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| holt_bruce81 wrote: | | How is he done as a starter? |
He's aging and has a ton of mileage, and is being shopped by his team. Do you think he's going to be a 16 game starter next year?
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 49ersfan wrote: | | holt_bruce81 wrote: | | How is he done as a starter? |
He's aging and has a ton of mileage, and is being shopped by his team. Do you think he's going to be a 16 game starter next year? |
I don't see why he couldn't be. Rams shopping him around has nothing to do with him not being able to start anymore. |
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A 4th? For his contract? He will be a valuable asset to a team in 2012. But draft picks hold higher value than a RB who's been in the league several years already. The veteran RB market is awful. Cedric Benson? LT? Yes, I realize they are different players, but truth is teams will take fresh legs in the draft.
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Perfect example of people over-valuing draft picks in this thread.
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Like 3 season too late... Not a lot of value there right now.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Perfect example of people over-valuing draft picks in this thread. |
So what would you gibe for Steven? |
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| holt_bruce81 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Perfect example of people over-valuing draft picks in this thread. |
So what would you gibe for Steven? |
If I'm a team like Denver or New England - I'd say a fourth round pick would be fair. Both of those teams have the chance to win right now(something Jackson is accustomed to), and both teams could use a RB with his sort of talent.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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If he is willing to take a discount I am sure the Pats would take him for a low pick. He will have a good shot at going somewhere in the playoffs.
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I think a 4th is about right, considering the risk. He's older and isnt exactly the most durable back. But he's a strong runner and is a solid receiver out of the backfield.
I dont get the issue with his contract. 14 million over 2 years with only 4 of it guaranteed? Its short term. It isnt a ton of money. I dont see why any team needing a running back would be affraid to take that on. Particularly if the trade is for something cheap like a 4th.
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: | I think a 4th is about right, considering the risk. He's older and isnt exactly the most durable back. But he's a strong runner and is a solid receiver out of the backfield.
I dont get the issue with his contract. 14 million over 2 years with only 4 of it guaranteed? Its short term. It isnt a ton of money. I dont see why any team needing a running back would be affraid to take that on. Particularly if the trade is for something cheap like a 4th. |
He wants his contract redone. So the money could become an issue.
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| iPwn wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | I think a 4th is about right, considering the risk. He's older and isnt exactly the most durable back. But he's a strong runner and is a solid receiver out of the backfield.
I dont get the issue with his contract. 14 million over 2 years with only 4 of it guaranteed? Its short term. It isnt a ton of money. I dont see why any team needing a running back would be affraid to take that on. Particularly if the trade is for something cheap like a 4th. |
He wants his contract redone. So the money could become an issue. |
True. Very true.
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| iPwn wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | I think a 4th is about right, considering the risk. He's older and isnt exactly the most durable back. But he's a strong runner and is a solid receiver out of the backfield.
I dont get the issue with his contract. 14 million over 2 years with only 4 of it guaranteed? Its short term. It isnt a ton of money. I dont see why any team needing a running back would be affraid to take that on. Particularly if the trade is for something cheap like a 4th. |
He wants his contract redone. So the money could become an issue. |
Honestly I don't think it is about the money. May be about the length, but I doubt the money is a concern. I think he is upset at the fact that we have been looking at RB early in the draft. Jackson has always hated sharing carries. I can't recall how often during the season you see the coaches pulling him on third down, then the camera shows Jackson pissed off on the sideline or talking to the coach. Granted its usually for good reason since he is such a pass catching weapon, he is a great 3rd down back, and he obviously didn't like giving up carries to guys like Cadillac Williams, Kenneth Darby, and Brian Leonard. I think if a team like New England or another contender called up and asked him to take the current money he is making over the next two years and spread it out to a 3-4 year deal, he would be very pleased. He just wants to win first and foremost, and secondly he wants to be THE guy.
Just for reference to those saying they would rather keep a 4th rounder and take fresh legs; the past RB talent taken in the 4th round:
Roy Helu
Kendall Hunter
Delone Carter
Taiwan Jones
Bilal Powell
Joe McKnight
Mike Goodson
Andre Brown
Tashard Choice
Antonio Pittman
Michael Robinson
Leon Washington
PJ Daniels
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| JAD wrote: | | iPwn wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: | I think a 4th is about right, considering the risk. He's older and isnt exactly the most durable back. But he's a strong runner and is a solid receiver out of the backfield.
I dont get the issue with his contract. 14 million over 2 years with only 4 of it guaranteed? Its short term. It isnt a ton of money. I dont see why any team needing a running back would be affraid to take that on. Particularly if the trade is for something cheap like a 4th. |
He wants his contract redone. So the money could become an issue. |
Honestly I don't think it is about the money. May be about the length, but I doubt the money is a concern. I think he is upset at the fact that we have been looking at RB early in the draft. Jackson has always hated sharing carries. I can't recall how often during the season you see the coaches pulling him on third down, then the camera shows Jackson pissed off on the sideline or talking to the coach. Granted its usually for good reason since he is such a pass catching weapon, he is a great 3rd down back, and he obviously didn't like giving up carries to guys like Cadillac Williams, Kenneth Darby, and Brian Leonard. I think if a team like New England or another contender called up and asked him to take the current money he is making over the next two years and spread it out to a 3-4 year deal, he would be very pleased. He just wants to win first and foremost, and secondly he wants to be THE guy.
Just for reference to those saying they would rather keep a 4th rounder and take fresh legs; the past RB talent taken in the 4th round:
Roy Helu
Kendall Hunter
Delone Carter
Taiwan Jones
Bilal Powell
Joe McKnight
Mike Goodson
Andre Brown
Tashard Choice
Antonio Pittman
Michael Robinson
Leon Washington
PJ Daniels |
Well, to be fair, it isnt about thinking you are going to find an equal talent in the 4th as much as finding fresh legs at a price far, far below 7 million+ a year. You can take a 1st or 2nd round RB and a Mike Goodson in the 4th and still be well below that pricetag.
All I am saying is theres more to the argument than side by side talent. Not saying you dont realize that. But your post kinda conveys that.
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: |
Well, to be fair, it isnt about thinking you are going to find an equal talent in the 4th as much as finding fresh legs at a price far, far below 7 million+ a year. You can take a 1st or 2nd round RB and a Mike Goodson in the 4th and still be well below that pricetag.
All I am saying is theres more to the argument than side by side talent. Not saying you dont realize that. But your post kinda conveys that. |
Very true. Was more using it as a point of reference for past talent taken in the fourth and less about making a point of "Steven Jackson or one of these RBs". Every draft is different and has different prospects who could be available in the 4th.
In the 4th round you are obviously getting a much cheaper player and as with all draft picks, more potential instead of proven talent. Wasn't trying to take a stance of Steven Jackson vs 4th round rookie. Obviously things such as money, age, wear-and-tear, system fit, potential, etc etc all weigh in a potential trade like this.
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| JAD wrote: | | J Pep 4 Step wrote: |
Well, to be fair, it isnt about thinking you are going to find an equal talent in the 4th as much as finding fresh legs at a price far, far below 7 million+ a year. You can take a 1st or 2nd round RB and a Mike Goodson in the 4th and still be well below that pricetag.
All I am saying is theres more to the argument than side by side talent. Not saying you dont realize that. But your post kinda conveys that. |
Very true. Was more using it as a point of reference for past talent taken in the fourth and less about making a point of "Steven Jackson or one of these RBs". Every draft is different and has different prospects who could be available in the 4th.
In the 4th round you are obviously getting a much cheaper player and as with all draft picks, more potential instead of proven talent. Wasn't trying to take a stance of Steven Jackson vs 4th round rookie. Obviously things such as money, age, wear-and-tear, system fit, potential, etc etc all weigh in a potential trade like this. |
I thought I saw someone post an article with Jackson saying he was open to the drafting of Richardson. Am I imagining that (I didnt read the article)? Or do you think Jackson was just being diplomatic?
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