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shoffma1999
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When you look at all the good teams in the league they build through the draft. If you look at the Holmgren and Heckert regime; we have drafted a total of 27 players (8 in 2010, 8 in 2011, and 11 in 2012), and of these players 14 are still on the team and 11 will be rookies. Assuming the vast majority of our picks this year make the team, we are batting an extremely high percentage on our draft picks remaining on this team. How many years have we had entire drafts wasted with only one or two guys sticking with the team for any appreciable amount of time.
I think there is a distinct possibility we are in the playoff mix next year (2013-2014 season). This year I think we will still be mediocre because of our tough schedule, but Weeden will likely show some promise, and we will probably see some of our other picks flash some potential (Skrine, Hagg, Cameron, Mitchell, etc.). I think this year we will be relatively competitive. My realistic hopes for this year are that we end up with a pick outside the top 10 and have some players come out of the woodwork and show some promise.
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I have to agree with you.
Its about time that we start drafting our own talent. Theproblem with Browns fans is that we want to run everyone off after one bad pass or whatever.
We NEVER give anyone any sort of chance (except for lil baby dreads) to develop nor do we EVER give a regime a chance to implement any sort of change. Just like now..... Just because H and H didnt draft the the exact way that many fans would have, many fans are ready to run them off too.
Lets see how the draft class plays out. Was it sexy? No. But we got a new work horse RB and a QB that should have the maturity to step in and start from day one. We also got two O linemen that are going to shore up the line and hopefully open up gaping holes for TRich to walk through and keep Weeden vertical and clean. |
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on building the right way, i wonder if these last few drafts will will make it more attractive to free agents?
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FLAbrownfan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: We are Building the Right Way! |
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| shoffma1999 wrote: | When you look at all the good teams in the league they build through the draft. If you look at the Holmgren and Heckert regime; we have drafted a total of 27 players (8 in 2010, 8 in 2011, and 11 in 2012), and of these players 14 are still on the team and 11 will be rookies. Assuming the vast majority of our picks this year make the team, we are batting an extremely high percentage on our draft picks remaining on this team. How many years have we had entire drafts wasted with only one or two guys sticking with the team for any appreciable amount of time.
I think there is a distinct possibility we are in the playoff mix next year (2013-2014 season). This year I think we will still be mediocre because of our tough schedule, but Weeden will likely show some promise, and we will probably see some of our other picks flash some potential (Skrine, Hagg, Cameron, Mitchell, etc.). I think this year we will be relatively competitive. My realistic hopes for this year are that we end up with a pick outside the top 10 and have some players come out of the woodwork and show some promise. |
If Cameron and mitchell can make a stride this year I can see us being really competitive... Now I do hope we take chances and not just play it safe with the play calls (having an OC should help) this schedule in front of us is tough, and we don't know what we have from our rookies just yet, but as you mentioned our drafts are giving us a solid core to build around, from this draft I think we solved one of the biggest problems we had and that was depth on the DL and a RT.
We still have holes for sure, and if our first round players, cough cough weeden, don't work out then we will still be far away, however I would say that we are knocking on the door- - I agree with you shoffma that by 2014 we could be a playoff squad.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | on building the right way, i wonder if these last few drafts will will make it more attractive to free agents? |
I think we've gotten better, I don't know about the market for marquee players, but we certainly should be able to attract young and fringe starters. We'll give them the chance to compete for a starting position and because we're a pretty young team, some of these guys may seriously look good. |
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FLAbrownfan
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | on building the right way, i wonder if these last few drafts will will make it more attractive to free agents? |
Eventually yes, but if we can continue to draft well and get a steal here and there, then hopefully we can keep our talent in house and not have to over pay for free agents unless we are ever "one guy away"
I am pretty stoked about our draft, although we did not follow my plans 
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shoffma1999
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When you look at this draft in depth, and compare it to what could have been the case; what would you rather have:
Hypothetical Scenario:
1.) Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3.) Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss (I give him instead of Hughes since they prioritized RT)
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
Remember, we would be operating without a 2013 1st rounder
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1a.) Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
1b.) Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma St.
2.) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal
3.) John Hughes, DT Cincinnati
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
With a 2013 1st intact. Call me crazy but I absolutely love our draft when you compare what could have been. I like RGII and all, but I think his bust factor is high, and trading those picks would have been a huge risk. Particularly if RGIII had been drafted to the AFC North, where I am not entirely sure he would hold up and stay healthy for a 16 game season on a regular basis. I think we dodged a bullet and have improved this team quite a bit.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | on building the right way, i wonder if these last few drafts will will make it more attractive to free agents? |
Comes down to how well Weeden performs, IMO. QB is the first thing potential free agents look at. This is why no WR would sign here this offseason, because Colt McCoy got people concussed with his late reads and floaters. |
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FLAbrownfan
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| shoffma1999 wrote: | When you look at this draft in depth, and compare it to what could have been the case; what would you rather have:
Hypothetical Scenario:
1.) Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3.) Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss (I give him instead of Hughes since they prioritized RT)
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
Remember, we would be operating without a 2013 1st rounder
or
1a.) Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
1b.) Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma St.
2.) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal
3.) John Hughes, DT Cincinnati
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
With a 2013 1st intact. Call me crazy but I absolutely love our draft when you compare what could have been. I like RGII and all, but I think his bust factor is high, and trading those picks would have been a huge risk. Particularly if RGIII had been drafted to the AFC North, where I am not entirely sure he would hold up and stay healthy for a 16 game season on a regular basis. I think we dodged a bullet and have improved this team quite a bit. |
That's hard to answer, to be honest we could have gotten Lamar miller in the third and a RT in the 4th, then maybe traded for Jacoby Jones for a WR.... However the more I watch Trent Richardson and weeden we may be better off with them but I would probably have gone with the RG3 route and just change up the late round picks....
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shoffma1999
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| FLAbrownfan wrote: | | shoffma1999 wrote: | When you look at this draft in depth, and compare it to what could have been the case; what would you rather have:
Hypothetical Scenario:
1.) Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3.) Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss (I give him instead of Hughes since they prioritized RT)
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
Remember, we would be operating without a 2013 1st rounder
or
1a.) Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
1b.) Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma St.
2.) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal
3.) John Hughes, DT Cincinnati
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
With a 2013 1st intact. Call me crazy but I absolutely love our draft when you compare what could have been. I like RGII and all, but I think his bust factor is high, and trading those picks would have been a huge risk. Particularly if RGIII had been drafted to the AFC North, where I am not entirely sure he would hold up and stay healthy for a 16 game season on a regular basis. I think we dodged a bullet and have improved this team quite a bit. |
That's hard to answer, to be honest we could have gotten Lamar miller in the third and a RT in the 4th, then maybe traded for Jacoby Jones for a WR.... However the more I watch Trent Richardson and weeden we may be better off with them but I would probably have gone with the RG3 route and just change up the late round picks.... |
I get what you are saying, but something is telling me Heckert wouldn't have changed picks much. We turned in most of our cards in a split second, so I am thinking he had clear guys who were BPA on his board. I doubt he would have "reached" for a need (i.e. going off his board).
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| shoffma1999 wrote: | | FLAbrownfan wrote: | | shoffma1999 wrote: | When you look at this draft in depth, and compare it to what could have been the case; what would you rather have:
Hypothetical Scenario:
1.) Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3.) Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss (I give him instead of Hughes since they prioritized RT)
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
Remember, we would be operating without a 2013 1st rounder
or
1a.) Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
1b.) Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma St.
2.) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal
3.) John Hughes, DT Cincinnati
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
With a 2013 1st intact. Call me crazy but I absolutely love our draft when you compare what could have been. I like RGII and all, but I think his bust factor is high, and trading those picks would have been a huge risk. Particularly if RGIII had been drafted to the AFC North, where I am not entirely sure he would hold up and stay healthy for a 16 game season on a regular basis. I think we dodged a bullet and have improved this team quite a bit. |
That's hard to answer, to be honest we could have gotten Lamar miller in the third and a RT in the 4th, then maybe traded for Jacoby Jones for a WR.... However the more I watch Trent Richardson and weeden we may be better off with them but I would probably have gone with the RG3 route and just change up the late round picks.... |
I get what you are saying, but something is telling me Heckert wouldn't have changed picks much. We turned in most of our cards in a split second, so I am thinking he had clear guys who were BPA on his board. I doubt he would have "reached" for a need (i.e. going off his board). |
I agree I am happy that we didn't give that much up for RG3 plus I really like the two OL guys we brought in.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| shoffma1999 wrote: | When you look at this draft in depth, and compare it to what could have been the case; what would you rather have:
Hypothetical Scenario:
1.) Robert Griffin III, QB Baylor
3.) Bobbie Massie, OT Ole Miss (I give him instead of Hughes since they prioritized RT)
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
Remember, we would be operating without a 2013 1st rounder
or
1a.) Trent Richardson, RB Alabama
1b.) Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma St.
2.) Mitchell Schwartz, OT Cal
3.) John Hughes, DT Cincinnati
4a.) Travis Benjamin, WR Miami
4b.) James-Michael Johnson, LB Nevada
5.) Ryan Miller, OG Colorado
6a.) Emmanuel Acho, LB Texas
6b.) Billy Winn, DT Boise St.
7a.) Trevin Wade, CB Arizona
7b.) Brad Smelley, TE Alabama
With a 2013 1st intact. Call me crazy but I absolutely love our draft when you compare what could have been. I like RGII and all, but I think his bust factor is high, and trading those picks would have been a huge risk. Particularly if RGIII had been drafted to the AFC North, where I am not entirely sure he would hold up and stay healthy for a 16 game season on a regular basis. I think we dodged a bullet and have improved this team quite a bit. |
Basically comes down to whether or not RGIII lives up to the hype. If he's a HoFer, then you still make that trade 10 times out of 10 - even if our draft ends up being a stacked class, you always want the franchise QB. And I think even our most optimistic fans can see that Weeden's ceiling isn't close to Griffin's.
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I think we are too honestly. I mean some players we got arent perfect and I think we could've gotten more "talent" but we had to hit at certain positions. Schwartz mightve been a reach but hes gonna be solid for years thats what we need we couldnt afford to take a gamble like Pitt and get Adams we needed a for sure starter.
Hughes idk I dont have an excuse for that one, but the rest of the picks I really like especially when you look at the entire draft.
I think the reason we didnt get a receiver is because they want another superstar across from Little so I wouldnt be surprised for sure if next year we finally went receiver in the first.
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Which pick was to cover mistakes????
We have no RB and we drafted the best one since AP.
We wanted to upgrade QB so we got the best passer we have probably had in 10 years.
Hughes was a crazy weird pick and by most accounts a reach.
I'm not sure what else you want.
Most picks after the 2-3 are depth and a few become starters or can contribute.
Trent, Weeden and Schwartz start immediately. Hughes will get plenty of snaps due to our starters getting worn down at the end of games.
Benjamin probably will do return duty and be our deep threat.
Johnson probably starts when Fujita is out and could be a long term starter.
Miller could probably start now and has great upside.
I just don't know what else you want.
If your so negative and think we did so bad than just stop posting about it. You can't change it and your clearly in the minority on this board as far as grading our draft.
Must suck [inappropriate/removed] to always be negative about everything.
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