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spilltray
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: |
Huh? Ever heard of reading into something too much? The Colts are very likely to have a repeat year next season with Luck at the helm. They have way too many holes else where for Luck to over shadow. Manning knows that offense like the back of his hand and would instantly put that team back on the map. ( assuming he's healthy )
I truly believe they want Manning back and he will want to be back. I feel sometimes die hard fan's read into stuff TOO much sometimes and don't take it for what it is. |
Really? New staff, new offense, but Manning knows it like the back of his hand? Even WITH Manning, they aren't going to be relevant for a couple seasons and keeping him slows the rebuilding due to the contract he is still worth.
The decision was already made. Like others have said this is just to make Manning look like the greedy bad guy so the organization doesn't get too much criticism for "running him out of town". I'm guessing the pay cut the Colts would require to keep Manning would be way less than his value on the open market and both sides know that.
New coach, probably a handful of key vets departing, and the #1 pick that will almost certainly be used to get the QB you hope will lead the team for the next 10+ years. It makes no sense for the Colts to keep Manning, or for him to stay in Indy, other than a pretty lame "legacy" argument. |
Peyton has chemistry with most of the guys on that offense, if not all. He is also one smart QB, he will pick up a new system quicker then ANYONE in the NFL. |
There will be significant turnover from what the offensive roster looks like in 2012 and what it looked like in 2010. Also, familiarity with the PLAYERS is not what "knows the offense like the back of his hand" means.
He's starting from square 1 learning the offense, in addition to having to work on rehab. To me that would put him on fairly even ground with Luck, both having to learn the playbook and Luck needing to mesh with the team. By all accounts, Luck is a pretty smart QB as well.
Would he be better? Probably sure. Head and shoulders? I doubt it. You originally were making it sound like it was pure plug and play sticking Manning back in there and that is far from the truth.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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But you're ignoring the fact that if any QB is going to learn a new offensive system in one year the quickest, it's going to be Manning. How did Cam Newton do in his first year in a new system? How about Andy Dalton? Two rookie QBs who have about 1/100th the amount of NFL knowledge and insight that Peyton has.
I get it, you want to win the argument. But IMO you're not. The Colts offense won't be dramatically different personnel wise, like you suggest. Losing one or two WRs does that? I didn't know. Will they get younger in some positions? Sure, but those guys will only benefit from having Manning around. Not the rookie, Luck.
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spilltray
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | But you're ignoring the fact that if any QB is going to learn a new offensive system in one year the quickest, it's going to be Manning. How did Cam Newton do in his first year in a new system? How about Andy Dalton? Two rookie QBs who have about 1/100th the amount of NFL knowledge and insight that Peyton has.
I get it, you want to win the argument. But IMO you're not. The Colts offense won't be dramatically different personnel wise, like you suggest. Losing one or two WRs does that? I didn't know. Will they get younger in some positions? Sure, but those guys will only benefit from having Manning around. Not the rookie, Luck. |
I've already won, you are just changing your argument. Being familiar with the personnel or being able to learn the new offense quicker is not the same thing as "knowing the offense like the back of your hand". I don't think the difference between Luck and Manning getting comfortable would be night and day. The OL is going to be almost completely different and his #1 WR is likely going to be gone. This isn't Manning sliding in to the exact same situation like you originally were making it sound.
Also, Dalton and Newton are bad examples. Luck already has been playing in a pro style offense. Dalton and Newton didn't. They also transitioned fairly quickly.
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bigtxattitude
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Any news on Peyton Manning yet? Is he gonna be cut or what?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Still no word on Peyton. Still no news on what's gonna happen on March 3rd.
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ovaw8lover
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| Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Well it appears from reports that Manning is leaning towards leaving. I hear Miami is his preferred destination. I am ok with that as long they draft a QB in the first. Tanneyhill can be the Fins selection in the first round.
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bigtxattitude
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Oh great. Florida, the retirement state. That's where our country's seniors go to retire. Its a joke. I know Manning isn't a senior. No offense intended. As a former Dolphins fan, I'd welcome Manning playing for the Dolphins.
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| bigtxattitude wrote: | | Oh great. Florida, the retirement state. That's where our country's seniors go to retire. Its a joke. I know Manning isn't a senior. No offense intended. As a former Dolphins fan, I'd welcome Manning playing for the Dolphins. |
If the biggest complaint about florida is thats where people want to live.. thats cool with me. Living there for 15 years id say its the party state.
But back on topic.. thats all im seeing on ESPN now is Peyton to Miami.. Not sure how i feel about this yet if it plays out to be true.
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According to ESPN, the owner Irsay and Peyton Manning are talking again. Word is the Colts could release Peyton as early as today.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Regardless of who wants him... the decision on where he wants to play next is up to him.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Irsay is such a tool. If the Colts wanted him back, he'd be back.
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ESPN gives Kansas City a "High" chance of landing Manning. And I don't see any other team that will have interest in him that is a better fit. He'll have Bowe, Baldwin, and Breaston to throw to. And Charles to carry the ball. (Think what you want about Charles's injury, but from every news I hear, he seems to be making a full and speedy recovery. And that's all that I can go off now.)
Along with a defense that is Top 10, in my opinion. I'm not trying to make my team out to be some amazing team, but who are we competing with? The Redskins? The Dolphins seem to be the biggest threat, right now.
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iknowcool
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | Irsay is such a tool. If the Colts wanted him back, he'd be back. |
Not if Manning isn't willing to accept a new contract. Would you really feel comfortable giving someone who is 36 years old and just missed an entire season due to neck surgery $23 million on a team that just went 2-14?
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| iknowcool wrote: | | SaveourSonics wrote: | | Irsay is such a tool. If the Colts wanted him back, he'd be back. |
Not if Manning isn't willing to accept a new contract. Would you really feel comfortable giving someone who is 36 years old and just missed an entire season due to neck surgery $23 million on a team that just went 2-14? |
No, but I'm also willing to bet that Peyton isn't holding them to that. He understands the risk and I'm sure he's willing to renegotiate, but Irsay is probably low-balling him knowing that Luck is coming in.
And Irsay knew about Peyton's neck condition. If he was worried about it he shouldn't have given him a contract like that in the first place. Why do we hold players to the standard of living out the life of the contract but not the team?
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | | No, but I'm also willing to bet that Peyton isn't holding them to that. |
You probably also would have been willing to bet that Brees wouldn't have tried to push the Saints into giving him around $23 million on average for his first three seasons but alas. We have no way of knowing what has been going on in those negotiations and do not know whether or not Manning has agreed to accept a lesser contract or one that isn't going to hand him that much money. We also don't know if Irsay is low balling him or not which is why I think it's unfair to blame any side at this point. We really don't know nothing as hardly anything has really been reported on the situation for awhile now.
| Quote: | | Why do we hold players to the standard of living out the life of the contract but not the team? |
I don't have a problem with players feeling entitled to getting more money, especially if they are playing on their rookie contract. There is no reason for Irsay to feel obligated to pay that much money to a 36 year old quarterback who is coming off multiple neck surgeries for a team with the #1 overall pick.
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