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DougE14
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Throughout the NCAA Tournament threads this year, I've seen a lot of talk about this guy is the best coach in the nation, no it's this guy, so I ask the question.
Who do you guys feel is the best coach in all of college basketball?
Factor in recruiting, in game adjustments, basically all the aspects that go into being a head coach on the college basketball level.
Also, please try to give a little reasoning as to why you feel the way you do.
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IrishGreen
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factoring in recruiting kind of ruins the point imo. i mean i could be the head coach at north carolina, kentucky, duke, kansas, etc. and pull in top recruits (maybe not as many, but still).
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Coach K or Izzo. Also a fan of Brad Stevens and what he did with so little at Butler.
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If you factor in recruiting it has to be coach Cal, even though I am not a huge fan of his in game coaching.
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Sllim Pickens
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| IrishGreen wrote: | | factoring in recruiting kind of ruins the point imo. i mean i could be the head coach at north carolina, kentucky, duke, kansas, etc. and pull in top recruits (maybe not as many, but still). |
Duke was nothing before Coach K, just as MSU was nothing before Izzo. UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas all have a history that helps recruit, but there have been plenty of coaches that failed at all of them. So it obviously isnt that easy.
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| roger murdock wrote: | | If you factor in recruiting it has to be coach Cal, even though I am not a huge fan of his in game coaching. |
Cal isn't a great recruiter, he's great at looking the other way while other people pay players to go play for him 
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| roger murdock wrote: | | If you factor in recruiting it has to be coach Cal, even though I am not a huge fan of his in game coaching. |
Yup, if we're talking simply X's and O's and developing guys then it's Brad Stevens.
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I think you have to factor in recruiting though, because it's a HUGE part of college basketball.
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| Rearviewmirror wrote: | | I think you have to factor in recruiting though, because it's a HUGE part of college basketball. |
Good point. As coach Cal says - I'll take talent over experience 100% of the time.
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| Sllim Pickens wrote: | | IrishGreen wrote: | | factoring in recruiting kind of ruins the point imo. i mean i could be the head coach at north carolina, kentucky, duke, kansas, etc. and pull in top recruits (maybe not as many, but still). |
Duke was nothing before Coach K, just as MSU was nothing before Izzo. UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas all have a history that helps recruit, but there have been plenty of coaches that failed at all of them. So it obviously isnt that easy. |
so you think if i was hired at any of those top programs tomorrow, i couldn't bring in any top recruits?
also, you think that if i was hired at like belmont, i would bring in the exact same class as if i were head coach at those other schools?
obviously, the coach plays a role somewhat, but there's a lot of other factors in recruiting, which is why i struggle giving a coach all of the credit for bringing guys in.
i mean, if we're factoring recruiting in, it's easily coach cal imo. he's average as hell as far as actual coaching goes though.
hell, if we're factoring in recruiting, roy williams is probably top 5, and he's a moron in-game.
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| candyman93 wrote: | | roger murdock wrote: | | If you factor in recruiting it has to be coach Cal, even though I am not a huge fan of his in game coaching. |
Yup, if we're talking simply X's and O's and developing guys then it's Brad Stevens. |
Brad Stevens. My man. I loved watching him and Butler in the NCAA Tourney except this year since I didn't have a tv to watch even if they got in. I'm sure we'll see him back soon. Really wished Hayward's shot went in; he's one of my favorite players.
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| Rearviewmirror wrote: | | I think you have to factor in recruiting though, because it's a HUGE part of college basketball. |
how do you quantify how much of that is as a result of a coach though?
pretty hard to determine that at extremely prestigious basketball schools.
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Izzo or K for me.
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| IrishGreen wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | IrishGreen wrote: | | factoring in recruiting kind of ruins the point imo. i mean i could be the head coach at north carolina, kentucky, duke, kansas, etc. and pull in top recruits (maybe not as many, but still). |
Duke was nothing before Coach K, just as MSU was nothing before Izzo. UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas all have a history that helps recruit, but there have been plenty of coaches that failed at all of them. So it obviously isnt that easy. |
so you think if i was hired at any of those top programs tomorrow, i couldn't bring in any top recruits?
also, you think that if i was hired at like belmont, i would bring in the exact same class as if i were head coach at those other schools?
obviously, the coach plays a role somewhat, but there's a lot of other factors in recruiting, which is why i struggle giving a coach all of the credit for bringing guys in.
i mean, if we're factoring recruiting in, it's easily coach cal imo. he's average as hell as far as actual coaching goes though.
hell, if we're factoring in recruiting, roy williams is probably top 5, and he's a moron in-game. |
Well that's what brings Williams down is his in game coaching. That's why it's tough to find the perfect balance.
I factored in recruiting because it is a major part of being a coach.
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| IrishGreen wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | IrishGreen wrote: | | factoring in recruiting kind of ruins the point imo. i mean i could be the head coach at north carolina, kentucky, duke, kansas, etc. and pull in top recruits (maybe not as many, but still). |
Duke was nothing before Coach K, just as MSU was nothing before Izzo. UNC, Kentucky, and Kansas all have a history that helps recruit, but there have been plenty of coaches that failed at all of them. So it obviously isnt that easy. |
so you think if i was hired at any of those top programs tomorrow, i couldn't bring in any top recruits?
also, you think that if i was hired at like belmont, i would bring in the exact same class as if i were head coach at those other schools?
obviously, the coach plays a role somewhat, but there's a lot of other factors in recruiting, which is why i struggle giving a coach all of the credit for bringing guys in.
i mean, if we're factoring recruiting in, it's easily coach cal imo. he's average as hell as far as actual coaching goes though.
hell, if we're factoring in recruiting, roy williams is probably top 5, and he's a moron in-game. |
Lets see, Kentucky didnt get the recruits with Gillespe, and I am sure he has more credability than you would walking into a recruits house. The coach still plays a big role considering Cal got guys to go to Umass and Memphis and now Kentucky just makes it that much easier. I would say the school assists the coach more than the coach assisting the school in recruiting.
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