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Broadway Joe
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Yeah he should be in, but it isn't as the HOF hasn't snubbed players before, specially DB's. He should be in, specially for his impact on the Safeties today. But as I said, the HOF is very strict with DBs
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jonu62882
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| Broadway Joe wrote: | | jonu62882 wrote: | | Eagles $5$ wrote: | | Unless Cole or Nnamdi becomes the DPOY and win a ring, they will not be HOF players. C'mon, lets not be a homer. |
So, now the requirements are to win a DPOY and a ring?
Guess, Dawk ain't makin' it then... |
Most of the times yes, it is what balances thing into the players favor. It's stupid but iat the very they are very important to the voters.
Dawkins is unfortunately not a sure fire HOFer. So yes he might have a problem because of those two things. |
No, Dawk will definitely make the HOF. Not on the first try, but he will make it in.
My point is that this isn't an exact science. There is not one specific criterion for making the hall of fame. It's a process where the nominated player's career is examined from all angles in relation to their impact on the game as compared to their peers during a specific period, including on-and-off-the-field accomplishments. |
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Broadway Joe
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| jonu62882 wrote: | | Broadway Joe wrote: | | jonu62882 wrote: | | Eagles $5$ wrote: | | Unless Cole or Nnamdi becomes the DPOY and win a ring, they will not be HOF players. C'mon, lets not be a homer. |
So, now the requirements are to win a DPOY and a ring?
Guess, Dawk ain't makin' it then... |
Most of the times yes, it is what balances thing into the players favor. It's stupid but iat the very they are very important to the voters.
Dawkins is unfortunately not a sure fire HOFer. So yes he might have a problem because of those two things. |
No, Dawk will definitely make the HOF. Not on the first try, but he will make it in.
My point is that this isn't an exact science. There is not one specific criterion for making the hall of fame. It's a process where the nominated player's career is examined from all angles in relation to their impact on the game as compared to their peers during a specific period, including on-and-off-the-field accomplishments. |
It's not an exact science but they are really strict, that's for sure. And from what you are seeing today, Trent Cole will never ever be in the Hall of Fame. Nnamdi, I doubt it too, but has more chances than Cole.
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Neither Nnamdi or Cole has a change to get into the Hall of Fame. Neither player has the stats[metrics] or accolades to be elected in. They will however be in the second tier of the Hall of Fame(The Hall of the very good, or whatever it's often refered to).
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PowerElite
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Neither Nnamdi or Cole has a change to get into the Hall of Fame. Neither player has the stats[metrics] or accolades to be elected in. They will however be in the second tier of the Hall of Fame(The Hall of the very good, or whatever it's often refered to). |
Nnamdi has a chance. Charles Woodson didn't leave the Raiders as a candidate for the Hall, people said that his career was over, but he has since made himself into a Hall of Fame lock... |
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Remixxxxxxx
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| PowerElite wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Neither Nnamdi or Cole has a change to get into the Hall of Fame. Neither player has the stats[metrics] or accolades to be elected in. They will however be in the second tier of the Hall of Fame(The Hall of the very good, or whatever it's often refered to). |
Nnamdi has a chance. Charles Woodson didn't leave the Raiders as a candidate for the Hall, people said that his career was over, but he has since made himself into a Hall of Fame lock... |
Charles Woodsons stats are also miles above where Nnamdi is at right now. If Nnamdi stays at the same pace he is at right now, I don't see him having a shot at the Hall of Fame.
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | PowerElite wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Neither Nnamdi or Cole has a change to get into the Hall of Fame. Neither player has the stats[metrics] or accolades to be elected in. They will however be in the second tier of the Hall of Fame(The Hall of the very good, or whatever it's often refered to). |
Nnamdi has a chance. Charles Woodson didn't leave the Raiders as a candidate for the Hall, people said that his career was over, but he has since made himself into a Hall of Fame lock... |
Charles Woodsons stats are also miles above where Nnamdi is at right now. If Nnamdi stays at the same pace he is at right now, I don't see him having a shot at the Hall of Fame. |
I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Quote: | | I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
The defensive backs who stats I've looked at that are in the Hall of Fame all favor the major metric stats(INTs being the main one), TDs and PDEFS.
What makes you think the Hall voters are going to start to look at QBR, Comp %, etc?
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
The defensive backs who stats I've looked at that are in the Hall of Fame all favor the major metric stats(INTs being the main one), TDs and PDEFS.
What makes you think the Hall voters are going to start to look at QBR, Comp %, etc? |
Are you suggesting that the voters are incapable or unwilling to broaden the scope of their analysis even with the advancement of information available?
The same people in the media that vote are the same people who talk about completion percentage, QB rating, etc... |
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jonu62882
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
The defensive backs who stats I've looked at that are in the Hall of Fame all favor the major metric stats(INTs being the main one), TDs and PDEFS.
What makes you think the Hall voters are going to start to look at QBR, Comp %, etc? |
Aren't the Hall voters some of the same guys that have been giving Nnamdi his All-Pro's for the last several years? |
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Broadway Joe wrote: | | jonu62882 wrote: | | Eagles $5$ wrote: | | Unless Cole or Nnamdi becomes the DPOY and win a ring, they will not be HOF players. C'mon, lets not be a homer. |
So, now the requirements are to win a DPOY and a ring?
Guess, Dawk ain't makin' it then... |
Most of the times yes, it is what balances thing into the players favor. It's stupid but iat the very they are very important to the voters.
Dawkins is unfortunately not a sure fire HOFer. So yes he might have a problem because of those two things. |
Lol! I'll bet anything that Dawkins gets in. You two are crazy
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| PowerElite wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | PowerElite wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Neither Nnamdi or Cole has a change to get into the Hall of Fame. Neither player has the stats[metrics] or accolades to be elected in. They will however be in the second tier of the Hall of Fame(The Hall of the very good, or whatever it's often refered to). |
Nnamdi has a chance. Charles Woodson didn't leave the Raiders as a candidate for the Hall, people said that his career was over, but he has since made himself into a Hall of Fame lock... |
Charles Woodsons stats are also miles above where Nnamdi is at right now. If Nnamdi stays at the same pace he is at right now, I don't see him having a shot at the Hall of Fame. |
I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
Let them know PE
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| PowerElite wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm not even going to look at what Woodson did with the Raiders. The voters know that cornerbacks that don't get thrown at don't get huge stats. There are the newer stats that now exist which will help out Nnamdi like targets, QB rating, completion percentage, etc... Woodson was highly targeted with the Raiders and for good reason, he wasn't a shut down corner. |
The defensive backs who stats I've looked at that are in the Hall of Fame all favor the major metric stats(INTs being the main one), TDs and PDEFS.
What makes you think the Hall voters are going to start to look at QBR, Comp %, etc? |
Are you suggesting that the voters are incapable or unwilling to broaden the scope of their analysis even with the advancement of information available?
The same people in the media that vote are the same people who talk about completion percentage, QB rating, etc... |
They can talk about it in the media all they want - when they show consistently they'll use it to judge if a player belongs in the Hall of Fame, I'll concede - that has yet to happen.
| Quote: | | Aren't the Hall voters some of the same guys that have been giving Nnamdi his All-Pro's for the last several years? |
Just because he's an All-Pro means he's a Hall of Famer, makes sense. Didn't you just hop all over someone for saying if he doesn't have a ring or DPOTY award he isn't in? Good logic.
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jonu62882
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | jonu62882 wrote: | | Aren't the Hall voters some of the same guys that have been giving Nnamdi his All-Pro's for the last several years? |
Just because he's an All-Pro means he's a Hall of Famer, makes sense. Didn't you just hop all over someone for saying if he doesn't have a ring or DPOTY award he isn't in? Good logic. |
My point is that if, indeed, that is the case, then he's been receiving one of the most important yearly player awards based not on the traditional metrics that you say these same voters seek out, but rather on something else then. |
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HoF resume is simple in my opinion. Take all the best CB in the game today and hold them up to the truely great players that are in the Hall. If they compare and can hold their own, then they should be considered. Does Nnambi compare favorable to someone like Dion? No Way! Does Champ Bailey? Totally. 2 shut down CB's that QB's avoided at all cost and they still made plays. It has nothing to do with what you did off the feild.
Was the player a Game Changer?
Did teams scheme around that givin player?
Did the NFL change the rules because of that player.
Did the player change the way people played the position? (this is why Dawkins is a lock).
Did the player do something to revalutionize the game?
Did he not only perform well but did he perform well when the game was on the line?
Take someone like Farve. Should he get in? No way IMO. No QB that throws the most INT's in the history should be in the HoF.
Players in the NFL that are locks for the Hall are few are far between.
Off the top of my head.....
P. Manning
Brady
Lewis
Bailey
Reed
Polamalu
T. Gonzales
Trent Cole, (7 years 68 sacks), is no better a player then Freeny, (10 years 102 sacks) or Peppers, (10 year 100 sacks) and neither one of them is considered a HoF lock. At best all of those guys might in some time after their dead.
The best of the best. That's what the HoF is.
You think Nnambi is a Hall of Fame talent? Would you take him over Champ, Dion, Darrell Green or Mike Haynes? If so then make your case. If you wouldn't take Nnambi over any of these guys then he simply doesn't measure up.
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