Falcons and Texans jockeying for Browns' pick
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is reporting that both the Atlanta Falcons and Houston Texans are interested in the Browns third overall draft choice. The Falcons want Calvin Johnson and the Texans are after Adrian Peterson.
Apparently, the Browns would want Matt Schaub, the 10th pick overall, and a first rounder in 2008 from the Falcons. The Texans have Carr, the 8th pick overall, and additional picks to offer.
Apparently, the Browns would want Matt Schaub, the 10th pick overall, and a first rounder in 2008 from the Falcons. The Texans have Carr, the 8th pick overall, and additional picks to offer.
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I think the Texans have the upper hand with Carr over Schaub. Thid probably won't happen
if the browns are serious about getting adrian peterson, they won't care about houston's offer (though they should with charlie frye their best qb option right now)...the trade that makes the most sense for both teams is the vikings trading #7 and another pick or two for the #3 because once you get past #3, peterson is virtually assured to drop to 7, barring a big trade with one of the teams in 4-5-6
As a Browns fan, I would love to have AP or JT, but to move back and get more picks for this year and atleast a 1st Round pick next year would do wonders for our building process.
Hopefully neither Carr or Shaub would end up in the trades, and we could end up with extra picks in there spots. The more picks we have to utilize in this building process, the better.
The Cleveland Browns are in a great situation with their current pick. The can sit twhere they are and draft the best RB in the draft (Adrian Peterson) they can trade down to the texans for their pick and someone like Dominack Williams (Davis) and stock up on some picks also they can trade to the falcons and get their QB (Matt Shaub)
If i were the browns i would stick where they were at and draft AP in the 1st Anthony Gonzales in the 2nd and Tory smith in the 3rd
if the browns do not get ad i will go crazy. i mean ok they get a qb tht has yet to prove that he can do something and a 8th or 11th pick but who do take there. i just think the browns should take the playmaker and build around him.
That trade with the Falcons would be simply amazing for the Browns.
I'm a supporter of Frye, and even I wouldn't mind Matt Schaub.
this would be the play of the year if the falcons could get to calvin... Vick would rip through teams next year if he had talkent like calvins on his team! wise move falcons wise move!
This is assuming the Raiders don't take Johnson 1st. Take the Texans deal and take an Alan Branch, Okoye, or even Levi Brown.
I personally think that the browns won't give away their pick to anyone.
Could be a great deal for the browns with Atlanta. A starting quarterback to replace the Frye Anderson duo would be an instant upgrade. With the 10th selection the Browns would be able to land Levi Brown, Adam Carriker, or Marshawn Lynch, and an outside chance at Alan Branch, Jamaal Anderson, or Gaines Adams. The Browns have so many needs, any of those players is an instant upgrade for them. A first rounder in '08 could be huge giving them 2 first round picks to either trade up or upgrade multiple positions. Should be a no-brainer for the Browns,
i believe it would make most sense if the browns trade their 3rd pick to the falcons for there first rd this year and next year and get an up and coming qb in schaub if you've watched him play hes throw at least for 200 yds and 2 tds evertime he fills in for vick, and with vick in front of him he'll never get his chance. lets face it browns fans our qbs just dont cut it they throw 2x as many ints than tds every year adding schaub would be another step in the right direction.At number 10 we still have a great value pick, if peterson doesn fall to us we can still draft another man with alot of potential, levi brown is a monster, gaines adams is going to be a stud, and possibly alan branch (hopefully) may fall to us theres a lot of different options. Then in the second round we can add someone in the likes of Michael Bush, don't forget he was to be a heisman runner until he got hurt, i still believe he has alot of potential. Plus we'll get another pick in the first rd next year, how does this trade not make sense.
i believe the browns should make a trade with the falcons for schaub and a first rd this year and next year for the 3rd pick. i believe this because the browns will still have a great value pick at 10 while they get schaub and a first rd pick nxt year also. The browns had some of the worst corners in football, they were starting guys that couldn start in the CFL. While at number ten either Leob n Hall, Alan Branch, Levi Brown, or Gaines Adams could fall to us there. All at positions of need that could affect are team immediatley.. Buy adding Schaub we get what i believe a franchise qb in which evertime he filled in for Vick he threw for at least 200 and 2tds. A much better stat than the browns 2 qbs who almost threw 3 ints for every td. and with kellen winslow, braylon edwards, and joe jurivicious all catching passes and the addition of steinbach we would be able to final pass the ball opening holes for reubin droughns. We could even draft Michael Bush in the second round who would easily had been a top 20 pick this year if he hadn't of gotten hurt. Plus we get another first round pic next year, how does this trade not make sense
The Browns should make the trade with Atlanta. Schuab should emerge as the starter. With the 10th pick of the draft, select whoever is still available, in this particular order: (1) Branch, (2) J. Anderson, (3)Lynch, (4) Hall. With the second round pick, grab either Blalock, Grubbs, or Sears. If we don't get Hall (or Revis)with the first-round pick, address the CB position at round three. Don't fall in love with any particular player. AP could be great, but he's far from a sure thing (especially with durability concerns and a weak blocking corps).
Make the trade with the Falcons. Schaub becomes the starter. With the 10th pick, select who's available in this order: (1) Branch, (2) J. Anderson, (3) Lynch, (4) Hall. With the second round, select either Grubbs, Blalock or Sears. If the first round did not yield a CB, address that position in round three. The hunch here is we still have a 1K runner in Droughns with a good O-line. AP could be great, but he could also crumble under the weight of a poor O-line. Let's get tough in the trenches right now and win some ball games!
I would find it hard to believe that the Falcons would give up that much for the 3rd pick in the draft. Although that would be great if we could get that much.
If not, I owuld prefer to deal with the Vikings if they are interested rather than Houston. I am not a big David Carr fan.
If neither happened, I think the Browns would be happy with A. Peterson.
If the browns decide to trade down to 8 or 10 and im all for it if they recieve a first rounder next year, thats the only thing that would make me want to pass up on Calvin Johnson or Adrain Peterson, like it said in another post if we trade with the vikings at 7 peterson should still be there but the vikings don't like to trade up or they would have done it two years ago when they held the 7th and the 18th pick, we took edwards, they made two mistakes in Williamson and udeze. and on a final note for evey ohio state/ cleveland browns fan(me included) the answer to all our problems isn't in drafting an ohio state buckeye in every round of the draft so please quit saying it!
I'm a Browns season ticket holder and I have watched them botch early pick after early pick. If you think it looks bad on draft day, just watch them on the field for years!
I think the only top pick the Browns should get is Thomas! If they can't, then a trade down for extra picks ONLY makes the most sense to me!
No Falcons or Texans, please. We already signed Peek and that was chancy enough!
We have Droughns and a couple of young backs. Run blockers and run stoppers only need apply!
Thanks and Go Browns!
build around a playmaker. perfect example....
chargers draft LT
Gonzo in the 2nd? Troy in the 3rd? Have you ever seen a football game, not played by Ohio State?! Smith will be available late 4th, early 5. The browns dont need a reciever and wouldnt take one that early. And wont take smith because he's not even good enough to be our 4th string QB, He'll just take Lang Campbell's spot in NFL Europe.
Actually I'd rather have Matt Schaub over Carr. Especially since he's coming with 2 #1's.
I predict that The Raiders will draft Adrian Peterson #1.
I think Falcons Should Give The Browns there running back Dunn and Get Peterson because Dunn is getting old but if not that give up there 3rd round pick and QB Matt Shaub and get Calvin Johnson but they should also look at the lions because the lions are willing to trade there 2nd round pick so while there talking to the browns they should also talk to the lions!!!!!!!!
i dont think houston would deal this. kubiak comes from a system that rarely drafts RBs in round 1 and they have enough options there for the running game. plus without carr they will not have a tackling dummy at the QB spot.
If the Texans were smart, they'd let Atlanta make the trade, then let AP fall into their laps at pick 8. They shouldn't get rid of Carr, and certainly shouldn't give up draft picks.
They need to see that AP is theres if Atlanta bites. Hope the Browns get out of the way.
No way should the Browns trade away a chance at Adrian Peterson, unless they believe / know that the Raiders will take him first. This guy is a future NFL Star and would be a perfect fit with the Browns. If they trade this pick away, it's clear that they don't care about winning and they're making the same mistake that the Texans made with Reggie Bush, but peterson will actually have a bigger impact because he'll touch the ball more.
Cleveland, Just dont screw up again!! This is your chance to start to catch up to the rest of the league.
The Browns need to do the Altanta deal if its on the table. This Schaub seems like the real deal. Lets not forget, he was passing to bums in Atlanta and still making it happen. Imagine a guy with that poise hitting up Winslow and Edwards every Sunday. There is a LOT of value at the 10 spot in 07' and we could do wonders with 2 first round picks in 08' (just look at what New England is in line to get this year). And Michael Bush could be around in the second round. That guy is a beast and he runs a 4.46 40. Thats amazing for a big guy. With Schaub, Winslow, Edwards, Steinback and possibly Bentley and Bush - we now have an offense that will intimidate teams for years.
Points to remember: Green Bay was planning to make Charlie Frye the successor to Favre but Cleveland took him first. People like Brady Quinn and say he would have been better if Notre Dame surrounded him with better talent - so why draft him and surround him with second-rate talent again? We've had plenty of QBs who could have won with adequate players around them - stay with Frye and get the best OT in the draft. If he goes #1 or #2, trade our #1 for another team's #1 and #2, then package our two #2's to move into the mid to low first round. Levi Brown from Penn St with the first pick, the best DB with the second. Remember too - Tedd Ginn jr. was all-Ohio in high school as a DB. If he's available with the new second-first round pick, take him as a DB (slash) WR (slash) KR.
Matt Schaub is an interesting prospect in a trade. With the 10th overall pick, the browns would still have a shot at a decent D-lineman. David Carr has taken too much of a beating in Houston and his prospects behind the Browns O-line wouldnt be much better.
All rumors point to the fact that they will stick at #3 and take Petersen. Too bad they couldnt make a deal for Thomas Jones. I would have gladly moved down in the 2nd round in that trade. Their lack of activity on running backs leads to me to conclude they will stand pat at #3.
They spent a fortune on Eric Steinbach so i dont see them going O-line at 3 or 7 or ten. I dont see Carr being an option and would rather have Brady Quinn.
The Falcons aren't going to trade Dunn away to get Peterson. They got a diamond-in-the-rough getting Norwood in the 3rd or 4th round last year. He's the back of the future for Atlanta. I'm a huge Calvin Johnson fan, I wouldn't mind parting ways with Schaub to get the best prospect of the draft in recent history.
Neither of those trades would be attractive to the Browns. At best, you're getting a QB who couldn't shine as a starter on a second-tier NFL team, and a number one choice NEXT YEAR. Both the head coach and GM for the Browns are on very thin ice and must show immediate improvement - ie. wins - THIS YEAR or odds are they'll be fired. The only options that will interest them are ones that will result in immediate, not future, improvements. Frye was good enough to be ticketed as Green Bay's next QB before Cleveland beat them to him in the draft. All he needs is a quality line, a running back who consistently gains 100+ yards a game, and reliable receivers - (grow up Edwards and Winslow - watch Jurevicious and learn how a real pro performs). Joe Thomas if he's available, else trade down a few spots and take Levi Brown for O-line. Then package the extra pick from trading down, along with their second round pick, move back into the first round, and get a quality d-back. With addition of Steinbach and return of Tucker, and Levi Brown, Frye will be fine.
Next biggest need is someone to defend against long passes on third-and-long -- that has killed the Browns more than any other failure for the past four years. (Third and ten = fifteen yard pass; third and fifteen = eighteen yard pass. What could be more demoralizing to a team?) Get someone who can break up the long pass and watch the defense come to life!
Trade Micheal Vick strait up for the 3rd round pick with Cleveland, take Calvin Johnson and give Schaub the starting role. I can just see another Brett Farve mistake in the works.
The Browns definitely need to trade down, and neither the Texans nor the Falcons make that much sense. Schaub is overrated, and won't be able to anything behind the Brown's O-Line. Ditto for Carr. It'll just be Houston all over again. If possible, the Browns should try and convince Minnesota Calvin Johnson is the shit and convince them to trade up to third. No one will take Peterson until after the Vikings pick, so he'll be there when the Browns pick 7th. Hell, if Peterson's gone for some unforseen reason, Alan Branch, Gaines Adams, or Okoye will all still be available. Who knows, Teddy Ginn said he loves Cleveland and wants to play for them so the Browns may take him. Whatever happens, they need to get more picks because they have so many holes to fill.
Browns owner says his preference in the draft is JaMarcus Russell. Forget that - he'll never make it to #3. Quinn has an inside with Romeo but QB isn't the Browns' greatest need. They can win with Frye, given a quality line and stud running back. With the present line and running attack, no QB is going to win consistently. Drafting another QB is like painting over structural defects - might look good at first but in the end will be the same old story of: "He would have been great if he had a better line and running back." We have to stop singing that song!
First choice has to be Joe Thomas if he's available. With Steinbach and return of Tucker, that will make a respectable line Frye can operate behind.
If Thomas is gone, Adrian Peterson will be the RB that Droughns teased at being but tapered off after getting a big contract. (OK, and injured too...)
If both Thomas and Peterson are gone at 3, that means Russell would be available (see owner's preference above) but that's not going to happen.
Next biggest need after giving Frye a reasonable offense to operate is a stud pass-defending d-back who can break up the third-and-long passes that previous comments have mentioned. They KILL us time after time! Ted Ginn is an interesting idea for that as a "slash" player but he's not going to be taken at number 3 and it will take some real creativity on Cleveland's part to get a second pick in the first round high enough to get him - but I'd love to see it. If not him, one of the other pure pass defenders - LaRon Landry from LSU, Reggie Nelson of Florida, or Leon Hall from (sorry) Michigan.
I forgot Green Bay had planned to draft Charlie Frye before we got him. Good point! It's not just us who say he can win with the right players around him. Cleveland fans have to be smart and get over the knee-jerk "get a new QB and our problems will be solved" attitude. Richard Petty wouldn't win many races driving a slow Buick. Bart Starr, Dan Marino, Otto Graham, or John Elway couldn't win with the team Frye's been trying to lead. Fix what's wrong this time!
*~Listen Close~*. Now I am a Bengals fan , but my Dad is a Browns fan. We have come to the conclusion that CLE needs to DRAFT Calvin Johnson. Wait now. TRADE Braylon Edwards , I know he would draw plenty of interest , Maybe ATL. You want AP ? SIGN FA RB Chris Brown or Dominic Rhodes.
Now you have UPgraded the WR pos. , picked up a solid RB , and got rid of a team cancer.
Calvin J. = Great Hands , 4.4 speed @ 6'5 . SCARY , for opposing DB's. You can thank me for Saving your team. I should have a FO job. ;] WHO DEY ! ps - Gonna miss you B-Sim.
Raiders will take CJ at #1. Moss stays and you all watch out next year, they both get over 1000 yards receiving and 10+ tds each, every team in the AFC west sucks and is dead.
The best thing the browns can do right now is to hype up players that other teams would want. Get the most out of the pick as possible. If the browns trade down with atlanta and land another #1 in 2008, it would be huge for the franchise. If they make the trade with atl. then at #10 they should still draft on the offensive side of the ball with that pick. Levi Brown there would be a huge upgrade with the addition of Steinbach. This would solidfy the browns woes up front and make them at least competitive with other teams. The Browns biggest problem within their own division is their weak offensive and defensive lines. Their offensive line has been garbage for years. I know the defense side of the line needs addressed as well, but with all of Crennels defensive savvy, he could at least hold the flood gates enough to pull out some high scoring wins. Lets start putting the offense togther. For years the Browns have lost games 17-7. 20-10 because they just haven't had enough offense. We all know that Crennel isn't an offensive guy, but give him all the resources on offense and adequate resources on defense and I think that he will be able to get the job done. Cleveland just needs to get better on the offensive side of the ball and they will become extremely more competitive. If not, at least more exciting to watch.
Before I get started allow me to say that I'm a die hard OSU and Browns. I CANT believe how so many fans continue to write about drafting T. Smith, T. Ginn, etc. I love the tem, but neither of them would do the Browns ANY good. I also am amazed on how our fans only look at the offensive side of the ball... HELLO we all need to stop the run... I like the Atlanta trade because it would sure up the QB spot and allow us two years in a row to address the D-line and O-line... Elias
Big change last night - Browns signed Jamal Lewis from Baltimore. That makes Adrian Peterson less likely for their top pick (and good bye Ruben Droughns).
So ... if Joe Thomas is available, he's still the Browns' choice. If not, then what? They can get Levi Brown - next best OT - at 6 or 7. They don't need a QB if they improve their O-line. They no longer need to use the first pick to improve the running game.
Trade down 3 or 4 spots, get another 2nd round pick in the bargin, and take Levi Brown? Probably the most beneficial option they'd have if they can't get Thomas.
Then package their own 2nd round pick and whatever extra pick they got for moving down, and get the best pass coverage back available.
Those would be the two greatest improvements they can make - in the opinion of this fan who's followed the team since they were playing under Paul Brown 'way back when.
If the browns are considering a blockbuster trade for the 3rd pick, it should include either a premier T/C, the trading partner's first round pick this year, and first round next year. Getting another QB and not being able to protect him is not going to help.
it's time the browns move out of the rebuilding phase/mentality they've been in since 1999.
what we need as a team is not more potential. despite a losing season, last year's team was/is FULL of potential. i don't care what the record says, and i'm not ignorant to it. the team has talent. they need to plug a few holes, not amass talent across the field.
i think giving up this early pick is ridiculous, unless crennel and savage are POSITIVE, not pretty sure, that these needs will be filled.
my best suggestion is to keep frye. he is not perfect, and he may never be favre, but he works hard and is a true athlete. that should be enough to succeed, if surrounded with a great team, including protection.
if he can't make it work once he has protection and a healthy defense, then we work on improving the qb position. until then, we let him lead the offense, now with a better line.
Both Romeo and Phil need positive results in 2007 to satisfy the skeptics.
If you listen to the Jamal Lewis interview, he states that in addition to the Steinbach signing, the Browns intend to improve the O-Line via the draft. I interpret that to mean JT with the third pick. OK, if not the third, then another O-Line if the ytraded down to 7th or 10th.
I read so many comments about the Browns needing a new QB, and several about the "rumor" about trading for Carr or Schaub. Listen closely: The Browns would not be improved with either Carr or Schaub. Their problem is the O-line doesn't give the QB - whoever it is - time to do what he has to do. John Elway wouldn't win behind this line! Conversely, Charlie Frye would win on Elway's old Broncos team. If Frye wasn't good enough, why were the Packers upset when they weren't able to draft him? He's got the skills to impress Green Bay's scouts - it's not just an "Ohio thing" because he played at Akron. With a line that gives him adequate time, a stud running back that will gain over a hundred yards a game consistently, and receivers who play like professionals and don't whine like rich babies when they aren't thrown the ball (which they drop as often as the catch), the Browns' offense will be fine behind Frye (or Derrick Anderson, for that matter).
Replacing the QB will be like putting a new steering wheel on an old bus - it's still not going to perform well.
Listen to the people talk about Notre Dame's Brady Quinn. They say he would have been a superstar for the Irish if he had a better O-line. So ... who's in favor of putting him in Cleveland with an inferior O-line? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Cleveland HAS to improve their O-line, and everything else will follow. If they DON'T, nothing else will change. Plain and simple. Joe Thomas will change that scenario for a decade. If he goes at #2, OK to trade down a little if you're confident you can still get Levi Brown. If you lose both Thomas and Brown, look for a 4-12 season and a new head coach and general manager at the end of the year, regardless of who they end up drafting.
It can't be any plainer than that.
Well, it's March 23rd, and the Falcons deal is a wash, as they have traded Schaub to Houston. Houston seems like they're about to just release Carr, due mostly to a huge bonus they owe him coming up soon.
That would leave just a couple of teams interested in trading up to the 3rd. Interestingly enough, the team that seems most likly to trade up is the one right below the Browns. That's right, the Bucs. Gruden has had a huge man-crush on CJ, and would pull the trigger in a heartbeat if they truly feel the Browns are about to take him.
Phil Savage has been a master drafter these past two years, and I look for him to maximize his position this year. As in 2006, when he made former guru, Raven's Ozzie Newsome, believe there might be a chance the Browns will take Haloti Ngata, and got Baltimore's 6th pick, Savage will work his magic on Gruden.
If not, Savage feels he has nothing to lose, since he can always stand pat & get a great player. What is amazing, is that, according to the Trade Value Chart, the 3rd pick is 400 points more valuable than the 4th. That means Savage could move just one space down for an additional 2nd rd. pick. Not bad at all.
That would give the Browns two 2nd rd. picks, or the ability to use them to move back into the first, and grab OT Joe Staley, who recently ran a 4.8 40 in Central Michigan's recent Pro Day....wow!
Since a lot of trading between the Falcons & Texans, I think the Browns will drop down one to the Bucs for an additional 2nd rd. pick.
They could then grab an extra quality player in the 2nd, or bundle both 2nd rd. picks to trade back up to the middle of the 1st to take a player like Joe Staley, who recently ran a 4.8 40 in his Pro Day. That's a 6-5, 305 OT running faster than most of the LBs in the draft....wow! What a future LT Staley would make for a quickly improving Browns OL.
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