Top 3 thoughts on this off season going fwd...

[whodatworm23]

Bounty Gate, The Commish & The Hammer...
Why should we care anymore? Sure big Rodge will use us as an example and try to change the culture that is the NFL. No one knows exactly how bad it will be but rest assured we will loose some draft picks, players and coaches alike will be fined and suspended and our owner will get a little lighter in the pocket. Meanwhile, This culture will continue to thrive in this league. Players will just simply learn how to be more discreet about what they do. They'll just get together off the field at each others homes and such and make there side waders there. Quarterbacks across the league will continue to have bounty's on there heads as well as other positional players and NOTHING big Rodge will do or say will change this. This is how this sport and these athletes are, this mentality has been breed into them since the moment they first put on shoulder pads. While some are worst than others and even at times take it too far, its the nature of the personalities of the men playing the sport. Its a violent game played by violent people and if you don’t like or agree with it... Try Golf instead.

Drew Brees... Deserving or Greedy?
Personally, Both I think. Of course Drew has earned every cent that he's asking for, he is arguably the games best player at its most important position. He's done tremendous things for this city and franchise that can never be undervalued. On the flip side, The Saints are justified in my opinion here. They twice offered Brees a contract that would make him the highest paid player in the history of this sport and twice he's declined. I understand Drew wants his money up front. My thinking here is that Drew feels a back loaded contract means that the Saints want him to continue to earn his money while a front loaded one is payment for services rendered.

While some will say, "He was underpaid" during his 6 year 60 million deal he had, the fact is he did outperform his previous contract but had he under performed would he have given some money back? We all know the answer to that question! Was he underpaid? Sure, when compared to other quarterbacks on his level but he was paid to do a job and he was paid handsomely for it. To me this whole back load front load contract squabble going on is because Drew does feel he was underpaid and in a way wants reimbursements up front on this upcoming contract.

Do I believe he deserves the money... Sure but I also think he's extremely greedy for perusing it to be allocated the way he is knowing what it will do to the other players involved and trust me he knows!

Free Agency... The loss of our guys!
Ok, I might be getting ready to take alot of flack for saying this but here it goes. I keep hearing (when it comes to our free agents) the word irreplaceable. This guys irreplaceable, that guys irreplaceable. The truth of the matter is that only one guy is truly irreplaceable in this offense and that's Drew Brees.

Would it hurt to loose Carl Nicks, Marcus Colston and Robert Meachem? Of course it would buy NONE of those guys are irreplaceable! I’m so sick of hearing that phrase about these offensive players! I’ve heard them since Sean Payton arrived here, when Stallworth and eventually Horn were replaced with a 7th round draft choice (Colston) people said those guys were irreplaceable. When Jamal Brown went down and was replaced with a 4th round pick (Bushrod) people said we'd suffer. When Jeff Faine ran off to Tampa he was irreplaceable then his successor Goodwin took a better offer in San Fran we worried until Krutz was picked up in free agency until he was eventually beat out by a undrafted free agent. When Reggie got his feelings hurt and wanted out of town alot of fans though we were undervaluing what Bush brought to the table for this offense, then we brought in Darren Sproles. When Stichcomb was released at the beginning of the 2011 season alot of fans just knew we were in for alot of trouble with Strief as out starting right tackle. When Jermery Shockey was sent packing, SOME fans felt Jimmy Graham just wasn’t quite ready yet.

Starting to get the picture here...

As long as this offense has Payton and Brees it will continue to be a top 5 offense in this league. Will our production fall off a bit, sure but if anything this scheme has shown the ability to make average players seem much better than they really are and that's a tribute to Payton's ability to create mismatches as a play caller and Brees's ability to relate that genius to the field.

Other than Payton and Brees... they are ALL replaceable!

History shows this to be true.

WHODAT
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[Saint-Anger_13]

Agreed, Brees can go either way you look at it. The bounty scandal will blow over I think just has to be given time. (remember Vick and Big Ben?) I can remember 2006 in which everyone player played hard and with heart. I have to say this season has to be the most important for the Saints nation. Do the Saints fold and crack under pressure? OR display the heart and Hope I have come to love from my underdog team? I hope they do not go gently into the night, But RAGE!!! Also i agree with FA history explains it.

[jcvoodoo]

All good points worm:)

Let me caveat on the Brees situation. He's an extremely intellegent guy and knows exactly what he is doing. I do think, however, that he is being swayed just a little by his agent. Does he deserve to be the highest paid player in this wonderful league?? IMO yes... people will debate that but, it is what it is. As for him declining offers, I think alot has to do with Tom Condon in his ear. Perhaps the Saints can balance their offers a little better, but who knows.

Payton is the best coach this organization has seen. True, winning seasons and playoffs started with Jim Mora but Payton is a far better tactician IMO. He is irreplaceable.

Excellent post Mr. Worm:) Hats off to ya
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[whodatworm23]

The Tom Condon comments are very deserving!!!

This guy has always used his current contract to set up his next one. The thing is, as a player when you hire Tom Condon as your agent you are fully aware of this fact.

Drew absoutly knew what Condon was going to do in these negotiations because it's what he hired him to do.
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[lifeinthaboot]

You guys trip me out. You don't want to lose anyone in FA but you don't want to pay your QB who has been underpaid for 3 years. I wish he would have held out after the Super Bowl and got his money, but you guys don't think about that. Pay Colston, Nicks, Harper, Evans.... but not the one piece that makes you a "championship contender" year-in-and-out? Who cares if the best guard in the league blocks for him? Either way, it is all on Brees regardless how the OL is performing. Take $6 mill out of the 8.5 that Nicks was going to get and pay Brees and hope we have some magic left to find a replacement in the draft or FA.

It's his bed, now he has to lay in it. Talking about getting rid of him is Ludacris!


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[jcvoodoo]

With the recent news about Colston and Nicks, Brees's camp should feel alot better if in fact he is the 'team player' he convinced the fans he was/is. With that said, if Colston/Nicks DO re-sign then Brees SHOULD follow suit.

If you recall, my posts have said.... pay the man!

Here's the problem tho: Do you 'pay the man' and run the risk of screwing your championship team up? Is he worth what he's asking for? ABSOLUTELY, but debatable once you throw in the other variables.

Bottom line: Should he get what he deserves? YES Should he screw the team in the process? NO

Tom Condon wants to get the big pay out because of a rampant problem in America. The rich wanna get richer... no matter what.

Agree with me or not... your choice... but that is how I see it!
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