Buddy Ryan vs Greg Williams

[birdman0069]

After taking the time to absorb all of this "bounty scandal" information that has floded the airwaves, I couldn't help but wonder how much of a big deal is this? How long has this been going on in the NFL? Can the really do anything about it?

For those of us that are old enough to remember Buddy, we know just what a violent style of football he believed in. The city of Philadelphia embraced Buddy for this style of play. I can't remember just how many players were carted off the field to the sound roaring crowds of the Vet. Buddy's defences were resposible for ending many players careers during his years in Philly.

Did Buddy coach his players to go out and injure people? With players like "Dirty Waters" and Wes "the hitman" Hopkins, it wouldn't be hard to make an arguement that Buddy told his players to go out and injure someone. Then, add the lure of "the Bounty Bowl" and I would say it's entirely likely this was the culture of the Eagles during Buddy Ryan's tenure.

Can the NFL truely do anything about this type of coaching? Are the suspentions of the Saints coaches and GM just a bump in the road? The media and NFL has neglected to address the questions, How long has this been going on? How far does this go back?

As an older fan, I long for the good ole days when QB's were accually footall players and not skirt wearing sissy's. Is it truely an end of an era? Is tough football gone because of all the media attention this subject has garnered?

Thoughts.............
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[RainbowCarebear]

In Buddy days they didn't have the same focus on player safety like they do now.

If the Bounty thing happens again in like 5 years, except the hammer to come down as hard if not harder.
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[babyatemydingo]

Player safety is directly related to the economics of the game.

Football is physical and injuries are already commonplace.
There is no benefit derived from increased violence in the game.
However, there is a benefit from keeping players on the field, particularly stars.
It affects the marketability of the game.
Who wants to watch Curtis Painter man the Colts?

Also, the perception that football is dangerous can be detrimental.
If kids grow up watching football, but playing other sports then football could lose its grip on future generations.
Parents are notoriously cautious with their own children.
If your parents make you play soccer, BMX, etc. then in all likelihood you will favor the sport in which you participated.

Just because the NFL didn't take this into consideration in its previous business model does not mean they are not wise to do so now.

As far as the enforceability of the matter, when it comes to light it has to be treated accordingly regardless of subsequent actions.
Believing it is going on is one thing. Having it exposed is another.
For example, you may believe that a particular candidate is racist despite his denials.
But, if he gets recorded saying something racist like, "slavery was the best of times," he's done, even though there is no real chance he is going to try to reinstate slavery.

Some of the quotes coming from the Saints' locker room clearly indicate direction to physically harm others. Hit the head, ACL, etc.
There is no way the commissioner can just shrug his shoulders and issue a writ of "boys will be boys."
The Saints are going to get slammed for their own stupidity.
It will be done for the long term financial benefit.

[oland11]

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But its just the time of football. It is forever changing and the Gang Green Defense was in a time when said "bounties" wasn't an issue.
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