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incognito_man
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| Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Have you?
I watched whatever clips are available of him. He looks like a guy who's played football for one year. LOOOOONNNGGG way to go. Maybe 3-4 years down the road he develops into something. I hope so, if it's with us. But I doubt it. |
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BobSacamano
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| Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
I go to school with him, dudes got a lot of work to do.
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HokieHigh
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| ajhawk5047 wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
He's very raw. Only played one year of college football I believe.
I HIGHLY doubt we trade JJ. Like someone said earlier, he's cheap and provides solid depth. I do think that Jones will leave after his contract is up, and that is why we drafted Cobb. He'll be our number 3 guy.
The real controversy right now is whether or not Driver stays on the team. Depending on how much Gurley/Borel progressed from last year, I could see them going either way. I think that the Packer value Gurley more than borel due to his size and special teams value. Even he could play the same role as Jones does if he leaves.
Driver isn't the player he used to be, but he provides a ton of leadership and is a fan favorite. If we keep him and cut Gurley, I doubt Gurley will stay on the practice squad another year. I could even see the Packer keeping 6 WR and getting rid of a TE.
The biggest question mark is Moss. He definitely has a lot of potential, especially with that size/speed combo. Unfortunately, I just don't see any way he makes the roster without injuries to all the guys in front of him. I could see the Packers paying him extra to stay on the practice squad, just like Gurley last year. |
I don't see Gurley as very capable of filling Jones' role. He reminds me a lot more of Ruvell Martin with a little bit better body control in the air. Perhaps he could be the threat within the 5 yard line that Martin never seemed to become. Solid blocker, probably better than where Jones is even at this point in his career. Jones is a little shiftier and probably better at taking on the press and stretching the field. Someone on here (I think it was Palmy) said that one of Jones' biggest pitfalls is that he fights it over the shoulder a bit too much. I haven't seen enough to be able to compare Gurley to him in that aspect.
Thats my take on it at this point at least. I'm sure others have more to add than that. |
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Packerfaninmn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Do you think that the other 31 GM's had no idea who this guy was and he just fell into TT's lap? He's not a secret, he is a project. |
32 GM's have missed before. Nick Collins, Willie Parker, heck, Victor Cruz just recently. Many solid, dynamic players go undrafted. Especially from smaller programs.
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smetana34
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: The future of the WR corps |
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Jennings/Nelson/Cobb/Gurley/Borel/Moss going forward. |
Yuck. Getting rid of two proven WR's (granted one is aged) just so we can see what 3 projects and a 2nd year player can do? Thanks but no thanks.
If Jennings or Nelson went down, I'd feel more comfortable with Jones replacing them than one of Gurley, Borel, or Moss.
I don't get the appeal of ridding ourselves of Jones. |
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smetana34
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Packerfaninmn wrote: | | HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Do you think that the other 31 GM's had no idea who this guy was and he just fell into TT's lap? He's not a secret, he is a project. |
32 GM's have missed before. Nick Collins, Willie Parker, heck, Victor Cruz just recently. Many solid, dynamic players go undrafted. Especially from smaller programs. |
And it took all those guys a few years to break out. So like he said, they're projects. |
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Packerfaninmn
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| smetana34 wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Do you think that the other 31 GM's had no idea who this guy was and he just fell into TT's lap? He's not a secret, he is a project. |
32 GM's have missed before. Nick Collins, Willie Parker, heck, Victor Cruz just recently. Many solid, dynamic players go undrafted. Especially from smaller programs. |
And it took all those guys a few years to break out. So like he said, they're projects. |
What about Gates? Dude didn't even play college ball.
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IrishGreen
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like i said before, the only reason we signed dale moss is to maybe stash him on the practice squad for a couple of years than have him compete for driver's spot when he retires. he probably isn't ready for D1 football yet, much less the nfl. honestly, i think it's a stretch he even makes the practice squad.
you can't just moss kids at the DII level, have good measurables, and then expect to make an NFL roster, much one of the best rosters in the NFL at that rosters' deepest position
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Packerfaninmn
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Adam Vinatieri, UDFA, South Dakota st. Need I say more? 
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FrozenTundra
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I have to agree with the sentiment that Moss will be a project. The guy measures well, he's an athlete playing football. But is he a football-player? not yet. A lot of WR's coming in to the league from so-called "pro-systems" in college have a steep learning curve. There is more complexity to our route-tree and chemistry with the QB is a huge part of our offence. Just look at how Aaron, DD, Jordy and Greg play together vs. Jones/Finley and Aaron.
He's got exciting size/speed, but I doubt highly that he's prepared for the NFL. |
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fattlipp
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if he has hands hell make it in the nfl
6'4 215 4.45 41.5" vert, record cone drills
if al davis was still in the nfl, he would have been a 1st rounder.
he doenst need alot of skills with that athletism, hell fill role of randy moss,
just run a fly pattern and take 2 defenders out of the play every time, if draw 1v1 throw him a jump ball.
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HokieHigh
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Packerfaninmn wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Do you think that the other 31 GM's had no idea who this guy was and he just fell into TT's lap? He's not a secret, he is a project. |
32 GM's have missed before. Nick Collins, Willie Parker, heck, Victor Cruz just recently. Many solid, dynamic players go undrafted. Especially from smaller programs. |
And it took all those guys a few years to break out. So like he said, they're projects. |
What about Gates? Dude didn't even play college ball. |
Lets say there are 300 UDFA's per year. Over a 9 year span you have selected 4 players out of 2700. Thats .000015 (.0015%) of the players who saw UDFA contracts. And thats probably a pretty conservative denominator.
The most stellar of which, Antonio Gates (who shares a college basketball career in common), had an astounding 24 receptions for 389 yards and 2 touchdowns in his first year. |
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fattlipp
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| HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | smetana34 wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | HokieHigh wrote: | | Packerfaninmn wrote: | | incognito_man wrote: | I think that inevitably about 50% of the population here will be 'shocked' when we have the same 5 WRs as last year.
Dale Moss is AT MINIMUM 2 years away from even competing for a roster spot. |
Have you seen Moss play? |
Do you think that the other 31 GM's had no idea who this guy was and he just fell into TT's lap? He's not a secret, he is a project. |
32 GM's have missed before. Nick Collins, Willie Parker, heck, Victor Cruz just recently. Many solid, dynamic players go undrafted. Especially from smaller programs. |
And it took all those guys a few years to break out. So like he said, they're projects. |
What about Gates? Dude didn't even play college ball. |
Lets say there are 300 UDFA's per year. Over a 9 year span you have selected 4 players out of 2700. Thats .000015 (.0015%) of the players who saw UDFA contracts. And thats probably a pretty conservative denominator.
The most stellar of which, Antonio Gates (who shares a college basketball career in common), had an astounding 24 receptions for 389 yards and 2 touchdowns in his first year. |
actually its .15%
and there are over 100 undrafted players in the nfl
so over 4% of UFA's make teams.
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FrozenTundra
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LoL, are those combine numbers or Pro-Day?
| Quote: | he doenst need alot of skills with that athletism, hell fill role of randy moss,
just run a fly pattern and take 2 defenders out of the play every time, if draw 1v1 throw him a jump ball. |
That sounds like our offence right? sure that DC's across the league won't figure that out. |
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spilltray
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It's going to be the same 5 as last year. None of the projects on the roster are better right now than Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Cobb, Jones. If anything the fact that the Packers have 3 of them right now shows how easy it is to get a young guy with potential when Driver eventually does retire. Also, no one is going to trade anything for James Jones. He was a FA last year and no one was interested, so GB was able to sign him for a song. He was exactly what we expected for he most part last year and I just don't see any team giving up anything for that.
Lastly, 6 WR? Where is that roster spot coming from? I just don't see it.
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