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Big Rob
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| CharlieKelly wrote: | Pretty much guarantees the Chiefs playing mostly Man/Bump-and-Run(which is what we're more suited for) I pray at least.
| Big_Palooka wrote: | | And they what? Routt goes inside where he's hot garbage? |
Why does it have to be Routt that is moved inside? Why not Flowers or Carr?
I think Flowers could be Woodson-esque in the slot. |
If that's the plan, I see that working out well...but Routt doesn't belong anywhere near the slot or zone... |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| RaiderFanSD wrote: | Chiefs got worse IMO, but they were smart about it if they were never going to re-sign Carr anyway
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With more than $52 million of contracts tied up in CBs Brandon Flowers and Stanford Routt, expect KC to let Brandon Carr walk |
That's how I see it. They know Carr is going to leave to go be 'the guy' somewhere else, so they got a back up plan in Routt. They didn't get better, but they protected themselves from getting worse and thin at CB.
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CharlieKelly
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| dante9876 wrote: |
Flowers has problems with guys with speed. Why would you want him in the slot? |
See: LONG Speed, his short area quickness is tops in the league(a hundredth of a second slower then Revis' 10 yard split) so I don't see an issue. |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | RaiderFanSD wrote: | Chiefs got worse IMO, but they were smart about it if they were never going to re-sign Carr anyway
John Clayton@ClaytonESPNReply
With more than $52 million of contracts tied up in CBs Brandon Flowers and Stanford Routt, expect KC to let Brandon Carr walk |
That's how I see it. They know Carr is going to leave to go be 'the guy' somewhere else, so they got a back up plan in Routt. They didn't get better, but they protected themselves from getting worse and thin at CB. |
Why couldn't the Chiefs Tag Carr then trade him? I'm not sure what his value would be, but you could imagine they could get a 2nd rounder (I don't think a first is realistic).
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Carr is probably gone. Hes coming to Oakland 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bpinsky33 wrote: | | Why couldn't the Chiefs Tag Carr then trade him? I'm not sure what his value would be, but you could imagine they could get a 2nd rounder (I don't think a first is realistic). |
I think the league frowns on that. I know I have heard that it is not intended for that. Second, If no team wants to pay that amount (I'd assume near 10 Mill) then the Chiefs are stuck with it.
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| dante9876 wrote: | | CharlieKelly wrote: | Pretty much guarantees the Chiefs playing mostly Man/Bump-and-Run(which is what we're more suited for) I pray at least.
| Big_Palooka wrote: | | And they what? Routt goes inside where he's hot garbage? |
Why does it have to be Routt that is moved inside? Why not Flowers or Carr?
I think Flowers could be Woodson-esque in the slot. |
Flowers has problems with guys with speed. Why would you want him in the slot? |
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Sigh ... Wanted him out of the AFC West. I am a big fan of Routt's. Love his competitve, aggressive nature and I think he is one of the better man coverage CB's in the NFL.
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| SilverNBlackFan wrote: | | Imagine if the Chiefs find a way to resign Brandon Carr. That would be the best CB trio in the league. |
Flowers + Carr + Arenas + Routt. Sick.
I don't expect it to happen though. 
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CharlieKelly
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| skatebeanz wrote: | | bpinsky33 wrote: | | Why couldn't the Chiefs Tag Carr then trade him? I'm not sure what his value would be, but you could imagine they could get a 2nd rounder (I don't think a first is realistic). |
I think the league frowns on that. I know I have heard that it is not intended for that. Second, If no team wants to pay that amount (I'd assume near 10 Mill) then the Chiefs are stuck with it. |
That's exactly what the Patriots did to the Chiefs with Cassel, and Jared Allen left KC in a similar fashion.
From the GM Pioli's presser:
"We are excited that we were able to come to terms with Stanford," General Manager Scott Pioli said. "He is a talented player, and as we have said in the past, we are always looking to add competition at every position year-round. Stanford’s experience and level of play will make him a solid addition to our defense."
Is this eluding to keeping Carr? |
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| CharlieKelly wrote: | | That's exactly what the Patriots did to the Chiefs with Cassel, and Jared Allen left KC in a similar fashion. |
Well then I guess it can't be frowned upon.
I didn't say you are not allowed to. I said it is frowned upon.
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| bpinsky33 wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | | RaiderFanSD wrote: | Chiefs got worse IMO, but they were smart about it if they were never going to re-sign Carr anyway
John Clayton@ClaytonESPNReply
With more than $52 million of contracts tied up in CBs Brandon Flowers and Stanford Routt, expect KC to let Brandon Carr walk |
That's how I see it. They know Carr is going to leave to go be 'the guy' somewhere else, so they got a back up plan in Routt. They didn't get better, but they protected themselves from getting worse and thin at CB. |
Why couldn't the Chiefs Tag Carr then trade him? I'm not sure what his value would be, but you could imagine they could get a 2nd rounder (I don't think a first is realistic). |
And risk losing Bowe? |
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Bad news for teams needing a Receiver...Means they will likely F-Tag Bowe (also rumor that Stevie gets Tagged too).
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Bad news for teams needing a Receiver...Means they will likely F-Tag Bowe (also rumor that Stevie gets Tagged too). |
If both Johnson and Bowe are tagged...that means the asking price for the likes of Vincent Jackson, Mario Manningham, Robert Meachem, DeSean Jackson, Marquis Colston and Reggie Wayne just went up.
Bowe was considered one of the top three FA WRs (Depending on where you'd rank either one of the Jacksons or Wayne) and him being plucked off the market means that the asking price went up for one of the bigger names. Same for Johnson, who stood to make a lot of money on the open market.
I think the interesting money is going to be for Manningham, who is fresh off of one of the most difficult catches on the last drive of the biggest game of his life. He's been productive for the most part, and that grab showed that he can be depended on to make a big play when the game is on the line. Even though he's not the most talented name on the list, he's probably due a bigger deal than more talented players, just because of that play.
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| CharlieKelly wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: |
Flowers has problems with guys with speed. Why would you want him in the slot? |
See: LONG Speed, his short area quickness is tops in the league(a hundredth of a second slower then Revis' 10 yard split) so I don't see an issue. |
Revis has no business playing in the slot, he's much better on the outside. |
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