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Silver&Black88
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| big_palooka wrote: | Hate defending the guy, because I agree with you on him. But he had a legit reason to be in Alabama. Death of a family member.
That doesn't excuse his retarded actions after the fact.
I am not overly optimistic about him as well. Looks like an average, never great player. The worst kind. Want to replace him, but never find the right guy for the job. |
Word. Seems like we're on the same page here. I'll give him another year though. Probably another if he looks improved.\
| Quote: | Too often people talk about LBs being terrible at shedding blocks, and I don't understand it. How many LBs are great at shedding blocks? Especially when they have to do it as much as McClain? Your DTs are supposed to keep the LBs clean, that is one of their main jobs because even the best LBs will have trouble freeing themselves against big offensive linemen. Now I'm not saying they shouldn't ever have to do it, but McClains ability to shed blocks is overnlown because he's always having to fo it, of course he will struggle to make plays when he's consistently having to shed blocks at the second level.
Also S&B88 Ro is a hard worker. I don't think any of us should question that part of his game. He's played through pain on a consistent basis and doesn't come across as lazy in the slightest to me. Doesn't mean he's without questions, but I don't worry about him putting the work in.
I also wonder at times just how much better Ro would look in a complex attacking defense. One he's been able to show he can get to the QB on blitzes and two because his biggest assest coming out was how smart he was and how high his football iq and that he was a coach on the field. We haven't ever been able to see that because we have beem so bland. That's what I'm looking forward to the most. Letting him have the freedom to make calls and checks to put himself and teammates into a better position to make plays. I think that will add quite a bit to his game. |
Well, for such a huge guy who routinely picks the wrong gaps, I'd expect him to be able to shed blocks a little better. Not saying he should take doubles here, just that throwing off a Full back or maybe a lineman now and then would be something I'd like him to be able to do.
I don't think he's lazy. More that he needs to stay extra focused on football and not the thug life. Oaktown isn't a good place to be thinking about that stuff, yknow?
I don't think he'd be good in an attacking D either. He's so slow even with his knee fixed I'd be worried. One time he came in unblocked from the outside and still only got half a sack on Orton because Scott was quick enough to get through the RT and Ro was so slow. He's supposed to be smart but he takes himself out with bad angles and bad gap play too much for me. Hopefully some real defensive coaches can help him get better.
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DOCLEW 28
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | LivingLegendWFC wrote: | Some more Rolando McClain news.
| Rotoworld.com wrote: | Raiders MLB Rolando McClain underwent stem-cell therapy to address chronic pain in his knee and ankle this offseason.
"I’ve been having two seasons of nagging pain in my knee," conceded McClain, who says he now "feels a lot better." A radiologist in Gulf Shores injected fat cells from other parts of McClain's body into the knee and the area of a previous high ankle sprain. McClain is now working out five days per week, and says he's able to sprint "with hardly any pain at all." |
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IMO, this is major news that is worthy of lengthy discussion. This could a long way towards explaining McClain's lack of explosiveness to his critics. |
Would it explain putrid tackling and poor gap discipline? |
I kinda get the impression that this was a question to dig at McClain.
But in all fairness, as a defensive coach, I can tell you that a balky knee DEFINITELY affects your ability to tackle. A good tackling position is made with bent knees and thighs almost paralles to the ground. Something that is tough to do if your knees aren't right. It would explain all the lunging, grabbing, clutching and out of good hitting position tackles we have seen from McClain. And the pressure that bad body positioning puts on your lower back would be a bigger concern if not for therapy to correct the pain in the knees.
And how can you get in position to be in the correct gap if whe play starts and you don't have the explosion to get to (ant sometimes through) your gap to make that tackle in the first place??? You were being a wise guy but the question and its answer does have merit.
Any defender knows that if you have bad knees, tackling is going to be extremely difficult.
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DOCLEW 28
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| dante9876 wrote: | | TiberiusRising wrote: | | Being able to practice should go a long way. I am excited to see what all our young guys do with a full offseason. I am glad they are focusing on technique already it seems they have pinpointed this as a way to fix our 4th quarter collapses last year. |
I forgot what it was but when I saw a video of Allen coaching he was all about technique. He seems to be very high on that type of stuff. I expect better tackling from everyone on this defense. Even Seymour who loves to wrap high for some reason. |
You may be talking about the video of our DC Tarver when he was at Stanford and coaching up the linebackers. That guy is intense. If anyone can get McClain right, its Tarver. I have 100% confidence in the DC if McClain and others buy into what he is teaching.
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DOCLEW 28
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times....
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times.... |
Are you a Raiders fan?
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times.... |
Are you a Raiders fan? |
Absolutely. Is it b/c I'm a fan that I'm not allowed to call a duck, a duck?? Do I need pom-poms to be a fan? No. I can and will be critical of the players when necessary. McClain has been pretty bad. If he was drafted in the 4th, I'd be cool but he wasn't.
So you can sit there and cheer all you want. I see things for how they are and call it like I see it. If that offends, you, I apologize.
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Raiiiiidersssss
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times.... |
Are you a Raiders fan? |
Absolutely. Is it b/c I'm a fan that I'm not allowed to call a duck, a duck?? Do I need pom-poms to be a fan? No. I can and will be critical of the players when necessary. McClain has been pretty bad. If he was drafted in the 4th, I'd be cool but he wasn't.
So you can sit there and cheer all you want. I see things for how they are and call it like I see it. If that offends, you, I apologize. |
I agree McClain hasn't played up to expectations, but I feel like you are overly critical of several raiders players.
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| Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times.... |
Are you a Raiders fan? |
Absolutely. Is it b/c I'm a fan that I'm not allowed to call a duck, a duck?? Do I need pom-poms to be a fan? No. I can and will be critical of the players when necessary. McClain has been pretty bad. If he was drafted in the 4th, I'd be cool but he wasn't.
So you can sit there and cheer all you want. I see things for how they are and call it like I see it. If that offends, you, I apologize. |
I agree McClain hasn't played up to expectations, but I feel like you are overly critical of several raiders players. |
Players, coaches, the founder of the franchise, an employee who posts here, the bay area beat writers and just the city of Oakland in general.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | I agree McClain hasn't played up to expectations, but I feel like you are overly critical of several raiders players. |
Tell me though, is it not warranted?? How many wins have these players got us over the course of 11 years? Hell, most weren't even on the team then. So how many over the past 6 years?
Again, is it warranted?
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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DOCLEW 28
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | Raiiiiidersssss wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | big_palooka wrote: | +1. I am one of those critics. I am very interested in seeing how this helps his explosiveness and speed.
I never heard anything about knee pain he had. I knew about the high ankle sprain.
Hopefully this is a step in him becoming what expected at the #8 overall pick. He looks trimmed down in the photos from mini-camp.
Very encouraged with him right now. Just needs to translate to the field. |
To his credit, McClain NEVER used his injury as an excuse. The kid just tried to grind away even in the face of constant criticism. Good stuff. It will only make him a better player inthe future. |
Yep it's good stuff he sucked. LOL. He tried... and failed... numerous times.... |
Are you a Raiders fan? |
Absolutely. Is it b/c I'm a fan that I'm not allowed to call a duck, a duck?? Do I need pom-poms to be a fan? No. I can and will be critical of the players when necessary. McClain has been pretty bad. If he was drafted in the 4th, I'd be cool but he wasn't.
So you can sit there and cheer all you want. I see things for how they are and call it like I see it. If that offends, you, I apologize. |
To have the number of tackles the kid had on a balky knee is impressive no matter what you want to think about it. It's becoming obvious that you were never any king of quality athlete or coached quality athletes. If you were, you were probably one of those guys that we said tells "lies on his uniform". But its all good.
If you want to be "that" fan, so be it. Whatever floats your boat. If you want to just look at the surface and make ignorant comments like that without seeing that the kid is taking all the steps to improve himself medically and on the field, go for it. I just shake my head. But mostly scroll through your crap because I'm sure that we have all seen and heard it before. The guy who talks to get a rise but makes himself sound silly.
As a former athlete it bugs me. As a coach it bothers me too. But whatever dude.
And that crap about "oh he was picked 8th so he disappoints me." is a bunch of BS. Whether he was taken first overall or in the 5th round doesn't matter one bit as long as he is a member of this team and a starter. That "draftnick" like of thinking always cracks me up.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| DOCLEW 28 wrote: |
To have the number of tackles the kid had on a balky knee is impressive no matter what you want to think about it. It's becoming obvious that you were never any king of quality athlete or coached quality athletes. If you were, you were probably one of those guys that we said tells "lies on his uniform". But its all good.
If you want to be "that" fan, so be it. Whatever floats your boat. If you want to just look at the surface and make ignorant comments like that without seeing that the kid is taking all the steps to improve himself medically and on the field, go for it. I just shake my head. But mostly scroll through your crap because I'm sure that we have all seen and heard it before. The guy who talks to get a rise but makes himself sound silly.
As a former athlete it bugs me. As a coach it bothers me too. But whatever dude.
And that crap about "oh he was picked 8th so he disappoints me." is a bunch of BS. Whether he was taken first overall or in the 5th round doesn't matter one bit as long as he is a member of this team and a starter. That "draftnick" like of thinking always cracks me up. |
LOL "tackles" are an important stat too, right? Not even gonna bother w/ the rest of this tripe. Sorry man. Keep saying I'm stupid and making ignorant comments all you want. Your agenda is the funniest thing here.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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Rolo was never really explosive imo and he has always tackled high with or without injury. i hope he can fix it soon.
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Silver&Black88
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Rolo was never really explosive imo and he has always tackled high with or without injury. i hope he can fix it soon. |
+1. I get he has stuff to deal with that other players don't. But at the same time, that doesn't excuse his flaws with things most players are fine with. I'm talking tackling and gap discipline. I know I bring it up with him all the time, but they are so fundamental and crucial to MLB play and I probably won't stop til he fixes them. He seems like a good worker and generally smart so hopefully with our new defensive coaches, he makes the strides he needs to make.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe his injury is what caused him to be tentative and tackle poorly. |
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