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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:56 am    Post subject: Bryan Anger - 3rd Round Punter Reply with quote

Anyone else think this might turn out to be a really good pick?

Looking back, it appears a lot of sites, draftniks and scouts had this guy pegged as a 3rd/4th rounder. It's probably not the shock we thought it was. Reading up on the guy, he could be the best punter prospect for a generation. He takes punting to an exact science in the same way some of the great QB's did with their position. He can boom it (60 yard average at the Shrine game), he can kick-off, he can increase hang-time if needed, he can drop it on a dime within behind the 20, which is his real expertise. He was awarded a most valuable freshman award, during his time at Cal - where their coach identified him as the reason for their improvement.

Anyone who watched the Superbowl, will have seen how important Steve Weatherford was to that team. If Jacksonville are expecting to punt the ball a lot next year, why not turn that into a tactical advantage?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it was a solid move in general. I didn't know enough about him to be critical one way or another on Anger specifically but I agree that people are overly dismissive of the position. How many teams would gladly spend a first rounder if you could guarantee Lechler 2.0 or even a prime Scifers (who singlehandedly beat Peyton Manning in a playoff game)? Now I wouldn't spend a first without that guarantee but looking across the league, the era of plentiful quality kickers off the street is long gone. There is a dearth of kickers right now and teams are taking on retreads just to hold fort. Now guys like Buehler prove that they can bust too but its not a terrible idea.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


This is not true at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrry32 wrote:
The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


This is not true at all.


This guy obviously doesn't watch enough football. Andy Lee was the 2nd most important part of that 49ers team. I believe San Fran's opponents had the worst starting field position in the NFL. The dude kicks it 50 yards every time with hang-time, returners have no chance to make plays. If there was an Andy Lee available in the 3rd round, then I would trade up to get him.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


Wait what?

The Packers suffered from horrible play at punter for a long time before Masthay came along, and I remember a couple seasons ago when Matt Dodge single handily screwed the Giants over time and time again. I'm sure there are plenty more examples of teams having at least a noticeable "detriment" as you say.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.
lolwut? take andy lee off the niners roster and they'd have at least 2 more losses last season
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


Not a 3rd, but it's not like punters are completely worthless. Having a guy that can get good hangtime can be very important to your ST. It might not result in splash plays often, but it's more of a incremental thing, the extra yards pile up over the season.

But I agree, a 3rd is waaaay overdrafted.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me personally, I liked the pick. The kid is going to quickly join the upper-tier of punters in the league. His impact will be felt almost immediately by the Jags.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who thinks punters aren't important haven't had Matt Turk on their roster.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I laughed at the pick but if Anger ends up being an elite Punter, it's a fine pick. The Jaguars run a very specialized directional Punting scheme and need a Punter with an accurate leg so he can place it where he's asked to best utilize their great gunners. If Anger is that guy, it will give their defense a major field position upper hand which makes a HUGE difference.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


You're going to get a bunch of posts telling you how wrong you are, but you're completely right. Field position is generally overrated by the people who gush about how important it is, and even so the difference between punters on a team to team basis really isn't much. It's not quite as narrow as it is for kickers, but it's still enough where the difference between Shane Lechler an a league average punter isn't going to make much of a difference for your team over the course of a typical game.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone loves to take shots at teams who make these 'WTF' picks but this could honestly turn out to be a steal.

Jags are obviously not 'powerhouses' on offense or defense so why not try and become elite at the ST aspect of the game?

Granted, the Raiders have had 2 of the best P/K for years and haven't really had much success as a result. The Jags are obviously trying to give Gabbert as much help as possible and if Anger can come in an help with the field position battle, it will certainly ease the pressure off Gabbert who was having to start from the 20 pretty much every single possession.

The only issue is, Anger has as much chance at busting as other highly drafted ST'ers like Alex Henery (who has done pretty well) and David Buelher (who busted, hard), its just as much as a gamble as taking any other position, but because of positional value, people want to bash the pick.
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GaTechRavens wrote:
The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


You're going to get a bunch of posts telling you how wrong you are, but you're completely right. Field position is generally overrated by the people who gush about how important it is, and even so the difference between punters on a team to team basis really isn't much. It's not quite as narrow as it is for kickers, but it's still enough where the difference between Shane Lechler an a league average punter isn't going to make much of a difference for your team over the course of a typical game.


As a Pats fan whose entire SB was ruined by Steve Weatherford moreso than Eli Manning, I can tell you that in the games that are as close as they are in the PO's or SB, field position is very important.
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TomRalph wrote:
GaTechRavens wrote:
The-Beast wrote:
League average punting has evolved to the point to where just about everybody can do it well enough to not be considered a detriment. Making the importance of eliteness at the position meaningless. No punter is worth a 3rd in todays NFL when the difference in ability in miniscule.


You're going to get a bunch of posts telling you how wrong you are, but you're completely right. Field position is generally overrated by the people who gush about how important it is, and even so the difference between punters on a team to team basis really isn't much. It's not quite as narrow as it is for kickers, but it's still enough where the difference between Shane Lechler an a league average punter isn't going to make much of a difference for your team over the course of a typical game.


As a Pats fan whose entire SB was ruined by Steve Weatherford moreso than Eli Manning, I can tell you that in the games that are as close as they are in the PO's or SB, field position is very important.


Isn't everything that occurs on every single play very important, though? Sure, you could say that field position from the punting game made the difference. But so did a missed block on any particular running play, or a defensive end setting the edge perfectly, or a wrong route, or a jam that takes the receiver out of a play. People talk about putting being one of the "little things" that makes a big impact, but what about things like that which turned what could have been big plays into routine ones? When you consider every single game changing play/non-play, does the punting game really reach the top of the list in terms of impact? I wouldn't say so, personally.
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