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whitmire25
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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:12 pm Post subject: Lamar Holmes |
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Does anyone know anything about the kid???? Also what did we get in the trade with the ravens? Thanks
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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He isnt quick. He isnt fast. He isnt overly strong. He is average at everything, and being average in Conference USA isnt a good thing. Horrible pick.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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this is what I said in the draft thread..
| coors wrote: | who?? Lamar Holmes??
this guy better be good enough to start and soon for this to be a good pick IMO.. if he can compete with Baker/Svitek than I guess its a solid pick. Or is he a RT? hell if I know..
Guys like Lamar Miller.. Orson Charles.. and I have no idea who else is left still available those are just 2 guys I heard on ESPN when I flipped it on.. I hope we know what were doing, because I would have gone a different direction since we took an OG in Konz with our 2nd pick... Kinda confused.. |
man.. I'm just not sure..
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Robust Perry
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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This blows.
The Falcons front office does it again... they outsmart themselves into taking a guy who's a nobody and leave proven talent on the board. Brandon Thompson, Lamar Miller, Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders, Chris Polk, Orsen Charles, Jared Crick, Brandon Boykin, George Iloka, and the list goes on. Teams that draft well (Packers, Giants, Ravens) TAKE THE PROVEN PLAYERS ARE HIGHLY RATED! Quit trying to do too much and take what's there.
It's like we can't see the forest through the trees. Guys are staring in our face and we pass for a nobody (the 196th ranked prospect).
It's times like these when I'd honestly prefer anyone of you guys to draft for us. TD could work out the salaries & crunch numbers but the guy whiffs big sometimes.
I'm pissed and all it comes down to is Lamar Holmes better be the freaking real deal. |
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devils1854
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Robust Perry wrote: | This blows.
The Falcons front office does it again... they outsmart themselves into taking a guy who's a nobody and leave proven talent on the board. Brandon Thompson, Lamar Miller, Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders, Chris Polk, Orsen Charles, Jared Crick, Brandon Boykin, George Iloka, and the list goes on. Teams that draft well (Packers, Giants, Ravens) TAKE THE PROVEN PLAYERS ARE HIGHLY RATED! Quit trying to do too much and take what's there.
It's like we can't see the forest through the trees. Guys are staring in our face and we pass for a nobody (the 196th ranked prospect).
It's times like these when I'd honestly prefer anyone of you guys to draft for us. TD could work out the salaries & crunch numbers but the guy whiffs big sometimes.
I'm pissed and all it comes down to is Lamar Holmes better be the freaking real deal. |
Thank you.
Those teams that draft amazingly dont try to outsmart the league. They see who the best player is and draft him. Ozzie Newsome is one of the best in the game. Look what he did. Went from the first rd to the second and still took Upshaw. Look what he has gotten in the past going BPA. Flacco, Oher, Suggs, Smith, Rice, etc....... The small time projects arent in his sights in the first few rounds.
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I think I can understand TDs logic. Our offense is almost complete. The only thing we really NEED is a good left tackle. Despite common belief, Holmes does have the potential to be a good left tackle in his rookie year, even if the odds are very slim. Hopefully he does turn out to be the left tackle that we all want him to be, but if not then at least we have a good backup right tackle.
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Honestly? I love love LOVE the pick. I actually caught a few Southern Miss games on TV this year since it is CUSA and since I do like to pick random teams to watch every year. This year it happened to be whoever the heck was on that was in CUSA when ND wasn't playing. So I saw a few games and I actually remember seeing this big giant dude playing O-Line. He looked pretty good. I think he could develop into a RT or LT for us and it'll work out.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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khodder, who is another member of this forum who I have found is usually pretty spot on with his rankings/grades..
and he has Lamar Holmes ranked in the mid 250s in the entire draft.. I wonder what it was that we saw and nobody else did.
I'll quote khodder from his draft analysis thread in the NFL Draft forum..
| Quote: | 91 - Atlanta Falcons select - Lamar Holmes [OT] Southern Miss
Not a fan of the value here at all. The Falcons needed some additional bodies on the offensive line, but Holmes is not the best value at his position or overall here. I have him in the mid 250's and close to 10 tackles with better value.
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He didn't give out many flat out "F's" in his entire writeup of all 3 rounds..
I'm not feeling this pick
I would have a completely different mindset if we drafted this guy later on in the draft.. not in the 3rd round, when I read up that some people had him ranked lower than 250.. as a 7th round pick or priority free agent.. there is arguably 10 OTs still on the board that most everybody thinks is better than this guy. If that's the case.. even if our Front Office loved this guy.. we could have reached for him in the 5th round or something of that nature.. doesn't seem like anyone else would have picked the guy..
Kids going to have to show me a lot, or hear an explanation from TD and our staff about this guy..
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http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=489256&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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| coors wrote: | khodder, who is another member of this forum who I have found is usually pretty spot on with his rankings/grades..
and he has Lamar Holmes ranked in the mid 250s in the entire draft.. I wonder what it was that we saw and nobody else did.
I'll quote khodder from his draft analysis thread in the NFL Draft forum..
| Quote: | 91 - Atlanta Falcons select - Lamar Holmes [OT] Southern Miss
Not a fan of the value here at all. The Falcons needed some additional bodies on the offensive line, but Holmes is not the best value at his position or overall here. I have him in the mid 250's and close to 10 tackles with better value.
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He didn't give out many flat out "F's" in his entire writeup of all 3 rounds..
I'm not feeling this pick
I would have a completely different mindset if we drafted this guy later on in the draft.. not in the 3rd round, when I read up that some people had him ranked lower than 250.. as a 7th round pick or priority free agent.. there is arguably 10 OTs still on the board that most everybody thinks is better than this guy. If that's the case.. even if our Front Office loved this guy.. we could have reached for him in the 5th round or something of that nature.. doesn't seem like anyone else would have picked the guy..
Kids going to have to show me a lot, or hear an explanation from TD and our staff about this guy..
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http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=489256&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
I ranked 350 players and Holmes wasnt one of them. He is bad, very bad.
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| devils1854 wrote: | | coors wrote: | khodder, who is another member of this forum who I have found is usually pretty spot on with his rankings/grades..
and he has Lamar Holmes ranked in the mid 250s in the entire draft.. I wonder what it was that we saw and nobody else did.
I'll quote khodder from his draft analysis thread in the NFL Draft forum..
| Quote: | 91 - Atlanta Falcons select - Lamar Holmes [OT] Southern Miss
Not a fan of the value here at all. The Falcons needed some additional bodies on the offensive line, but Holmes is not the best value at his position or overall here. I have him in the mid 250's and close to 10 tackles with better value.
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He didn't give out many flat out "F's" in his entire writeup of all 3 rounds..
I'm not feeling this pick
I would have a completely different mindset if we drafted this guy later on in the draft.. not in the 3rd round, when I read up that some people had him ranked lower than 250.. as a 7th round pick or priority free agent.. there is arguably 10 OTs still on the board that most everybody thinks is better than this guy. If that's the case.. even if our Front Office loved this guy.. we could have reached for him in the 5th round or something of that nature.. doesn't seem like anyone else would have picked the guy..
Kids going to have to show me a lot, or hear an explanation from TD and our staff about this guy..
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check out his thread, here
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=489256&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15 |
I ranked 350 players and Holmes wasnt one of them. He is bad, very bad. |
exaclty. even worse than I had thought 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: |
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I had him rated 186 overall. He's a hell of a pass blocker but a complete project in run blocking. If Falcons are patient, they could get a guy who is an Andrew Whitworth type.
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| Im not saying he is going to be great by any means I think he could be very good but you guys are straight up giving up on a guy before you have really seen anything on him... From everything I read he is GREAT at pass blocking and if we can get him to keep driving his feet then he might be able to pick up the run blocking too... |
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coors
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| scar988 wrote: | | I had him rated 186 overall. He's a hell of a pass blocker but a complete project in run blocking. If Falcons are patient, they could get a guy who is an Andrew Whitworth type. |
and thats exactly what I'm trying to get at.. like you said "if we are patient" we could possibly get an average starter.. my question and wonder is that why are we taking a total project OT when we have numerous other holes, having a bunch of very solid players still on the board who would be able to compete and get on the field wayyyy earlier than Holmes will. We want to win now, and we have holes to feed now, why are we taking someone in the 3rd round that MAY be good down the road.. when we already are short in draft picks..
I just think that with that 3rd rounder and few draft picks total, we would have gone after someone that would be able to step in and play for us as a rookie while filling a need.. after we take an OG (a good one, I thought it was a good pick) I would have gone after another area other than OL..
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| coors wrote: | | scar988 wrote: | | I had him rated 186 overall. He's a hell of a pass blocker but a complete project in run blocking. If Falcons are patient, they could get a guy who is an Andrew Whitworth type. |
and thats exactly what I'm trying to get at.. like you said "if we are patient" we could possibly get an average starter.. my question and wonder is that why are we taking a total project OT when we have numerous other holes, having a bunch of very solid players still on the board who would be able to compete and get on the field wayyyy earlier than Holmes will. We want to win now, and we have holes to feed now, why are we taking someone in the 3rd round that MAY be good down the road.. when we already are short in draft picks..
I just think that with that 3rd rounder and few draft picks total, we would have gone after someone that would be able to step in and play for us as a rookie while filling a need.. after we take an OG (a good one, I thought it was a good pick) I would have gone after another area other than OL.. |
Whitworth is the most underrated left tackle in the NFL. Holmes could plug right in as an instant upgrade in pass protection. He's also a big guy with a mean streak (as is Konz). you put 5 guys out there with mean streaks and you are going to have the line called "dirty" again.
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| scar988 wrote: | | coors wrote: | | scar988 wrote: | | I had him rated 186 overall. He's a hell of a pass blocker but a complete project in run blocking. If Falcons are patient, they could get a guy who is an Andrew Whitworth type. |
and thats exactly what I'm trying to get at.. like you said "if we are patient" we could possibly get an average starter.. my question and wonder is that why are we taking a total project OT when we have numerous other holes, having a bunch of very solid players still on the board who would be able to compete and get on the field wayyyy earlier than Holmes will. We want to win now, and we have holes to feed now, why are we taking someone in the 3rd round that MAY be good down the road.. when we already are short in draft picks..
I just think that with that 3rd rounder and few draft picks total, we would have gone after someone that would be able to step in and play for us as a rookie while filling a need.. after we take an OG (a good one, I thought it was a good pick) I would have gone after another area other than OL.. |
Whitworth is the most underrated left tackle in the NFL. Holmes could plug right in as an instant upgrade in pass protection. He's also a big guy with a mean streak (as is Konz). you put 5 guys out there with mean streaks and you are going to have the line called "dirty" again. |
Scar you may like the player but you cannot like the value. That is the major issue here. I am not ticked off that we drafted Lamar Holmes. I have said before I am ticked off we drafted Lamar Holmes in round 3. Did anyone hear Bill Polian give his 2 minute snapshot about what round 3 is all about. Great quick insight into the mind of a GM. In round 3 you take scheme specific players that can be impact guys. You never ever reach for need in round 3 because if you do you can get seriously burned. Draft the best player on the board that fits your scheme and can make an impact. That is the exact opposite of what we did last night. We reached for a major need by selecting a player TD and company obviously "loved" otherwise they never would have taken him. Problem is guys like this never become diamonds in the rough. Its like a 1 in a 100 chance this guy develops into a proven LT. Best case scenario we have a reserve swing OT. Something we do not need at all. Should have rolled the dice and waited until round 5 TD. I am not behind this pick at all strictly from a value standpoint. Have to do a better job. On the optimistic side if he turns out to be our starting LT and is solid I will personally write you all an apology. But I'll go with the 99% chance that does not happen.
Remember guys its not the player sometimes its when the player was taken. Round 3? C'mon TD. |
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