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Frank Costello
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 Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:36 am Post subject: 4 Reasons why the Vikings WILL draft Claiborne. |
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I've been doing some reading around the web and I've seen a few journalist post that we are not as interested in Kalil as everyone believes we are. With the Marshall trade, I have officially put the Claiborne stamp at 3.
It's clear that we're not going to sign a high prized FA, and we simply cannot wait to draft a CB in round 2. We need a guy who has day one impact, Mo does.
I was against drafting Mo for many weeks, some of you will remember. But after yesterdays Marshall trade and the current state of CB unit. This is a move that is looking like a more realistic option every day.
Thoughts?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:39 am Post subject: Re: 4 Reasons why the Vikings WILL draft Claiborne. |
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| Frank Costello wrote: |
I've been doing some reading around the web and I've seen a few journalist post that we are not as interested in Kalil as everyone believes we are. With the Marshall rade, I have officially put the Claiborne stamp at 3.
It's clear that we're not going to sign a high prized FA, and we simply cannot wait to draft a CB in round 2. We need a guy who has day one impact, Mo does.
I was against drafting Mo for many weeks, some of you will remember. But after yesterdays Marshall trade and the current state of CB unit. This is a move that is looking like a more realistic option every day.
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If the Vikings FO passes on Kalil than I will agree with you that they are absolute morons. |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:41 am Post subject: |
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Don't be shocked. Kalil wasn't as dominate last year as most people think he was. Kalil is the 3rd best offensive prospect in the draft.
Mo is the best defensive prospect in the draft. Wouldn't you be upset if we passed on Champ Baily 2.0? Or Revis 2.0?
The Giants didn't win the SB with an elite LT either, but they do have many high draft picks invested in their secondary.
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I've been saying this for months. Teams with deep secondaries are the teams that have been winning and making deep playoff runs lately.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| JDBrocks wrote: | | I've been saying this for months. Teams with deep secondaries are the teams that have been winning and making deep playoff runs lately. |
Well it looks like we can agree on something this morning my man. 
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| JDBrocks wrote: | | I've been saying this for months. Teams with deep secondaries are the teams that have been winning and making deep playoff runs lately. |
Hmmmmm...I respectfully disagree. It's the teams that have the best offensive balance in the playoffs that make deep runs. Offensive balance is attributed to a line that is playing well. |
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CriminalMind
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:48 am Post subject: |
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Yes,
"Round 2 and Round 3" CB guys will be eaten alive and are nothing like Claiborne.
Claiborne can potentially be an elite "pure" shutdown CB in the mold of Champ Baily or Revis. He is a better pure CB then PP, PP carried his value because of his athletic ability that translated into punt return abilities.
I'd take that over an elite LT any day, as an average LT will suffice (when we eventually get one). |
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Vikefan79
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | Yes,
"Round 2 and Round 3" CB guys will be eaten alive and are nothing like Claiborne.
Claiborne can potentially be an elite "pure" shutdown CB in the mold of Champ Baily or Revis. He is a better pure CB then PP, PP carried his value because of his athletic ability that translated into punt return abilities.
I'd take that over an elite LT any day, as an average LT will suffice (when we eventually get one). |
Mike Adams in round 2 perhaps?
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Frank Costello
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I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo.
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The Gnat
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: |
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Nope, the Vikings won't, they run a cover two defense which fortunately or unfortunately allows them not to need to take a shutdown CB, I like Claiborne and would be happy getting him on a trade back, but with Frazier running a cover two, drafting Claiborne isn't likely, no matter how much you like him.
Also, the Giants CB's were drafted in the 20's, not the before 10.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
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CriminalMind
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| Vikefan79 wrote: | | CriminalMind wrote: | Yes,
"Round 2 and Round 3" CB guys will be eaten alive and are nothing like Claiborne.
Claiborne can potentially be an elite "pure" shutdown CB in the mold of Champ Baily or Revis. He is a better pure CB then PP, PP carried his value because of his athletic ability that translated into punt return abilities.
I'd take that over an elite LT any day, as an average LT will suffice (when we eventually get one). |
Mike Adams in round 2 perhaps? |
If Mike Adams is available in round 2 he is an option but there will be other options at other positions. I'm in the minority but at worst, I can live with Charlie, if we're upgrading other positions in the draft.
Thats the thing I've been trying to get at.
The notion of R2/R3 potential prospects should not influence us at the #3 position in the draft. |
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Virginia Viking wrote: | | Frank Costello wrote: | I also want people to understand that Kalil isn't as much of a sure thing as most believe. I take a look at a guy like Da'Brick out in NY. He struggled mightily at times this year, and he was one heck of a prospect.
Give me Mo. |
Ferguson is one of the three best tackles in football!! He struggled, compared to his potential, his rookie season because he was underweight (reportedly he weighed less than 290 lbs.) He bulked up after his rookie year and has been dominant since. |
He struggled at times this year as well. Go ask some Jet fans. Their Line was anything but solid in the first half of the year.
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Frank Costello
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| The Gnat wrote: | Nope, the Vikings won't, they run a cover two defense which fortunately or unfortunately allows them not to need to take a shutdown CB, I like Claiborne and would be happy getting him on a trade back, but with Frazier running a cover two, drafting Claiborne isn't likely, no matter how much you like him.
Also, the Giants CB's were drafted in the 20's, not the before 10. |
My point being, the Giants have multiple first round guys in their secondary. Antrel Rolle and Ross.
Also, our head coach is a former DB. Don't under estimate his value on a shut down CB.
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CriminalMind
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| Frank Costello wrote: | | The Gnat wrote: | Nope, the Vikings won't, they run a cover two defense which fortunately or unfortunately allows them not to need to take a shutdown CB, I like Claiborne and would be happy getting him on a trade back, but with Frazier running a cover two, drafting Claiborne isn't likely, no matter how much you like him.
Also, the Giants CB's were drafted in the 20's, not the before 10. |
My point being, the Giants have multiple first round guys in their secondary. Antrel Rolle and Ross.
Also, our head coach is a former DB. Don't under estimate his value on a shut down CB. |
Having the 3rd worst pass defense ever .... and ppl still think we'll ignore that. Who care where ppl were drafted ... the point is teams that win late in the year have strong secondary's.
Also what of the possibility that Rick knows that Frazier could be on the hot seat, and not even in the coach position next year. Maybe they could think the cover-2 could be just here for one more year. Its the GM job to draft the best players, if the coaches job to make it work with the personel. |
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