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elwayfan07
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| howie102 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | howie102 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | paul-mac wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | I remember seeing they really like B J Coleman but IDK if they had him for a visit |
Judging by the guys they're showing interest in, it looks like they want a big guy with a strong arm and a high ceiling.
Guys I can see us going after are Osweiler, Coleman, Foles, Lindley.
One thing I will say is I don't want us spending more than a 4th on a QB.
Luck - 1
RG3 - 2
Tannehill - Somewhere in the top 10
Weeden - Probably either Cleveland or Miami in the second. Whoever doesn't get Tannehill.
After that, who is going to spend a day one or two pick on a QB?
I can see guys like Cousins and Osweiler taking a surprising fall. |
I agree. Denver is doing the right thing in being proactive. They know that Manning is only a 2-3 year fix. Therefore, they are finding a guy now to develop. I think Coleman or even a guy like Aaron Corp, from RIchmond are some small school guys they could look at |
"Develop"? I still don't get this. At all.
An honest question here; why would we "waste" a 4th round pick on a player who will see nigh-on nothing in the way of snaps. Peyton will be having his fill, leaving few crumbs for anyone else. Such is life.
Why can't we simply build a solid team around Peyton, have the pieces in place, allowing us to draft a 1st/2nd round QB the year that Peyton rides off into the sunset? Why do we always need to be groomnig an understudy? Didn't work out too well like that over in Indy, did it? |
I think the big issue is you don't want to end up in the situation that Minnesota and Cincinnati ended up in last season.
Basically their QB retired and neither of them had anything so they HAD to draft a QB.
Obviously the Bengals found a gem in the second with Andy Dalton but the Vikings front office are now tied to Christian Ponder who will never be more than an average NFL QB.
At least if you've got somebody there it may make the transition a lot easier.
Heck look at Green Bay the Favre > Rodgers transition was practically effortless. It only took one bad season and that wasn't even down to Aaron Rodgers, and they've made the playoffs 3 years in a row, 2 division titles, a 15-1 season and a Lombardi trophy. |
Rogers was a QB who was, in some quarters (I believe), talked about as a No.1 pick, was he not? Not a great comparison, unless you're all for us picking a QB in the first round? Wasn't the developmental pick that we'd be after.
And would a developmental QB - one with, as his draft status would suggest, a weaknes or two in his game - get the reps that would actually help him develop? Honest questions, chaps. |
Well it comes down to the mentality of the team. If they are grabbing him to develop then they will make that a priority. It is on the team managmenet to make it a priority
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iLikeDefense
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| PGeorge2 wrote: | I'm not really on either side of the whether a QB should sit or start right away argument. However, if I were to guess, I'd say the majority of the starting Qb's in the league are guys who were drafted high and started right away. Guys like Matt Schaub and Tom Brady are the exception. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees don't really fit in guys who needed to sit because both were expected to be drafted much higher than they were.
But most of the other guys were selected high and started quickly. Both Mannings, Rivers, Stafford, Vick, Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman, Newton, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler and Roethlisberger.
Drafting a guy in the 6th round and letting him sit and hoping he develops is a pipe dream. That is not how it works. The guy is a 6th round pick for a reason.
Taking a guy like Tannehil to sit for a couple of years is a hell of a lot different than taking a BJ Coleman or Lindley. |
Rivers sat for 2 years, which I really think helped him a lot, so he didn't quite start quickly. His biggest flaw during those 2 years were handling snaps and the drop back.
But I agree with you about the 6th round QB being a pipe dream.
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PGeorge2
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| iLikeDefense wrote: | | PGeorge2 wrote: | I'm not really on either side of the whether a QB should sit or start right away argument. However, if I were to guess, I'd say the majority of the starting Qb's in the league are guys who were drafted high and started right away. Guys like Matt Schaub and Tom Brady are the exception. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees don't really fit in guys who needed to sit because both were expected to be drafted much higher than they were.
But most of the other guys were selected high and started quickly. Both Mannings, Rivers, Stafford, Vick, Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman, Newton, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler and Roethlisberger.
Drafting a guy in the 6th round and letting him sit and hoping he develops is a pipe dream. That is not how it works. The guy is a 6th round pick for a reason.
Taking a guy like Tannehil to sit for a couple of years is a hell of a lot different than taking a BJ Coleman or Lindley. |
Rivers sat for 2 years, which I really think helped him a lot, so he didn't quite start quickly. His biggest flaw during those 2 years were handling snaps and the drop back.
But I agree with you about the 6th round QB being a pipe dream. |
Well he is 1 of 13 in my example. The other 12 guys started early. The point is, good starting QB's are taken early in the draft. If getting a guy in the 5th or 6th round and developing him was easy, everyone would be doing it and everyone would always have their next guy waiting to take over. That ins't reality.
The next great starting QB of the Denver Broncos is more than likely sitting in high school right now (if Peyton plays 3-4 years.) Hopefully by the time Peyton is done we will be a well rounded team and able to take a guy in the first round and let him sit for Peytons final season and then give him the gig.
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iLikeDefense
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| PGeorge2 wrote: | | iLikeDefense wrote: | | PGeorge2 wrote: | I'm not really on either side of the whether a QB should sit or start right away argument. However, if I were to guess, I'd say the majority of the starting Qb's in the league are guys who were drafted high and started right away. Guys like Matt Schaub and Tom Brady are the exception. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees don't really fit in guys who needed to sit because both were expected to be drafted much higher than they were.
But most of the other guys were selected high and started quickly. Both Mannings, Rivers, Stafford, Vick, Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman, Newton, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler and Roethlisberger.
Drafting a guy in the 6th round and letting him sit and hoping he develops is a pipe dream. That is not how it works. The guy is a 6th round pick for a reason.
Taking a guy like Tannehil to sit for a couple of years is a hell of a lot different than taking a BJ Coleman or Lindley. |
Rivers sat for 2 years, which I really think helped him a lot, so he didn't quite start quickly. His biggest flaw during those 2 years were handling snaps and the drop back.
But I agree with you about the 6th round QB being a pipe dream. |
Well he is 1 of 13 in my example. The other 12 guys started early. The point is, good starting QB's are taken early in the draft. If getting a guy in the 5th or 6th round and developing him was easy, everyone would be doing it and everyone would always have their next guy waiting to take over. That ins't reality.
The next great starting QB of the Denver Broncos is more than likely sitting in high school right now (if Peyton plays 3-4 years.) Hopefully by the time Peyton is done we will be a well rounded team and able to take a guy in the first round and let him sit for Peytons final season and then give him the gig. |
Oh no doubt, I was just pointing out that Rivers was the only one on that list that didn't start quickly and he benefitted from it. Perhaps you may be right about our future Qb, I hope Peyton plays that long and has us in contention, I wouldn't want it any other way.
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germ-x
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| lomaxgr wrote: | Just for the record - you are probably best off stating whether we have 'met with' prospects, worked them out at our facility or worked them out at a school's facility.
I believe you are only allowed to work out a certain amount of players at your own facility. |
Good idea and yes, i believe every NFL team is allowed 30 prospect visits. |
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jsthomp2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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WOW! The Broncos are really going after it...one workout with Brock Osweiller.
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germ-x
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Yep, the Denver news on prospects as been quite slow.
3 names that popped up on more than a few teams lists that i found interesting and were players i had never heard of were: Old Dominion DT Ronnie Cameron, UCLA RB Derrick Coleman, and Kent State OC Chris Anzevino.
Just searching the web quickly here is just the measurables/info on each guy.
Ronnie Cameron, 6'2" 295- 2011 stats - 73 tackls, 17 tfl's, 6.5 sacks, Also Named CAA defensive player of the year.
Derrick Coleman, 6'1" 240- 2011 stats- 765 yds, 5.0ypc, 11 TD's. Also a STer who was named UCLA's special teams player of the year.
Chris Anzevino, 6'2" 295- Started every game at OC since 2008. |
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ToastedOats
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| Before the NOW era in football, QB's would usually sit and take mental reps. Steve Young, Joe Montana, and others would be groomed to play QB. Hell, Denver had Steve DeBerg in front of Elway. Some QB's are ready to play others need to sit. I do not think there is a univesal way to groom a QB, it differs from player to player. Think of all the QB's who have failed being a high draft pick and being thrust into the line-up. Carr, Aikli Smith, J. Russell, T. Couch, R. Leaf, and others simply were not ready to be starting QB's and they were all top 5 picks. I still think Denver selects a QB in the early rounds to sit behind Manning to learn how to be a QB. |
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paul-mac
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Maybe we're just going to trade our entire draft to Minnesota to move up to 3 and take Osweiler 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| paul-mac wrote: | | Maybe we're just going to trade our entire draft to Minnesota to move up to 3 and take Osweiler |
Wait! When did Mike Ditka join the Broncos staff?
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BroncosFan2010
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Well, I am just really happy that we are not connected to any Defensive Tackles.
That position is stupid. |
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germ-x
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| Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Just got a text from ESPN. Denver led by John Elway will be traveling to ASU to workout Osweiler today. |
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| I would not be opposed to Brock in the 3rd. He has a ton of talent, but is a complete project. |
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Almost every person in here knows how much i love Brock Osweiler. So i am 100% happy about this for sure.
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