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PrplChilPill
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | I havent warmed up to the selection of Walsh, but I would support cutting Longwell and getting some cap relief if Walsh shows great leg strength on kickoffs and is fairly consistent on FGs. |
Ya, I don't get why anyone wants to spend a lot of money on a kicker on this type of team....
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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we needed a kicker - not sure how strong of a leg he has or how well he can hit between the posts - seems to be good and bad with this kicker, but something has to give. #8 can not get the ball into and through the end zone to save his life.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| vike daddy wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | I wouldn't be too happy if I'm Longwell. The writing is on the wall for him. |
not necessarily. we've brought in a camp kicker every year to compete with Longwell and he's outlasted every one of them.
Blair might win this time, but it's not a given. |
True, but the NFL rules have changed, and Longwell is another year older. Its not like we are a playoff team that would be greatly affected by losing a veteran kicker. We're rebuilding, he'll turn 38 during training camp, and NFL rules have made kickoffs harder for him. |
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SteelKing728
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| vike daddy wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | I wouldn't be too happy if I'm Longwell. The writing is on the wall for him. |
not necessarily. we've brought in a camp kicker every year to compete with Longwell and he's outlasted every one of them.
Blair might win this time, but it's not a given. |
Was it legit competition though? Not that I can remember.
We had that guy from Carolina I think too years ago (Rhys Lloyd?) who could bomb kicks on kickoff, but with the rule change, does it really matter?
and what progression does Walsh need to make? If he didn't know how to kick Field Goals, he wouldn't have been picked in the 5th round. I'd cut Longwell and free up some cap for this team, and ride it out with Walsh, who should be fine kicking.
It'd see it as a terrible move if we kept 2 kickers. Lord knows we need all the help we can get on this team. To keep 1 purely for kicking off seems so silly.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | and what progression does Walsh need to make? |
well Steve, a great deal actually.
he needs to prove that his substandard 2011 season where his college coach almost replaced him was an anomaly, not the beginning of a trend.
Nate Kaeding was a great college kicker too, but hasn't done reliably well in the pros, particularly when it's clutch time.
did you actually post that just because a kicker was drafted in the 5th round then therefor he's a good one, and ready to replace an accurate veteran? plus, it was the 6th, i think.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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So Walsh's issues last year was consistency due to girl problems.
The Vikings need to make sure this guy has a lady by his side during the season. Man, kickers are mentally weak.  |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | So Walsh's issues last year was consistency due to girl problems.
The Vikings need to make sure this guy has a lady by his side during the season. Man, kickers are mentally weak. |
He just needs to hang out with Kluwe, then he will just become awesome and a great kicker. (FWIW, after reading his twitter, he seems like a REALLY nice guy lol)
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| vike daddy wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | and what progression does Walsh need to make? |
well Steve, a great deal actually.
he needs to prove that his substandard 2011 season where his college coach almost replaced him was an anomaly, not the beginning of a trend.
Nate Kaeding was a great college kicker too, but hasn't done reliably well in the pros, particularly when it's clutch time.
did you actually post that just because a kicker was drafted in the 5th round then therefor he's a good one, and ready to replace an accurate veteran? plus, it was the 6th, i think. |
I believe if he's drafted, obviously the team has some faith he can make an impact for them. You don't draft someone if you think they won't produce.
And looking at his position, I just don't see many other kickers really ever be "groomed". You go out there right away and show em what you got. Like I said, Its not like being a QB and sitting for 3 years before you really get your shot. The Kicker position doesn't seem to have that effect.
Longwell's game was in a decline last year. Maybe the statistics don't show it, but he didn't look the same, and him being 38 and Minnesota doing what they can to completely rebuild the roster, it goes against all logic to keep the decling Veteran, who I really don't think is all that important to this team anymore.
(I don't dislike Longwell. I'm just saying what I feel is the best for the franchise).
If you want to build a long term successful roster like the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Greenbay Packers, the New York Giants or the New England Patriots, you simply can't just throw away draft picks because one is too attached to a declining vet.
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| SteelKing728 wrote: | | vike daddy wrote: | | SteelKing728 wrote: | | and what progression does Walsh need to make? |
well Steve, a great deal actually.
he needs to prove that his substandard 2011 season where his college coach almost replaced him was an anomaly, not the beginning of a trend.
Nate Kaeding was a great college kicker too, but hasn't done reliably well in the pros, particularly when it's clutch time.
did you actually post that just because a kicker was drafted in the 5th round then therefor he's a good one, and ready to replace an accurate veteran? plus, it was the 6th, i think. |
I believe if he's drafted, obviously the team has some faith he can make an impact for them. You don't draft someone if you think they won't produce.
And looking at his position, I just don't see many other kickers really ever be "groomed". You go out there right away and show em what you got. Like I said, Its not like being a QB and sitting for 3 years before you really get your shot. The Kicker position doesn't seem to have that effect.
Longwell's game was in a decline last year. Maybe the statistics don't show it, but he didn't look the same, and him being 38 and Minnesota doing what they can to completely rebuild the roster, it goes against all logic to keep the decling Veteran, who I really don't think is all that important to this team anymore.
(I don't dislike Longwell. I'm just saying what I feel is the best for the franchise).
If you want to build a long term successful roster like the Pittsburgh Steelers, the Greenbay Packers, the New York Giants or the New England Patriots, you simply can't just throw away draft picks because one is too attached to a declining vet. |
Steve, i understand your, and the prevailing, attitude of letting Longwell go - due to age and salary. but the "logic" you use that Walsh is ready to supplant him is faulty.
you say Longwell's 2011 season declined last year. well, so did Walsh's, and far more than Longwell's did. nor has Walsh proven anything in the NFL, while Longwell certainly has. who does that give the advantage to so far?
you also use the logic that because a team invests a 6th round pick (#175) in a kicker, he must be somewhat worthy. whaat? teams invest #1 picks in players and they turn out to be ineffective.
some kickers don't make it in the NFL, they fail to make a team's final roster. it happens all the time and has happened to the Vikings before. so your complete faith that Walsh will be better than Longwell isn't based on anything tangible, nor does a comparison to the Steelers, Patriots, Packers, or Giants make any sense here.
all i'm saying is - examine your logic. it doesn't hold up.
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| honestly, i feel the odds of walsh supplanting longwell are slim as a rookie, that is why i question why the team used a draft pick on a kicker. if you want young competition, someone with a leg, sign that player after the draft. Walsh is not a good kicker prospect bottom line. being a reliable kicker is mostly mental, and Walsh has already shown he doesnt have mental toughness to ignore his issues in life and not allow them to interfere with his work. Walsh should not have been drafted due to these character flaws, the Vikings should not have used a pick on a kicker, let alone one who is extremely inconsistent. there was still a lot of talent on the board at pick 171. |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Walsh is not a good kicker prospect bottom line. being a reliable kicker is mostly mental, and Walsh has already shown he doesnt have mental toughness to ignore his issues in life and not allow them to interfere with his work. Walsh should not have been drafted due to these character flaws, |
eh, that might be an excessively harsh look at the young man.
the end of Walsh's 2011 season showed he regained his previous accuracy. he had an early and mid-season slump that was almost enough to have his coach... gotta say it... boot him, but it appears to be in the past now. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he's over what affected him so much earlier, and very much wants to start anew and make use of the opportunity in front of him.
he probably knows he only gets one chance with all the NFL teams, and this is it.
it's his accuracy he needs to prove is re-established. Kluwe takes field goal practice himself about once a month, to stay fresh and in case it's needed in a game. he's stated he has no problem with distance, but does with accuracy. that's where kickers make their paychecks, and what Walsh will need to prove.
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The thing is that Ryan Longwell is nearing the end of his career, and it may be worth it to go with a younger guy with a stronger leg. If Walsh doesn't pan out the Vikings can always find someone else to do the job in 2013. There's lots of good kickers out there.
The only real issue is that you have a lot of coaches and front office people whose jobs and careers are on the line this year, and they may not be all that keen on possibly losing games due to missed FGs. Then again, I don't see how it's any different from losing games due to long kick returns.
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| milanb wrote: | The thing is that Ryan Longwell is nearing the end of his career, and it may be worth it to go with a younger guy with a stronger leg. If Walsh doesn't pan out the Vikings can always find someone else to do the job in 2013. There's lots of good kickers out there.
The only real issue is that you have a lot of coaches and front office people whose jobs and careers are on the line this year, and they may not be all that keen on possibly losing games due to missed FGs. Then again, I don't see how it's any different from losing games due to long kick returns. |
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| milanb wrote: | | The thing is that Ryan Longwell is nearing the end of his career, and it may be worth it to go with a younger guy with a stronger leg. |
i totally agree. we just don't know if Walsh is that guy. fine with me if he is though, but he still has to earn it.
we're not yet like St Louis who drafted a kicker and cut their vet the next day.
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| Quote: | Rookie Blair Walsh has yet to hear from Ryan Longwell. That's not a shock given that Walsh, for all intents and purposes, is positioning himself to steal Longwell's job. The Vikings used a sixth-round selection to nab Walsh, confident the kicker out of Georgia can regain the form he showed in 2009 and '10 when he was an All-Southeastern Conference standout.
Frazier said Friday he didn't foresee keeping two kickers around. So let the competition begin.
Said Walsh: "You do what you know how to do and do what you've been doing for the last six or seven years. I'm confident in my abilities. We'll see how it all shakes out. Just being on the same field with [Longwell] and competing with him is an honor." |
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