Official 2012 NFL Draft Discussion Thread..

jpeter15 · Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 170

Saw this on the Ravens blog and thought it was interesting

Mr. X · Joined: 03 Sep 2005 Posts: 1820

Sessy · Joined: 05 Dec 2011 Posts: 69

The fact that you say Upshaw can only get one or two sacks a year just ended the discussion.

I don't know what analysis you're watching, but it isn't any of the dozens that I've seen, nor is it backed up by any film I've seen. The man isn't gonna get 12 sacks every year, no, but that doesn't mean he can't rush the QB.

I'd say 5 on his down years, and 10 on his best. I have to question if you've even watched film on the guy at all.

I think you're confusing the analysis of "doesn't have the exceptional burst necessary to be an elite passrusher" to "the man can't rush the QB at all."

Jarret Johnson got 2-5 sacks a year. If you can provide me an insight as to why you think Upshaw can't get more than that, please, be my guest.

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diamondbull424 · Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Posts: 10017 Location: Baltimore, MD

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STrid · Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 7:07 am Post subject:

My overall problem with the Upshaw selection has not so much to do with the position we addressed or with Upshaw as such, but more to do with the type he is, if that makes any sense.

Perhaps it has more to do with Kruger than anything, because, while I love Kruger, he's a weird animal in terms of ability. The guy is a pretty good rusher, but not great or elite, similarly he's pretty good against the run but not elite either. He's the sort of jack-of-all-trades player that doesn't really master anything specific.
That puts the Upshaw selection in a different light given, that while he may prove to be a good rusher his forte is in the run game Imo. He's the sort of guy who you'd love to have on the more versatile downs where the run and pass are both options, because he's not a liability against either, but if I had to rely on him to create consistent pressure off the edge in obvious passing situations I wouldn't be so confident. In that situation you'd like to have that guy who is great at pinning his ears back and getting after the QB, but may be a liability in other scenarios, to compliment Upshaw but Kruger doesn't really fit that bill.

I guess that's my main concern in terms of the pick. I'm not really sure we're getting a player that compliments what we've already got. This may all turn out to be an unjust concern if Kindle proves he has the ability to provide something as a passrusher and won't be relied upon to set the edge or drop in coverage.
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SnA ExclusiVe · Joined: 01 Jun 2011 Posts: 10607 Location: Spokane, WA

So at first people made it seem like we got a pass rusher opposite of Suggs in Upshaw; but now it seems like we simply replaced JJ with...another "watered down"version of JJ with SLIGHTLY better pass rushing ability.

Is that correct?
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STrid · Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject:

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