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DOCLEW 28
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | Yep a tackle 4 yards pass the LoS is a determining factor in a player's worth and shows he has complete control over whiffing and gap discipline. I see it now.
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Is this your "adult" explanation as to why tackels are worthless stats when talking of a defensive player's value??? Seriously??? You are going to have to do a better job of explaining this one. I can't wait to hear this. 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Yep a tackle 4 yards pass the LoS is a determining factor in a player's worth and shows he has complete control over whiffing and gap discipline. I see it now.
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Is this your "adult" explanation as to why tackels are worthless stats when talking of a defensive player's value??? Seriously??? You are going to have to do a better job of explaining this one. I can't wait to hear this. |
No it's me mocking you. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks tackles are a stat to judge a player's worth. That's just silly. I am talking to a "coach" I shouldn't need to explain that.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | DOCLEW 28 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | Yep a tackle 4 yards pass the LoS is a determining factor in a player's worth and shows he has complete control over whiffing and gap discipline. I see it now.
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Is this your "adult" explanation as to why tackels are worthless stats when talking of a defensive player's value??? Seriously??? You are going to have to do a better job of explaining this one. I can't wait to hear this. |
No it's me mocking you. I can't take anyone seriously who thinks tackles are a stat to judge a player's worth. That's just silly. I am talking to a "coach" I shouldn't need to explain that. |
no stat is great for judging how a player played...
however, i think tackles for MLB does have value.
obviously you need to do more than just have a lot of tackles to be great.. but it is very tough to be great without tackles.
its kind of the basic premise of defense, tackle the ball carrier.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| dmac505 wrote: | no stat is great for judging how a player played...
however, i think tackles for MLB does have value.
obviously you need to do more than just have a lot of tackles to be great.. but it is very tough to be great without tackles.
its kind of the basic premise of defense, tackle the ball carrier. |
Completely agree, tackles are definitely a measuring stick but I believe it's the bottom of the totem poll. Kirk Morrison says I'm right also.
If we were to elaborate and say tackles of < 1 yard, I would suggest it's significantly more important. Unfortunately though, I don't know of any sites that break tackles down like that. I'm sure there are some and I possibly could have seen them. Just nothing coming to mind.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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dmac505
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | dmac505 wrote: | no stat is great for judging how a player played...
however, i think tackles for MLB does have value.
obviously you need to do more than just have a lot of tackles to be great.. but it is very tough to be great without tackles.
its kind of the basic premise of defense, tackle the ball carrier. |
Completely agree, tackles are definitely a measuring stick but I believe it's the bottom of the totem poll. Kirk Morrison says I'm right also.
If we were to elaborate and say tackles of < 1 yard, I would suggest it's significantly more important. Unfortunately though, I don't know of any sites that break tackles down like that. I'm sure there are some and I possibly could have seen them. Just nothing coming to mind. |
i agree with that.
i thought you were just stating tackles didnt matter, good to know i was wrong 
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NCOUGHMAN
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | dmac505 wrote: | no stat is great for judging how a player played...
however, i think tackles for MLB does have value.
obviously you need to do more than just have a lot of tackles to be great.. but it is very tough to be great without tackles.
its kind of the basic premise of defense, tackle the ball carrier. |
Completely agree, tackles are definitely a measuring stick but I believe it's the bottom of the totem poll. Kirk Morrison says I'm right also.
If we were to elaborate and say tackles of < 1 yard, I would suggest it's significantly more important. Unfortunately though, I don't know of any sites that break tackles down like that. I'm sure there are some and I possibly could have seen them. Just nothing coming to mind. |
tackles for loss are my fav stats for LB's.
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DOCLEW 28
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| dmac505 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | dmac505 wrote: | no stat is great for judging how a player played...
however, i think tackles for MLB does have value.
obviously you need to do more than just have a lot of tackles to be great.. but it is very tough to be great without tackles.
its kind of the basic premise of defense, tackle the ball carrier. |
Completely agree, tackles are definitely a measuring stick but I believe it's the bottom of the totem poll. Kirk Morrison says I'm right also.
If we were to elaborate and say tackles of < 1 yard, I would suggest it's significantly more important. Unfortunately though, I don't know of any sites that break tackles down like that. I'm sure there are some and I possibly could have seen them. Just nothing coming to mind. |
i agree with that.
i thought you were just stating tackles didnt matter, good to know i was wrong |
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It's exactly how his argument sounded. Like tackles were unimportant. Getting an explanation is like pulling teeth with that guy. But he had a nice Dion-like back pedal though. That gets a 2nd round grade.
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| Quote: | | Neither franchise free-agent safety Tyvon Branch nor exclusive-rights free-agent fullback Marcel Reece have signed their tender offers |
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DOCLEW 28
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Now that the draft is over and teh UDFA's are coming in, the team can focus on their long term deals now.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| NCOUGHMAN wrote: | | Quote: | | Neither franchise free-agent safety Tyvon Branch nor exclusive-rights free-agent fullback Marcel Reece have signed their tender offers |
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This gives me a little agida. Maybe we're just trying to sign both long term.
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