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Darbsk
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Anyway, back to the topic........
If i was to hazrd a mildly educated guess I'd say that Bergstrom, Burris and Criner look the most likely to make the cut with Bilukidi on the bubble, i think maybe Crawford just needs too much work and Stupar hasn't got the ceiling to warrant a place.
My favourite to make a big contribution would be Burris, guy just seems to love football and plays with his heart on his sleeve. Has physical tools and the mental toughness to succeed. Although i'm excited by Criner and Bergstrom as i think they can be definate starters in 12 to 18 months.
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Brazil_Raider
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Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | oakdb36 wrote: | | I'm not a huge fan of what i see from Crawford either but we're talking about a 5th round pick DE who will probably be a rotational depth guy. The fact he's still fairly new to football gives him a shot to improve on his technique and become a more effective player. We picked him exactly where the consensus projected him to go. Wait and see with this one. |
If he gets his strength up, I could see him being a decent linemen. One to keep around. Until then though.... |
In fairness, as i suspected, Crawford had really long arms (33 1/2) which adversely affects the number of reps you do and doesn't give a true indication of strength. (Just noteworthy) |
To some degree, I do consider this..... but 14 reps.... that's pretty bad. I could give him a few b/c of it but that's as far as I'm willing to go.
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | Dessie wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | Dessie wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | dante9876 wrote: | | It seems to me people think Crawford was a good player for Penn st. He really wasnt. He was inconsistent. He had like one good year. He isnt a difference maker and he is very weak for a dlineman right now. I think drafting him in the 5th is cool cause he does have potential. But it seems like players get extremely overrated as soon as they become Raiders around here. I think a C is a fair grade for our draft. I mean we didnt have a 1st or 2nd and the last pick of the 3rd. So I dont see why anything higher than a C is warranted. |
Great assessment, while also the understatement of a lifetime. Imvho, Crawford & Stupar could have had in UDFA. I think Berg is perfect for LG but could have been had a round later but I think McKenzie REALLY wanted/needed him in contradiction to BPA ( a la Wisniewski '11 draft). So I'm OK with the reach. There were a number of prospects with far greater upside albeit more risk that would have made later reaches unnecessary. As an example I'd MUCH rather have Kheeston Randall than Crawford, but that's just me. |
 You have got to be kidding me. Judging by everyones mocks how anyone can suggest where players would or wouldn't have gone really has an over inflated opinion of themselves and need a reality check. I would take RMs opinion over anyone in here and it is laughable that some are suggesting they know better.
Stupars strength is in the passing game, it is a passing league and didn't Stupar say the Dolphins had spoken to him about picking him up. |
I really dont understand these comments. I will take this GM, head coach or player opinion over yours is such a ridiculous comment. |
Thought it was pretty obvious but obviously not for some. When somebody says a 5th round pick would have been a UDFA I am gonna side with the paid professional every time especially given some of our mocks and how badly we all misjudged the value of players. |
UNLESS said professional is bashing the Raiders, in which case he'd be a hack. Can't have it both ways. I don't think our season would have been lost had the Raiders missed out on Crawford. LOL, Crawford has become the new Bruce Campbell already.
Every draft pick is great and highly underrated or virtually cost us nothing anyways.
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Every professional who disagrees with the Raiders is a hack.
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These are the RaiderNation commandments.
Listen, I think I have been pretty tame and optimist this off-season. Sorry if I'm in violation of any of the commandments. |
LOL this post is so on the money it's ridiculous. Couldn't have worded it any better.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| Dessie wrote: |
Quit with the 'woe is me' act already. As usual you try and sideswipe the original argument. Please explain how you think a 5th round pick would have been a UDFA and how you think you know more about drafting players than our GM and have inside knowledge of all the thought processes of the other 31 GMs. |
And as usual, you make ish personal when you could've attempted to go a different route. Thanks for proving I'm not the cause of your misery.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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JTagg7754
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:06 am Post subject: |
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We get an extra one? Cool, didn't know. I agree also. Our team is young and still developing, meshing, and getting accustomed to new coaches and everything else.
Glad to hear we got more time to work on things.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | No, but I also think he's a paid troll  |
To whom are you referring?
Again, choosing to only accept the opinions of paid professionals is a double edged sword. (Btw, whoever this troll is you have just validated his opinions because you suggested he is getting paid according to your argument) |
Skip Bayless.
And I didn't say I'd ONLY take their opinion. Soooooooo whatever
Ill make it easy ok...
A. Opinion of a NFL GM
B. Opinion of dude on Facebook or forum.
I choose A. |
But you're failing to see people are human no matter what. Some are right, some are wrong. People gave me TONS of crap for saying Russell was worthless prior to the draft. Hell, I was being generous when I said I'd take him in the second at best. People gave me TONS of crap for saying McFadden needed to change his running style if he were to ever succeed. It took him two years but he finally did. I said Gholston would be the best player of his class. I said Leinart would be a good QB as well as Sanchez. Point is, people are right and wrong all the time. Who cares what their education and work is? If they can form an opinion and give you insightful evidence to support their claim aside from the "well he had 1046 tackles and that lead the team, he's awesome" type schmucks, I think that person's opinion deserves merit than just your average poster.
Again, this sport isn't as black and white as some people want to paint it. I'm glad it's not either.
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you wouldnt want Rodgers Brady or Manning in his prime as your QBs? |
not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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OakRaiders3828
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | No, but I also think he's a paid troll |
To whom are you referring?
Again, choosing to only accept the opinions of paid professionals is a double edged sword. (Btw, whoever this troll is you have just validated his opinions because you suggested he is getting paid according to your argument) |
Skip Bayless.
And I didn't say I'd ONLY take their opinion. Soooooooo whatever
Ill make it easy ok...
A. Opinion of a NFL GM
B. Opinion of dude on Facebook or forum.
I choose A. |
But you're failing to see people are human no matter what. Some are right, some are wrong. People gave me TONS of crap for saying Russell was worthless prior to the draft. Hell, I was being generous when I said I'd take him in the second at best. People gave me TONS of crap for saying McFadden needed to change his running style if he were to ever succeed. It took him two years but he finally did. I said Gholston would be the best player of his class. I said Leinart would be a good QB as well as Sanchez. Point is, people are right and wrong all the time. Who cares what their education and work is? If they can form an opinion and give you insightful evidence to support their claim aside from the "well he had 1046 tackles and that lead the team, he's awesome" type schmucks, I think that person's opinion deserves merit than just your average poster.
Again, this sport isn't as black and white as some people want to paint it. I'm glad it's not either. |
I understand, and I know some people opinion do indeed deserve merit. I never said that I would shut down everyone's opinion and never listen to anyone because if that was the case I wouldn't be here. Some people prove themselves some people don't, the fact that 90% of the general population is clueless (go look at the 1,000 comments on the matt Leinart link on the Raiders Facebook page, prime example) would generally lead me to believe that, regardless of what we think we know about a player, they probably know more.. it's not that I don't listen to other peoples opinions or have my own, because I do,, I'll Admit that I'm very optimistic and like to give everyone a chance, where as some are just black and white, but I have opinions and criticisms for everyone. it's just that you have to prove yourself because I know most form their opinions based off of what they read on the internet anyway and it's not really theirs, and that's fine, but it's also why at this point, especially given Reggie's resume, that I trust him right now over the critics., because yes he's human, but he's done a lot more homework on them than anyone else, of course because it's his job.
GMs are wrong, obviously. I think poe was a bad pick. Im not saying he cant be wrong. Are you Guy's right about Jack Crawford? Does he have a lot to work on, does he need to get stronger and play lower? Can he just as easily bust as he can boom? Yes, but obviously Reggie knew all of those things as well and figured a 5th round pick is worth the risk.
It's the same reason I'm not bashing anything they're doing. Right now I trust these Guy's until proven otherwise, right now they know more about what this team needs and how their going to build it. They know the schemes, the players etc. So until I see everything unfold and fully get an understanding of what they're trying to install and build I'm going to trust the moves that McKenzie and Allen make.
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OakRaiders3828
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I'm very confident, but when it comes to this stuff, sometime I have a very "well who am I" attitude and I hold back before I jump all over somebody. Constructive criticism is more my thing.
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Roninho
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| Brazil_Raider wrote: | | Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times. |
Yes, that must be hard.
On the other, you are able to enjoy this:
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| Roninho wrote: | | Brazil_Raider wrote: | | Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times. |
Yes, that must be hard.
On the other, you are able to enjoy this:
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I'd like to go to Brazil simply because the women take care of themselves man. Here in America they eat cheeseburgers mang! But I don't want to die...people in Brazil are quite malicious I hear. And I've seen to many crazy movies on it
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oak42069
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| BlackPrestige92 wrote: | | Roninho wrote: | | Brazil_Raider wrote: | | Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times. |
Yes, that must be hard.
On the other, you are able to enjoy this:
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I'd like to go to Brazil simply because the women take care of themselves man. Here in America they eat cheeseburgers mang! But I don't want to die...people in Brazil are quite malicious I hear. And I've seen to many crazy movies on it |
yup fast food and more garbage like apple bee's etc, processed crap
i promise you this, cannot go with a vegetarian 
turista's? crazy sheesh
yea some parts of south america are decent enough such as argentina but if you dont know spanish, good luck |
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BlackPrestige92
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| oak42069 wrote: | | BlackPrestige92 wrote: | | Roninho wrote: | | Brazil_Raider wrote: | | Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times. |
Yes, that must be hard.
On the other, you are able to enjoy this:
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I'd like to go to Brazil simply because the women take care of themselves man. Here in America they eat cheeseburgers mang! But I don't want to die...people in Brazil are quite malicious I hear. And I've seen to many crazy movies on it |
yup fast food and more garbage like apple bee's etc, processed crap
i promise you this, cannot go with a vegetarian
turista's? crazy sheesh
yea some parts of south america are decent enough such as argentina but if you dont know spanish, good luck |
lol yup turista's I know Spanish, but it's the Spanish that Mexicans use. I think in Brazil they speak Portuguese though
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Brazil_Raider
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LOL hard ! 
This photo is too damn old...but I give you that, some Brazilian women have a beautiful body. In Rio is the body but in the south lies the true beautiful women, just like Gisele Bundchen waiting to be discovered. 
And yes...we speak Portuguese, some of us speak English and Spanish as well (like me). 
Oh...regarding those movies, we have some degree of violence here (I live in Sao Paulo), but it's not like those movies or reports you see or read.
Back on topic, I hope ESPN3 start showing more college games here.
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oak42069
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| BlackPrestige92 wrote: | | oak42069 wrote: | | BlackPrestige92 wrote: | | Roninho wrote: | | Brazil_Raider wrote: | | Well... unfortunately I am unable to watch a lot of college games because I'm in Brazil, but I did watch some highlights and I'm looking forward to see Burris sacking PM and Rivers a lot, he plays with intensity and seems to be over the ball all the times. |
Yes, that must be hard.
On the other, you are able to enjoy this:
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I'd like to go to Brazil simply because the women take care of themselves man. Here in America they eat cheeseburgers mang! But I don't want to die...people in Brazil are quite malicious I hear. And I've seen to many crazy movies on it |
yup fast food and more garbage like apple bee's etc, processed crap
i promise you this, cannot go wrong with a vegetarian
turista's? crazy sheesh
yea some parts of south america are decent enough such as argentina but if you dont know spanish, good luck |
lol yup turista's I know Spanish, but it's the Spanish that Mexicans use. I think in Brazil they speak Portuguese though |
or Portuguese |
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