONLY two games this season Russell played in that LSU didn't totally overmatch athletically was Auburn and Florida. Looking at Russell's stats in those two games and you see that he is terrible when his team doesn't totally overmatch their opposition. To say that Russell is a better quarterback based on the Sugar Bowl is just as ludicrous, as Russell was throwing against a defense that if you called it mediocre would be a kind, and Quinn was throwing against the best defense in college football.
Okay, Brady didn't have the year many expected. But what you have to look at is that he was thrown around like a rag doll all year. ND didn't win the big games for two simple reasons: their defense stunk and their line couldn't protect Quinn. To blame the whole season on him is ridiculous. He's still got great size, a great arm, and great intagibles. He should go #1, not JaMarcus Russell. All you who disagree should look at these numbers: against ranked teams in his career, Russell threw for 13 TD's and 11 picks. Franchise QB? I don't think so.
With Brady Quinn's size, speed, and armstrength- his upside has been maxed out playing at Notre Dame under Charlie Weis. Pro Scouts look at him as too short, too slow, and too weak to be a star in the NFL
Like the first few poet said, hes good, but his eam isnt helping him. Well wouldnt it be better for stakes to drop alil? If his poor college team cant help him win, then hows a poor NFL team gonna help? By falling late in the first round, then maybe he gets picked up by a decent team, on that could use him. IMO, I think it would do his career good to drop 10 spots. Im a HUGE Detroit fan, and I feel sorry for Harrington. If he would have been picked by another team(lets say someone alil better than the Lions) then he wouldnt get raged so much. Mark m words, Joey will be a top starter someday in the NFL.
WHAT? Quinn too short?!? 6'4" is NOT too short, it's actually perfect size.
Browns will NOT draft Quinn, he has no chance with this offensive line and a bad rb. Romeo also needs players to make an immediate impact if he likes his job. Rookie QB's don't start from day 1, and they always struggle in their first season (Roethlisberger and Rivers excluded)
I see no reason to say that Quinn's stock is falling. I also see no reason to say that it is staying. I could see him going to Miami at #9, or Houston at #10. He's not a top 5 pick, unless Detroit wants to take another chance at a QB in the top 5, but he should probably go top 10. Carolina at 14 is another option if he falls.
Every year, a good player slides. Aaron Rodgers was talked about as being a possible #1 pick. Where did he end up? 24th? Matt Leinart. Almost a guarenteed 1/2 pick (depending on Bush), but he slid down to #10, and Leinart was a better college QB than Quinn was.
No one can predict these things. Let's just wait until draft day and see what happens.
He has had a lot of glorious victories against powerhouse teams like Army and Navy. My favorite part of his game is his telegraphing roundhouse release. He fits the current Notre Dame identity perfectly, since he has been given far more credit than he deserves. He's like the Lenny Kravitz of college football. All hat, no cattle. It is just a poor crop of QBs this year, and whoever drafts him high will pay an exhorbidant price for an average player ala Alex Smith.
Quinn is a fraud, I mean just look at him when the game is on the line. He chokes faster than anyone I've seen before. I put money on the irish, and HE failed me. I would say that he has almost hit his maximum upside, maybe he can pull it together.
Russell can't run like V Young so quit thinking he is the next V young. He is more like Leftwich, big arm, slow feet and mind.
The Lions, Browns and Texans would be crazy not to take Quinn. Kitna isn't the long term answer in Detroit. I do think a year of sitting and learning from Kitna like Carson Palmer did would be very beneficial. Plus I think taking what he learned from Weis and adding Mike Martz's teachings will also help him. I think the Browns could definitely use Quinn too. Charlie Frye is a backup at best. They have some good young weapons in Winslow and Edwards. They need a legitimate franchise QB if they are going to right the ship. Houston is going to trade or cut Carr and probably bring in Jake Plummer. I don't think Plummer is consistent and he's been around for 10 years. He is what he is (and that's not anything to write home about). Why replace Carr with some re-tread when you can get someone who is young and can take his place long term? Quinn's the most NFL ready QB available in the draft. I definitely don't think he's a fraud. I think if he doesn't go in the top five, there are going to be teams that wish they had taken him a few years from now. I'm a Pats fan, so I just hope he doesn't slip to the Dolphins at #9.
6'4, 230 lbs., 4.7 40...too short, too slow, and too weak huh? I love when people who don't know what they're talking about try to critique these kids. Physically, Quinn is the prototype quarterback. The only question is his ability to mentally adapt to the pro game. He's already shown he can digest a pro style playbook. And Charlie Weis' offense is far from quarterback friendly. Also, when you consider that the offense Notre dame ran called for him to succeed from the pocket, it's an even greater tribute to Quinn because I don't believe a quarterback with his athletic ability, playing behind such a poor line can usually succeed from the pocket. Up to this point, Quinn has been as good as advertised and he's just gotten better every year. He CAN succeed in the NFL but there's nothing to say he WILL. We've all seen guys go into the league with all the ability in the world who end up falling flat on their faces because mentally they just can't hack it. Quinn certainly looks like he can, but then so did Andrew Walter. I played college football against some really good quarterbacks, some who are still playing and a lot who aren't. Quinn reminds me a lot of those guys who are still playing and Russell reminds me a lot of those guys who are sittng at home watchign along with the rest of us, but in all honesty there's no real way to tell at this point. just make an HONEST evaluation of the guy and wait and see what happens. I don't care if you're the biggest LSU fan ever, be serious, has JaMarcus Russell really done enough to warrent being the #1 pick. and don't feed me any line about him being a great athlete at the quarterback positon because the guy averaed less than 3 yards per rush. To me, he's a late first rounder at the most. And what's funny is that before the bowl game there weren't a whole lot of people who would have had him even that high. Amen!
As far as it not helping Brady Quinn going to a bad team, I think you guys have it a bit twisted. that bad team would be paying him millions of dollars to make them a GOOD team. You think anyone really wanted to go to Cincinatti before Palmer showed up? No, they're good because of him. as a quarterback, I would think a place like Oakland would be an ideal situation. they're obviously looking to build the franchise around the guy. Where better to create a legacy...
.....and after all this what the heck do we know? We speculate all this every year and usually we are WRONG!!!
I for one hold Quinn in high regard, but I've always wondered how much of his success has been Weis being his Coach. So it may all depend on where he ends up going, Oakland and Kiffen are an unknown, Detroit and Martz might be a good fit, I mean look what he did with less heralded OB's. But almost anywhere he ends up is going to be a downgrade from Weis.
Also How many Big College Games did Peyton Manning Win????
I believe that Brady Quinn will be a superb NFL quarterback. Its funny how people talk smack about him when referring to games he played against good defenses. Good defenses usually do a good job putting pressure on the quarterback and covering receivers. If the line doesn't block and the receivers don't get open...it's kind of hard to have a great game.
Brady Quinn has all of the tools to succeed in the NFL. Size, Arm, Composure, and he was coached by Charlie Weis.
We'll all have to just wait and see.
I'm not a huge ND fan but give me a break, Brady Quinn is definately better than Jamarcus Russel for a number of reasons. Russell has no work ethic and scouts have already attested to that: he doesn't prepare for games. Tell me how you think that'll work out in the pros... Look at the Peyton Mannings (And yes, the Tom Brady's...but the Colts have a ring too now) of the NFL, the hit the books hard and are constantly studying up on the game and as a result they are hands down the two best QB's in the game right now, and you think that all it takes is talent? Talk to me in a couple years when Jamarcus Russell is sitting in an apartment after being cut from the last team in the CFL.
He's not a good decision maker, even though he's had his shining moments, an NFL season is 16 60 minute games unless I'm missing something, and in a the pros, being inconsistantly great isn't going to cut it. Quinn won't be a starter off the bat, but my bet is he'll move into the upper ranks of active quarterbacks in a few years. Jamarcus Russell is a definate bust
Quinn is not overrated he should be the top pick in the draft, but that doesn't mean Al Davis will take him. I remember this same argument a few years ago when it was Ryan Leaf or Peyton Manning. It was about the same discussion then Leaf has the physical ability with the big arm and size and Manning is polished and comes from great tradition and the only knock against Manning was that he couldn't win the big games. Well, he just one a Super Bowl and has set how many records; I think Quinn is going to be a great qb maybe not Peyton Manning great but great. He will struggle for a year or two, but it will be more because he has a bad team around him not because he isn't good. In the next 3 to 5 years Brady Quinn will become one of the elite qbs in the league.
The Raiders are idiots if they take Russell over Quinn. Mark my words on this one
Brady Quinn is an ordinary quarterback, he can beat up on crappy teams, but struggles badly versus top-notch opponents. What's going to happen when u throw the Pats, Ravens, and all the other great defenses across the field. Brady is gona choke, just like against Michigan, USC, and LSU
I was expecting this slide to happen when all the hype and ND love dissipated, following another disappointing season. Quinn took advantage of an offense tailored to him, couched by a pro guy in Weiss, complemented by a couple playmakers at receiver and a baby soft schedule that allowed him to pad his stats. Whoever gets him better take him as klate as possible and let him watch a couple years - he ain't no JaMarcus Russell.
I think Quinn is one of the greatest. He had a decent team backing him up but they collapsed and depended on him too much especially in big games (i.e. LSU, USC) I Think he should be a top pick. I think he was better than TRoy Smith, he should get farther in the NFL. However, I think Russell will go first if its the Raiders because they want a kid like him, its that mentality. And if Troy Smith goes in the first round, it will be to Clevland, his home town. Quinn should still be in the top 5 and I support him 100%. He deserves ti be up there and I bet he will get farther in the NFL.
Quinn is average at best. He made lots of bonehead plays in college and reminds me of Rex Grossman when facing good defenses (the bad grossman, not the september one)
Brady Quinn CHOKED against LSU, USC, and Michigan? Are you serious bro? go back, watch the games again and THEN come back and comment. Poor disgruntled ND fans...
I feel your pain, i really do. But don't take it out on Quinn...he's the reason you guys filded even a half way decent team.
I hope the scouts continue to give him poor reviews while Randy Mueller and Cam Cameron decide for themselves if Quinn has what it takes and if they decide he does the Dolphins can finally get their Franchise Rookie QB. The 1st QB taken in the 1st round since Dan Marino.
Brady quinn is 100% joke... He never did anything to stand out, or be viewed as incredible, other than going to be qb at Beloved Notre Dame... other than that he has nothing, if he was at houston like Calvin Kolb was he would be a late 3rd easy... trust me fellas don't waist ur high pick on Quinn.
I think that Brady Quinn should be a very high draft pick. He is an NFL style quarterback with great size and a good arm. I think he should be drafted by the Lions or the Browns.He would do nicely on either of those teams. In my opinion he is the second best quaterback coming out of the draft behind Jemarcus Russell. Quinn should of gotten the heisman. Troy Smith won't last a day in the NFL
Look at the Sugar Bowl. Quinn was going up against one of the best defenses in college football in LSU and Russell was throwing against a junior college level defense of Notre Dame - and Quinn did almost as well as JaMarcus.
Brady Quinn is without a doubt the best QB in the draft and maybe the best overall player in the draft (aside from Calvin Johnson). The Raiders WILL take Russell w/ pick #1, but only because Al Davis loves physical freaks with strong arms. Russell is both.
I can see the Lions opting to take Joe Thomas, but I can't see Quinn falling farther than 3rd. If the Browns pass on Quinn when they have Charlie Frye throwing for them, they'll have to start paying people to come to games.
Quinn will be a decent, not great NFL QB. He showed a lot of Drew Bledsoe like tendencies in the big games. He held onto the ball too long and took bad sacks or threw bad interceptions when under pressure. He will need to get rid of the ball quicker in the NFL. He also displayed an attitude problem when he was overmatched in the USC game. If he goes to a bad team like Oakland every game will be like the USC game for a while. He doesn't need to have a Leaf quality meltdown. He compares favorably to Chris Sims (very similar college careers, particularly big game performances). He could be good in the right situation (Big Ben) or bad in the wrong situation (Joey Harrington).
I need to comment here. Russell is NOT in Brady Quinn's league - Russell is too heavy, mentally he won't be able to handle the reads after the snap...what good is an arm if there are a cluster of DB when the ball gets there? Quinn, on the other hand, is a perfectionist...he HATES losing & will work to be the best he can be...if anything, THAT is what works against him...it makes him tight & causes him to try TOO hard to win. Like one of the early blogs, I agree that Quinn needs to go to a team with an accomplished QB & spend a year or so learning the ropes in a "mentor" situation...THAT will guarantee his success in the long run. My predictions -GB or Miami - why Green Bay? Farve will retire & the kid they took last year is NOT the best...so, you heard it here first!
Let me add to my previous comment by saying that I believe the Green Bay will TRADE UP to take Quinn.
I think Brady Quinn could pan out as an NFL QB. I don't think he's worthy of being the top QB though. Jamarcus Russell IS the #1 QB out there and he is more than just a strong arm. If you've seen him play much you'd know he can throw it in tight spaces perfectly and he's a pretty good decision maker most of the time. Noone is all the time. He'll go in the 1st round but don't be surprised if he falls out of the top 15.
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If Brady Quinn had been quarterback at any school other than Notre Dame, he wouldn't be getting a second thought as a first-round pick. He's riding the coattails of the Four Horseman and sopping himself in the drool of the Irish sycophants like Beano Cook, but reality is proving him to be just another Notre Dame fraud...geez, what a shock.
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