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BBando

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject:

detfan782004 wrote:

UFgators wrote:

Urb is selling him on slow big 10 defenses. Kid will be a Gator, he wants to compete against the best of the best of the best.

Slow Big Ten defenses? Please

Florida defense was horrid.

You must not watch college football then. Being 20th in points against is not bad.
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1King

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject:

BBando wrote:

detfan782004 wrote:

UFgators wrote:

Urb is selling him on slow big 10 defenses. Kid will be a Gator, he wants to compete against the best of the best of the best.

Slow Big Ten defenses? Please

Florida defense was horrid.

You must not watch college football then. Being 20th in points against is not bad.

Fairly certain the slow Big Ten defenses had multiple teams in the top 20 in points against.

Also, people seem to be overlooking the possibility of Diggs going to Maryland.
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BBando

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:18 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

BBando wrote:

detfan782004 wrote:

UFgators wrote:

Urb is selling him on slow big 10 defenses. Kid will be a Gator, he wants to compete against the best of the best of the best.

Slow Big Ten defenses? Please

Florida defense was horrid.

You must not watch college football then. Being 20th in points against is not bad.

Fairly certain the slow Big Ten defenses had multiple teams in the top 20 in points against.

Also, people seem to be overlooking the possibility of Diggs going to Maryland.

I never said a thing about the BIG 10 defenses. He goes off and says the Gators defense was horrid which they were far from.
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I don't recall blaming the officials for any other Thunder loss this season.

detfan782004

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:56 pm Post subject:

BBando wrote:

1King wrote:

BBando wrote:

detfan782004 wrote:

UFgators wrote:

Urb is selling him on slow big 10 defenses. Kid will be a Gator, he wants to compete against the best of the best of the best.

Slow Big Ten defenses? Please

Florida defense was horrid.

You must not watch college football then. Being 20th in points against is not bad.

Fairly certain the slow Big Ten defenses had multiple teams in the top 20 in points against.

Also, people seem to be overlooking the possibility of Diggs going to Maryland.

I never said a thing about the BIG 10 defenses. He goes off and says the Gators defense was horrid which they were far from.

If points against was the only indicator you may have a point but its not
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Blazed-

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
Right now I would say #Florida and #Maryland have best shot at Diggs. #OhioState trailing. #Auburn longshot.

BBando

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 3:40 pm Post subject:

detfan782004 wrote:

BBando wrote:

1King wrote:

BBando wrote:

detfan782004 wrote:

UFgators wrote:

Urb is selling him on slow big 10 defenses. Kid will be a Gator, he wants to compete against the best of the best of the best.

Slow Big Ten defenses? Please

Florida defense was horrid.

You must not watch college football then. Being 20th in points against is not bad.

Fairly certain the slow Big Ten defenses had multiple teams in the top 20 in points against.

Also, people seem to be overlooking the possibility of Diggs going to Maryland.

I never said a thing about the BIG 10 defenses. He goes off and says the Gators defense was horrid which they were far from.

If points against was the only indicator you may have a point but its not

Lol how not. I don't care how many yards you give up. Only points matters. Not style points as in yards.
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1King

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject:

Blazed- wrote:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
Right now I would say #Florida and #Maryland have best shot at Diggs. #OhioState trailing. #Auburn longshot.

@ your ignorant vague statements.

If you are talking about total defense:

#1 Alabama
#2 LSU
#3 South Carolina
#5 Georgia
#8 Florida
#18 Vanderbilt

#6 Michigan State
#7 Illinois
#15 Wisconsin
#17 Michigan
#19 Ohio State
#20 Penn State

Total Defense:
SEC Top 10: 5
BIG Top 10: 2

SEC Top 20: 6
BIG Top 20: 6

If you are talking about Scoring Defense:

#1 Alabama
#2 LSU
#11 South Carolina
#16 Mississippi State
#20 (Tie) Florida

#5 Penn State
#6 Michigan
#10 Michigan State
#13 Wisconsin
#15 Illinois

Scoring Defense:
SEC Top 10: 2
BIG Top 10: 3

SEC Top 20: 5
BIG Top 20: 5

Teams in the top 20 in both total defense and scoring defense:
SEC: 4
BIG: 5

If you are talking about Red Zone defense:

#1 Alabama
#17 Mississippi State
#19 (Tie) Arkansas

#4 Michigan
#14 (Tie) Iowa

Red Zone Defense:
SEC Top 10: 1
BIG Top 10: 1

SEC Top 20: 3
BIG Top 20: 2

Teams in the Top 20 in total defense, scoring defense, and redzone defense:

SEC: 1
BIG: 1

But you are right, the BIG doesn't compare to the SEC in defense, at all.

/Sarcasm

I sure hope you are an Alabama fan (or LSU fan), otherwise you have no reason to talk about anything.
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bigc421

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

Blazed- wrote:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
Right now I would say #Florida and #Maryland have best shot at Diggs. #OhioState trailing. #Auburn longshot.

Big10 offenses as a whole were the worst i've seen in a very long time, that has alot...all to do with it. Im a big10 fan but you really cant compare the two conferences at the moment.

1King

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject:

bigc421 wrote:

1King wrote:

Blazed- wrote:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
Right now I would say #Florida and #Maryland have best shot at Diggs. #OhioState trailing. #Auburn longshot.

Big10 offenses as a whole were the worst i've seen in a very long time, that has alot...all to do with it. Im a big10 fan but you really cant compare the two conferences at the moment.

The bold is just ignorant. I'm not comparing the success of the two conferences, I'm comparing the defenses in the conferences.

The SEC offenses aren't anything to write home about either.

Scoring Offense (Not sure if this includes ST TD's):
#6 Wisconsin
#26 (Tie) Michigan

#15 Arkansas
#17 LSU
#20 Alabama

Edge: SEC

Total Offense:
#14 Wisconsin

#29 Arkansas

Edge: BIG

Red Zone Offense:
#3 Wisconsin
#10 Ohio State

#4 LSU

Edge: BIG

The top defenses nationally are littered with BIG and SEC teams, while the top offenses nationally are littered with Big 12 and Pac 12 teams (I know, nothing shocking here).

In their bowl matchups:
MSU and UGA both scored at least 30 points against each other.

Florida and OSU both struggled offensively, with Florida scoring most of their points via special teams.

South Carolina-NEB is the only game where there was a significant difference, which can be explained, in part, by USCe's advantage on special teams (edge in KR, PR, and kicking).

While one conferences defenses may be better than the other, it certainly is a very valid and close comparison.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:57 pm Post subject:

Blazed- wrote:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

SEC have to dumb down their defenses, so they only have one read, the B1G defenses have extensive playbooks. A lot of SEC players, talk a while to last in the NFL because they are not accostomed to a the larger playbooks. B1G players often don't play early because they have more sophisticated/diverse playbooks. Look over the past 10 years at these so called dominate players from the SEC and why they havn't been much of anything in the NFL, but you always see a player from the B1G in the NFL constantly and will continue to be.
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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject:

bigc421 wrote:

Big10 offenses as a whole were the worst i've seen in a very long time, that has alot...all to do with it.

And the SEC is full of offensive juggernauts?
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detfan782004

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Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject:

1King wrote:

Blazed- wrote:

LoL at big ten defenses thinking their as good as SEC defenses.

Mike Farrell @rivalsmike
Right now I would say #Florida and #Maryland have best shot at Diggs. #OhioState trailing. #Auburn longshot.

Case closed. Nice job.
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DirtyDez

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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject:

One of our insiders said Neal is down to Arizona and Arkansas. Arkansas seems very random for some reason.
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eggybucsfan31

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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:56 pm Post subject:

DirtyDez wrote:

One of our insiders said Neal is down to Arizona and Arkansas. Arkansas seems very random for some reason.

Possibly, but I still think Neal ends up at OSU.
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Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject:

eggybucsfan31 wrote:

DirtyDez wrote:

One of our insiders said Neal is down to Arizona and Arkansas. Arkansas seems very random for some reason.

Possibly, but I still think Neal ends up at OSU.

Sig bet for all eternity that he doesn't.

(FYI: Neal tried to commit to OSU and was rejected.)
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