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paul-mac
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EXF seem to love strong a tough RBs. Turbin and Polk both on our board.
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| germ-x wrote: | | broncos67 wrote: | | germ-x wrote: | Didn't know where to put this, so i decided to in here since it is about prospects.
Just read Brandon Spano's twitter and he stated that Denver has been calling teams trying to gauge how far they need to trade up to select South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore.
[url]http://twitter.com/#!/brandonspano[/url]
Doesn't surprise me, Elway believes cover corners are incredibly important and Gilmore is probably the most physically talented CB in the draft. |
I'd love to get Gilmore. He may very well end up as the best corner in this draft, but I wouldn't mortgage the whole draft to move up for him.
I still wouldn't sleep on potentially drafting a WR in Round 1. |
I honestly wouldn't be surprised with about anything....and i like it for the most part. Elway wants a difference maker and i think it is going to force him to select the BPA, which i like. I just hope it isn't a WR. I do not like Kendall Wright and view him as terrible value at #25. Sure he could be darn good in the SLOT with Peyton Manning throwing him the ball (what WR isn't) but you can get a guy like Danny Coale, Devon Wylie, or T.Y. Hilton in the middle of the draft that will do the same things.
Stephen Hill is unique, but raw and risky for that reason. I would rather draft him over Wright, but i wouldn't be very happy with it.
The only receiving option i really like is Coby Fleener. Big, fast, highly developed college player that understands the game. He can work as a position guy because of his size while also being a deep threat in the middle of the field because of his speed/athleticism/size. I think he would be a great pick at #25. I know Denver added 2 TE's, but Fleener IMO can be an elite TE in this league. |
I really don't understand the comparisons of T.Y. Hilton to guys like Coale and Givens... Hilton is NOT a slot receiver. He's small, fast and athletic and that's about it. He's a deplorable route runner and does not have good hands- the two things a slot receiver MUST possess. He's nothing more than a kick returner and possible fourth receiver at this point... |
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germ-x
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Zukhyubern wrote: | | germ-x wrote: | | broncos67 wrote: | | germ-x wrote: | Didn't know where to put this, so i decided to in here since it is about prospects.
Just read Brandon Spano's twitter and he stated that Denver has been calling teams trying to gauge how far they need to trade up to select South Carolina CB Stephon Gilmore.
[url]http://twitter.com/#!/brandonspano[/url]
Doesn't surprise me, Elway believes cover corners are incredibly important and Gilmore is probably the most physically talented CB in the draft. |
I'd love to get Gilmore. He may very well end up as the best corner in this draft, but I wouldn't mortgage the whole draft to move up for him.
I still wouldn't sleep on potentially drafting a WR in Round 1. |
I honestly wouldn't be surprised with about anything....and i like it for the most part. Elway wants a difference maker and i think it is going to force him to select the BPA, which i like. I just hope it isn't a WR. I do not like Kendall Wright and view him as terrible value at #25. Sure he could be darn good in the SLOT with Peyton Manning throwing him the ball (what WR isn't) but you can get a guy like Danny Coale, Devon Wylie, or T.Y. Hilton in the middle of the draft that will do the same things.
Stephen Hill is unique, but raw and risky for that reason. I would rather draft him over Wright, but i wouldn't be very happy with it.
The only receiving option i really like is Coby Fleener. Big, fast, highly developed college player that understands the game. He can work as a position guy because of his size while also being a deep threat in the middle of the field because of his speed/athleticism/size. I think he would be a great pick at #25. I know Denver added 2 TE's, but Fleener IMO can be an elite TE in this league. |
I really don't understand the comparisons of T.Y. Hilton to guys like Coale and Givens... Hilton is NOT a slot receiver. He's small, fast and athletic and that's about it. He's a deplorable route runner and does not have good hands- the two things a slot receiver MUST possess. He's nothing more than a kick returner and possible fourth receiver at this point... |
He is still talented and that was the entire point, any one of those guys in the 4th round or later over the less talented Kendall Wright at #25.
But let's not act like guys cannot get better running routes or gain better hands. |
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germ-x
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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This draft is so unpredictable for the Broncos and i don't like it. 
Since '09 we have basically known what Denver was going to do. In '09 we had tons of mocks having Denver taking RB's and OLB's in the 1st round. In 2010 it was basically a given Denver was taking Tebow, while everyone knew they would draft a receiver at some point to replace Brandon Marshall. Last year with the #2 pick we knew what was going on and stuff.
This year we don't have a freakin clue. Honestly nearly anyone is up for grabs. CB's, DT's, WR's, RB's, TE's, OL's, DE's....wouldn't be surprised with either.
I don't like the fact that we have no idea, but i guess i like that fact that it seems Denver is going to take the BPA, which i am a fan of. Like Elway stated in the presser...when you draft for need you make mistakes and i fully believe that. |
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elwayfan07
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| germ-x wrote: | This draft is so unpredictable for the Broncos and i don't like it.
Since '09 we have basically known what Denver was going to do. In '09 we had tons of mocks having Denver taking RB's and OLB's in the 1st round. In 2010 it was basically a given Denver was taking Tebow, while everyone knew they would draft a receiver at some point to replace Brandon Marshall. Last year with the #2 pick we knew what was going on and stuff.
This year we don't have a freakin clue. Honestly nearly anyone is up for grabs. CB's, DT's, WR's, RB's, TE's, OL's, DE's....wouldn't be surprised with either.
I don't like the fact that we have no idea, but i guess i like that fact that it seems Denver is going to take the BPA, which i am a fan of. Like Elway stated in the presser...when you draft for need you make mistakes and i fully believe that. |
I agree. This the first time since Cutler I've had no clue who we were going to pick.
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Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!?
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elwayfan07
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others
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| elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Or they are being kept secret. 
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JerseysFinest27
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Exactly...
You can have up to 30 visits at your facility! Why not use all 30?
Dumb move by our Front Office. Really dumb.
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elwayfan07
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Exactly...
You can have up to 30 visits at your facility! Why not use all 30?
Dumb move by our Front Office. Really dumb. |
Not necceserily, They may have a good idea who they want and wanted to focus on a few people rather than more. IDK. However, I have been impressed on how EXF have run the franchise so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt
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JerseysFinest27
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Exactly...
You can have up to 30 visits at your facility! Why not use all 30?
Dumb move by our Front Office. Really dumb. |
Not necceserily, They may have a good idea who they want and wanted to focus on a few people rather than more. IDK. However, I have been impressed on how EXF have run the franchise so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt |
I have been more than impressed with their decision making... Dont get me wrong.
However, this isnt logical to me... Why not have an individual workout for your top players and the hidden gems on your board? Thats how Julius Thomas was found last year. He reportedly wow'd the staff at the facility.
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Army
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Exactly...
You can have up to 30 visits at your facility! Why not use all 30?
Dumb move by our Front Office. Really dumb. |
Not necceserily, They may have a good idea who they want and wanted to focus on a few people rather than more. IDK. However, I have been impressed on how EXF have run the franchise so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt |
I have been more than impressed with their decision making... Dont get me wrong.
However, this isnt logical to me... Why not have an individual workout for your top players and the hidden gems on your board? Thats how Julius Thomas was found last year. He reportedly wow'd the staff at the facility. |
I agree with this. There is just too much at stake in the 1st to not bring in a "one year wonder" for a look, who would be dominant one week against top competition (Ohio State), and disappear the next (UCLA).
I certainly like Elwayfan07's idea of a "pass-rusher", and am very impressed with the picks in this Mock, but I see Mercilus as very risky, with red flags, for a 1st Rd. Pick. I can't help but think that with Denver's history with players like Jarvis Moss and Robert Ayers, there will be very little interest in taking a chance. And notwithstanding those who would like to re-write history, Ayers was barely above the level of an "automatic off-season cut", last season. Not because of horrible play, but because of his 1st Rd. salary with a lack of commensurate 1st Rd. production. Ayers was slightly above the level of "passable" as a run-stopper, and is a ZERO as a QB pressure/pass-rusher.
But, I say all this with the understanding that Mercilus could very well turn into a great pick for us when you look at the changes we will be seeing on the field next season. 1st we have 2 Top pass rushers (Von Doom) who could help hide a lot of weaknesses. And although Mercilus might be a situational player, we will likely be playing games from the lead, allowing a lot of those "situations" to manifest themselves on the field.
I see a LB who can rush the passer, a DL, an OL, or a CB as less risky, and a lot more likely a pick, but as GermX has pointed out on more than one occasion, #25 could come from ANY position on the board, including DE. I mean let's face it, the Denver Broncos are "talent-poor" in so many areas that this team should be the "Poster-boy" of the BPA philosophy.
So overall, I think this is a great, and very realistic Mock. |
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elwayfan07
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Army wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | elwayfan07 wrote: | | JerseysFinest27 wrote: | | Im still trying to figure out why EXF hosted only 10-12 prospects out of a possible 30? WHAT!? |
Thats at the facility they may have visited others |
Exactly...
You can have up to 30 visits at your facility! Why not use all 30?
Dumb move by our Front Office. Really dumb. |
Not necceserily, They may have a good idea who they want and wanted to focus on a few people rather than more. IDK. However, I have been impressed on how EXF have run the franchise so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt |
I have been more than impressed with their decision making... Dont get me wrong.
However, this isnt logical to me... Why not have an individual workout for your top players and the hidden gems on your board? Thats how Julius Thomas was found last year. He reportedly wow'd the staff at the facility. |
I agree with this. There is just too much at stake in the 1st to not bring in a "one year wonder" for a look, who would be dominant one week against top competition (Ohio State), and disappear the next (UCLA).
I certainly like Elwayfan07's idea of a "pass-rusher", and am very impressed with the picks in this Mock, but I see Mercilus as very risky, with red flags, for a 1st Rd. Pick. I can't help but think that with Denver's history with players like Jarvis Moss and Robert Ayers, there will be very little interest in taking a chance. And notwithstanding those who would like to re-write history, Ayers was barely above the level of an "automatic off-season cut", last season. Not because of horrible play, but because of his 1st Rd. salary with a lack of commensurate 1st Rd. production. Ayers was slightly above the level of "passable" as a run-stopper, and is a ZERO as a QB pressure/pass-rusher.
But, I say all this with the understanding that Mercilus could very well turn into a great pick for us when you look at the changes we will be seeing on the field next season. 1st we have 2 Top pass rushers (Von Doom) who could help hide a lot of weaknesses. And although Mercilus might be a situational player, we will likely be playing games from the lead, allowing a lot of those "situations" to manifest themselves on the field.
I see a LB who can rush the passer, a DL, an OL, or a CB as less risky, and a lot more likely a pick, but as GermX has pointed out on more than one occasion, #25 could come from ANY position on the board, including DE. I mean let's face it, the Denver Broncos are "talent-poor" in so many areas that this team should be the "Poster-boy" of the BPA philosophy.
So overall, I think this is a great, and very realistic Mock. |
I appreciate the compliment. I acknowledge the bust potential for Mercillus. However, I still think that his quality is what ELway loves... he can flat out rush the passer. I think Chandler Jones could be the pick as well.
What I wonder is if Copels fall to 25 is he the pick. A guy with very questionable effort but can absolutley dominatee.
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Army
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I think Elwayfan07, and some others on this board, are on to something here.
I think Broncos fans are about to suffer "football shock" when they see the changes that will happen on the field when we have a guy like Manning running the show. Things like playing with a lead, and having to worry less about getting trampled by an opponents running game are going to be a HUGE change, IMO. I think Elwayfan07 who suggests Mercilus, or a GermX who I believe is high on Nick Perry, DE from USC, may be looking outside the box with these picks. I can't help but ask myself "where would the Broncos rank as a pass-rushing team" with another really good pass-rusher? I believe we would be near the top of the NFL. If teams can stop Manning, will we still be weak against the run? Very possibly this could happen from time-to-time during the season. Especially as everybody get's used to a whole new Offense. But, I really like the hell out of our chances. |
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jsthomp2007
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| Army wrote: | I think Elwayfan07, and some others on this board, are on to something here.
I think Broncos fans are about to suffer "football shock" when they see the changes that will happen on the field when we have a guy like Manning running the show. Things like playing with a lead, and having to worry less about getting trampled by an opponents running game are going to be a HUGE change, IMO. I think Elwayfan07 who suggests Mercilus, or a GermX who I believe is high on Nick Perry, DE from USC, may be looking outside the box with these picks. I can't help but ask myself "where would the Broncos rank as a pass-rushing team" with another really good pass-rusher? I believe we would be near the top of the NFL. If teams can stop Manning, will we still be weak against the run? Very possibly this could happen from time-to-time during the season. Especially as everybody get's used to a whole new Offense. But, I really like the hell out of our chances. |
I agree with you. I think if they Broncos are playing with solid leads, then they don't have to stop the run that much, they will have to defend the pass...if the quarterback is constantly getting rushed and we have a solid defensive backfield...who can win?
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