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diamondbull424
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
I disagree. You can improve a receivers catching consistency, but usually guys are either naturals or they are not naturals. Streeter doesn't look like a natural catcher and I think he will always struggle with that consistency... even Torrey struggled and with Torrey I never really recalled catching at the collegiate level to be a big issue with him, it was the fact that his hands were burger king commercial small and he was following DHB into the pros and with DHB's catching issues (a guy who I'd compare Streeter to in catching ability) many questioned if Torrey Smith wouldn't be the same. But while Torrey's hands are big enough for those naturally highlight type catches, he is usually pretty good with what he has to work with... he's just not consistent because of it. It takes more concentration for him to get it right than for guys with bigger hands.
In terms of teaching technique and everything else... I'd agree. That can definitely be taught especially considering how young Streeter is and how he seemed to be developing as a receiver in Miami. This IMO is one of those baseball-esq picks where you send a guy down to the minor leagues to develop and comeback as a beast.
Well we obviously won't be sending Streeter to the practice squad or to Europe or something, but he'll get a chance to pick up the technique and learn how to play faster... and he'll be used in niche packages. Since Lee Evans really didn't play for most of the season last year, gaining another speed threat over what we had in last year's regular season is just straight addition for the most part.
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
Yep, which is why Clarence Moore was such a stud for us, right? |
Streeter is faster than Moore and Moore had Kyle Boller throwing him the football, nuff said. The Ravens have a better QB now and Streeter can learn from Boldin and Torrey Smith, Moore didn't have a quality veteran WR he could learn from. |
"Learning" from a veteran is overrated. Sure, they can learn small intracacies and how to be a professional, but they can't teach you to become a WR.
And Kyle Boller had nothing to do with Moore dropping passes left and right.
Bottom line: Measurables mean nothing if you can't catch the ball, and while I like Streeter and hope he develops, simply looking past nearly every single thing that makes a good WR good and saying "Oh, he can just learn that" is just unrealistic. If it was so easy to learn catching, route running, blocking and to beat the press, all WRs in the league would be elite.
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FlaccoForever
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
Yep, which is why Clarence Moore was such a stud for us, right? |
Streeter is faster than Moore and Moore had Kyle Boller throwing him the football, nuff said. The Ravens have a better QB now and Streeter can learn from Boldin and Torrey Smith, Moore didn't have a quality veteran WR he could learn from. |
"Learning" from a veteran is overrated. Sure, they can learn small intracacies and how to be a professional, but they can't teach you to become a WR.
And Kyle Boller had nothing to do with Moore dropping passes left and right.
Bottom line: Measurables mean nothing if you can't catch the ball, and while I like Streeter and hope he develops, simply looking past nearly every single thing that makes a good WR good and saying "Oh, he can just learn that" is just unrealistic. If it was so easy to learn catching, route running, blocking and to beat the press, all WRs in the league would be elite. |
I never said it was going to be easy for Streeter and we can't ignore the possible negatives, lets see how he develops. I just don't like hearing Clarence Moore's name as it relates to Streeter, I'm not saying you were comparing the two but a few blowhard fans on the radio were. |
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
Yep, which is why Clarence Moore was such a stud for us, right? |
Streeter is faster than Moore and Moore had Kyle Boller throwing him the football, nuff said. The Ravens have a better QB now and Streeter can learn from Boldin and Torrey Smith, Moore didn't have a quality veteran WR he could learn from. |
"Learning" from a veteran is overrated. Sure, they can learn small intracacies and how to be a professional, but they can't teach you to become a WR.
And Kyle Boller had nothing to do with Moore dropping passes left and right.
Bottom line: Measurables mean nothing if you can't catch the ball, and while I like Streeter and hope he develops, simply looking past nearly every single thing that makes a good WR good and saying "Oh, he can just learn that" is just unrealistic. If it was so easy to learn catching, route running, blocking and to beat the press, all WRs in the league would be elite. |
I never said it was going to be easy for Streeter and we can't ignore the possible negatives, lets see how he develops. I just don't like hearing Clarence Moore's name as it relates to Streeter, I'm not saying you were comparing the two but a few blowhard fans on the radio were. |
Oh no, I'm not trying to compare the two.
I brought up Moore as an example to dispute how easily SnA made it seem like you can just teach a WR to do pretty much everything he should have learned over the last 12+ years of his life. Can he improve? Absolutely. Could he turn out to be a stud? Absolutely. But teaching a guy how to play WR isn't NEARLY as easy as he made it sound. If it were, we'd see all kinds of track stars just come to the NFL and become good WRs.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
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Baltimore Pride
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
Yep, which is why Clarence Moore was such a stud for us, right? |
Streeter is faster than Moore and Moore had Kyle Boller throwing him the football, nuff said. The Ravens have a better QB now and Streeter can learn from Boldin and Torrey Smith, Moore didn't have a quality veteran WR he could learn from. |
"Learning" from a veteran is overrated. Sure, they can learn small intracacies and how to be a professional, but they can't teach you to become a WR.
And Kyle Boller had nothing to do with Moore dropping passes left and right.
Bottom line: Measurables mean nothing if you can't catch the ball, and while I like Streeter and hope he develops, simply looking past nearly every single thing that makes a good WR good and saying "Oh, he can just learn that" is just unrealistic. If it was so easy to learn catching, route running, blocking and to beat the press, all WRs in the league would be elite. |
I agree for the most part. I mean if it were that simple to teach someone to catch we would've done so with Justin Harper, who had great measurables and got amazing separation. Hopefully Streeter doesn't follow the same path as Harper did though.
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| Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Flaccomania wrote: | | FlaccoForever wrote: | | Flaccomania wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | Getting this kind of guy in the 6th round is a ridiculous steal IMHO.
I could care less about his hands, I mean we all said "Torrey Smith can't catch" last year and look what happened. It was a pretty much non issue, especially near the end of the year.
You can teach a guy to catch, run routes, block, beat the press, but you can't teach him how to get taller and teach them the intangibles.
Love this pick, and I look forward to seeing how Streeter fits in to our scheme, especially with his size/speed combo! |
Yep, which is why Clarence Moore was such a stud for us, right? |
Streeter is faster than Moore and Moore had Kyle Boller throwing him the football, nuff said. The Ravens have a better QB now and Streeter can learn from Boldin and Torrey Smith, Moore didn't have a quality veteran WR he could learn from. |
"Learning" from a veteran is overrated. Sure, they can learn small intracacies and how to be a professional, but they can't teach you to become a WR.
And Kyle Boller had nothing to do with Moore dropping passes left and right.
Bottom line: Measurables mean nothing if you can't catch the ball, and while I like Streeter and hope he develops, simply looking past nearly every single thing that makes a good WR good and saying "Oh, he can just learn that" is just unrealistic. If it was so easy to learn catching, route running, blocking and to beat the press, all WRs in the league would be elite. |
To add to this, when exactly has that method ever actually worked for this team? Torrey Smith looks like he's the first reciever ever drafted by the Ravens that isn't a total dissapointment. Did Clayton or D. Williams ever learn from Mason? Obviously not. The coaches need to step up their game if we want Streeter to ever be a bonafide starter. Not saying he can't become one, but he was obviously drafted in the 6th round for a reason.
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Dolphins82
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This is a huge steal for you guys. Was wishing MIA would'be got him but a las, Miami is Miami... 
While he was with the Canes, the first couple of years, Shannon refused to use him, even though the times he did see PT, he looked like he was better than the WRs in front of him. And the year that he did play, Jacory Harris is like anchor for offensive players draft stock.
One thing is people know he's fast.
But it's a deceptive speed and quickness.
He's gonna be a top 20 WR SOON. Cam Cameron better use him right (oh how I detest that man)
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| Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Dolphins82 wrote: | This is a huge steal for you guys. Was wishing MIA would'be got him but a las, Miami is Miami...
While he was with the Canes, the first couple of years, Shannon refused to use him, even though the times he did see PT, he looked like he was better than the WRs in front of him. And the year that he did play, Jacory Harris is like anchor for offensive players draft stock.
One thing is people know he's fast.
But it's a deceptive speed and quickness.
He's gonna be a top 20 WR SOON. Cam Cameron better use him right (oh how I detest that man) |
Usually I would say "Cam Cameron doesn't use ANYONE right..." however, when I say that it's because Cam literally just sends all WR's deep on every play, so I think Streeter will fit right in 
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | Dolphins82 wrote: | This is a huge steal for you guys. Was wishing MIA would'be got him but a las, Miami is Miami...
While he was with the Canes, the first couple of years, Shannon refused to use him, even though the times he did see PT, he looked like he was better than the WRs in front of him. And the year that he did play, Jacory Harris is like anchor for offensive players draft stock.
One thing is people know he's fast.
But it's a deceptive speed and quickness.
He's gonna be a top 20 WR SOON. Cam Cameron better use him right (oh how I detest that man) |
Usually I would say "Cam Cameron doesn't use ANYONE right..." however, when I say that it's because Cam literally just sends all WR's deep on every play, so I think Streeter will fit right in |
Yea, he definitely fits the mold of what Cameron likes in a WR, so we could be seeing Streeter earlier and more often than we might otherwise have expected. Would mind seeing some plays with Streeter and Smith on the outside, with Boldin working in the slot. Rice in the backfield and Pitta/Dickson at TE or Leach back as a lead blocker/pass protector (and occasional receiver).
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | Dolphins82 wrote: | This is a huge steal for you guys. Was wishing MIA would'be got him but a las, Miami is Miami...
While he was with the Canes, the first couple of years, Shannon refused to use him, even though the times he did see PT, he looked like he was better than the WRs in front of him. And the year that he did play, Jacory Harris is like anchor for offensive players draft stock.
One thing is people know he's fast.
But it's a deceptive speed and quickness.
He's gonna be a top 20 WR SOON. Cam Cameron better use him right (oh how I detest that man) |
Usually I would say "Cam Cameron doesn't use ANYONE right..." however, when I say that it's because Cam literally just sends all WR's deep on every play, so I think Streeter will fit right in |
He could still use him entirely on end-arounds
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| drd23 wrote: | | SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | Dolphins82 wrote: | This is a huge steal for you guys. Was wishing MIA would'be got him but a las, Miami is Miami...
While he was with the Canes, the first couple of years, Shannon refused to use him, even though the times he did see PT, he looked like he was better than the WRs in front of him. And the year that he did play, Jacory Harris is like anchor for offensive players draft stock.
One thing is people know he's fast.
But it's a deceptive speed and quickness.
He's gonna be a top 20 WR SOON. Cam Cameron better use him right (oh how I detest that man) |
Usually I would say "Cam Cameron doesn't use ANYONE right..." however, when I say that it's because Cam literally just sends all WR's deep on every play, so I think Streeter will fit right in |
He could still use him entirely on end-arounds |
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^^^^^ hilarity. That should be kept in full rotation around these parts haha.
But hopefully at 6'5" and a slim frame, even Cam Cameron wouldn't be foolish enough to have him doing end-arounds..
Personally I'm more worried about Streeter experiencing the Justin Harper effect. From looking at that video story on Streeter he didn't seem like a very "confident" receiver. And with him leaving early for school, I have to question his motovation. I'm hoping he proves my doubts wrong and gives us the deep threat opposite Torrey that we need to truly open up this offensive attack.
If he can defvelop his hands and build up his confidence, he could be what we need. I still wouldn't trust him to catch a game winner, but open up the offense enough... And hopefully he won't have to, hopefully we'll just thrash up on everyone.
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| diamondbull424 wrote: | ^^^^^ hilarity. That should be kept in full rotation around these parts haha.
But hopefully at 6'5" and a slim frame, even Cam Cameron wouldn't be foolish enough to have him doing end-arounds..
Personally I'm more worried about Streeter experiencing the Justin Harper effect. From looking at that video story on Streeter he didn't seem like a very "confident" receiver. And with him leaving early for school, I have to question his motovation. I'm hoping he proves my doubts wrong and gives us the deep threat opposite Torrey that we need to truly open up this offensive attack.
If he can defvelop his hands and build up his confidence, he could be what we need. I still wouldn't trust him to catch a game winner, but open up the offense enough... And hopefully he won't have to, hopefully we'll just thrash up on everyone. |
Well he's been working out with Ray (according to Streeter's twitter page, tstreeter8) so if there is one guy from the "U" who can get another guy from the "U" to play up to his potential it's Ray. Streeter has to work on the fundamentals but it helps that Ray has taken him under his wing. |
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