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wcblack34
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| this providence wrote: | Funny to see the list. Wonder why those teams are drafting where they are after selecting those tackles where they did...
| wcblack wrote: | | Finally, the lack of interest which you claim would also cast the same exact doubt on Blackmon and Claiborne, because if nobody is calling to trade up, they obviously don't think much of those two either. |
Indeed. Like I've said repeatedly this offseason, this draft is so poor at the top. Especially with the more bandied about players. Would still much prefer to take a difference making player than a tackle, though. Claiborne, Blackmon, Floyd, DeCastro, Brockers, and Coples would all be players I'd take in advance of Kalil. |
Cleveland - Colt McCoy
Tampa - Josh Freeman
St. Louis - Sam Bradford
Jacksonville - Blaine Gabbert
Miami - Matt Moore
Carolina - Cam Newton
Buffalo - Ryan Fitzpatrick
Kansas City - Matt Cassel/Palko
Seattle - T-Jack/Whitehurst
Arizona - Kevin Kolb
Dallas - Tony Romo
Philadelphia - Mike Vick
New York Jets - Mark Sanchez
I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
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Purple Faithful
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | this providence wrote: | Funny to see the list. Wonder why those teams are drafting where they are after selecting those tackles where they did...
| wcblack wrote: | | Finally, the lack of interest which you claim would also cast the same exact doubt on Blackmon and Claiborne, because if nobody is calling to trade up, they obviously don't think much of those two either. |
Indeed. Like I've said repeatedly this offseason, this draft is so poor at the top. Especially with the more bandied about players. Would still much prefer to take a difference making player than a tackle, though. Claiborne, Blackmon, Floyd, DeCastro, Brockers, and Coples would all be players I'd take in advance of Kalil. |
Cleveland - Colt McCoy
Tampa - Josh Freeman
St. Louis - Sam Bradford
Jacksonville - Blaine Gabbert
Miami - Matt Moore
Carolina - Cam Newton
Buffalo - Ryan Fitzpatrick
Kansas City - Matt Cassel/Palko
Seattle - T-Jack/Whitehurst
Arizona - Kevin Kolb
Dallas - Tony Romo
Philadelphia - Mike Vick
New York Jets - Mark Sanchez
I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
Always does, too. Worrying about LT is what losers do.
* oh, I mean loser GM's/organizations. We're just fans, we don't become winners or losers based on our team's success. Sorry if any take my comment as an attack. I didn't mean it as an affront to anyone, but maybe Bill Parcells for forgetting what made him a winner.
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this providence
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
Absolutely. Maybe they should be using high picks on QBs and difference makers instead.  |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | Not really, it speaks more to the needs of the teams within striking distance of the top 5 picks. |
If he was really a once in a decade type of prospect that some claim him to be and LT was really a position that some make it out to be, teams would be chomping at the bit to trade up to get him where ever they are in the draft. Much like Washington moving up for RGIII. And when you consider the Vikings are literally begging to move down and there's been zero interest in the pick, with some even going so far as to wonder if a team would trade up for an average QB prospect like Tannehill at #3, it further reinforces my opinion on the player and position. |
Few people would call Kalil a once in a decade prospect. Maybe twice in a decade?; i.e. two such quality LTs might be available in a decade.
Teams that are within striking distance, which would not have to yield a huge bounty, might be interested. But the Supply-Demand dynamic is that there aren't many such teams close to pick 3 except MN and maybe St.L.
Anything Washington does is not to be considered normal. But in this case, they badly need a QBOTF, which they've missed for several years.
Zero interest in the pick? We won't know for certain until it is made.
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this providence
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Still replying to posts to say nothing at all. Yawn. |
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wcblack34
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
Absolutely. Maybe they should be using high picks on QBs and difference makers instead. |
You mean difference makers like Troy Williamson, Deangelo Hall, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Cedric Benson, Mike Williams, Ted Ginn Jr., Darius Heyward Bey, C.J. Spiller, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Antrell Rolle, Carlos Rogers, and Michael Crabtree?
If you're talking Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, then I agree with you. However, there are no such talents in this draft. |
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PurpleMugen
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
Absolutely. Maybe they should be using high picks on QBs and difference makers instead. |
You mean difference makers like Troy Williamson, Deangelo Hall, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Cedric Benson, Mike Williams, Ted Ginn Jr., Darius Heyward Bey, C.J. Spiller, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Antrell Rolle, Carlos Rogers, and Michael Crabtree?
If you're talking Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, then I agree with you. However, there are no such talents in this draft. |
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Or perhaps he means difference makers like Larry Fitzgerald, Joe Haden, Eric Berry, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Mario Williams, Vernon Davis, Darren McFadden, Matt Ryan, B. J. Raji, Ndamukong Suh and Adrian Peterson.
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| PurpleMugen wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | I'd say that explains a bit more about draft position than who is playing LT. |
Absolutely. Maybe they should be using high picks on QBs and difference makers instead. |
You mean difference makers like Troy Williamson, Deangelo Hall, Reggie Williams, Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, David Terrell, Braylon Edwards, Cedric Benson, Mike Williams, Ted Ginn Jr., Darius Heyward Bey, C.J. Spiller, Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, Antrell Rolle, Carlos Rogers, and Michael Crabtree?
If you're talking Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, A.J. Green, then I agree with you. However, there are no such talents in this draft. |
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Or perhaps he means difference makers like Larry Fitzgerald, Joe Haden, Eric Berry, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Mario Williams, Vernon Davis, Darren McFadden, Matt Ryan, B. J. Raji, Ndamukong Suh and Adrian Peterson. |
Yep. And there are none of those types in this draft, with the possible exception of Claiborne and Richardson. We already have Adrian Peterson, so that makes Richardson obsolete. Claiborne is not a Cover 2 Cornerback, and despite the protests of certain members of this board, there is no evidence that the Vikings will be using less Cover 2. Just gut feelings. A LT like Kalil can play in any blocking scheme. |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | Yep. And there are none of those types in this draft |
A bit grandiose, eh?
I don't like this draft much either but there's absolutely a few guys who likely will be proving many people wrong. |
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wcblack34
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| this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | Yep. And there are none of those types in this draft |
A bit grandiose, eh?
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I think you're stretching to misconstrue what I've written, but I'll clarify.
There are no WR or DT prospects like Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or N-Whats-his-name Suh, where you knew they were Top 5 picks who were very likely to live up to their draft status. You have Blackmon, who is a tad on the short side for a Top 5 WR, and there are questions about whether he can be the deep threat that teams generally look for in a WR who is picked that high. Poe and Brockers have serious questions about whether their immense measurables will translate into success at the next level. I haven't found anyone who has argued that Michael Floyd is a Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, or Julio Jones type prospect.
While many of this year's players may prove everyone wrong, at this point, most seem to feel the top-end talent is 5 deep, maybe 6. |
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I actually feel quite different about this draft class. I believe that this draft class is one of the best over the past 10 years.
Andrew Luck is the best college prospect in the history of the game.
Robert Griffin according to everyone is better than Cam Newton and a Sam Bradford(I actually don't like Griffin)
Matt Kalil who, inn many eyes, is the best left tackle prospect since Orlando Pace.
This cornerback class is unreal, Stephon Gilmore and Robinson would both have gone first round last year.
Many of the people that will be drafted in the second round would have been drafted first round last year.
Justin Blackmon is a much better prospect than Julio Jones with the exception of the height.
Overall many players in this years second round or could have gone 1st round over the past two years. |
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| Flounda wrote: | I actually feel quite different about this draft class. I believe that this draft class is one of the best over the past 10 years.
Andrew Luck is the best college prospect in the history of the game.
Robert Griffin according to everyone is better than Cam Newton and a Sam Bradford(I actually don't like Griffin)
Matt Kalil who, inn many eyes, is the best left tackle prospect since Orlando Pace.
This cornerback class is unreal, Stephon Gilmore and Robinson would both have gone first round last year.
Many of the people that will be drafted in the second round would have been drafted first round last year.
Justin Blackmon is a much better prospect than Julio Jones with the exception of the height.
Overall many players in this years second round or could have gone 1st round over the past two years. |
Agree in bold I do not
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| Flounda wrote: | I actually feel quite different about this draft class. I believe that this draft class is one of the best over the past 10 years.
Andrew Luck is the best college prospect in the history of the game.
Robert Griffin according to everyone is better than Cam Newton and a Sam Bradford(I actually don't like Griffin)
Matt Kalil who, inn many eyes, is the best left tackle prospect since Orlando Pace.
This cornerback class is unreal, Stephon Gilmore and Robinson would both have gone first round last year.
Many of the people that will be drafted in the second round would have been drafted first round last year.
Justin Blackmon is a much better prospect than Julio Jones with the exception of the height.
Overall many players in this years second round or could have gone 1st round over the past two years. |
speed and vertical ball skills, Jones blows Blackmon away. 
Blackmon would be ranked below Julio Jones and AJ Green if they were all in the same class, without debate.
Overall this is a solid class, probably not as good as last year, but still pretty good. The QBs really pull this class up a bit, but last year, there were so many more true impact defensive players in the top 10. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| wcblack34 wrote: | | this providence wrote: | | wcblack34 wrote: | | Yep. And there are none of those types in this draft |
A bit grandiose, eh?
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I think you're stretching to misconstrue what I've written, but I'll clarify.
There are no WR or DT prospects like Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or N-Whats-his-name Suh, where you knew they were Top 5 picks who were very likely to live up to their draft status. You have Blackmon, who is a tad on the short side for a Top 5 WR, and there are questions about whether he can be the deep threat that teams generally look for in a WR who is picked that high. Poe and Brockers have serious questions about whether their immense measurables will translate into success at the next level. I haven't found anyone who has argued that Michael Floyd is a Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, or Julio Jones type prospect.
While many of this year's players may prove everyone wrong, at this point, most seem to feel the top-end talent is 5 deep, maybe 6. |
I don't get the vibe he was "stretching to misconstrue" anything. If this is what you actually meant to write, your initial post is poorly worded. Either way, your point doesn't impress much regardless, since the success of players in the NFL is not tied merely to what 'level of prospect' they are, but rather to a combination of factors like quality of coaching received, degree of support from teammates, etc.
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Oh, I think you guys are not checking out Fletcher Cox. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puY2BKGgX0Q I think he's gonna be a great pass rusher, probably for St. Louis or Carolina. 
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