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MalcolmBrown
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I was just curious. I can't say I know everything about the West Coast Offense, however, I think it's important to not forget that, what we are looking at is a Cleveland Browns' Front Office, with three seemingly well developed "football minds." (One reason why I appreciate those who have been looking historically at each individual FO member, and their trends in terms of player personell.)
A lot of the neigh-sayers just chalk this draft up to the Browns, historically, when they profess that we had a "horrendous" draft.
Obviously the Browns will be running a version of the West Coast Offense. I'd like to maybe discuss the possibilities when it comes to how H.H.S will adapt the WCO to their nucleus of players.
That's mostly what I'm excited to see. And I know this will also depend on which players make the team/earn starting status/survive the offseason healthy...
Richardson brushes himself off after giving the Browns 2nd & 2 because the...
Protection is holding up for Weeden...
Long enough for Benjamin to break open for a long touchdown catch and run...
Because he gets a great block from Moore downfield...
Defense forces an interception...
Lather rinse repeat...
Year 2 with the new regime, everybody's antsy, myself included. |
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64 CHAMPS
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Nice idea for a thread and welcome to the boards.
Perhaps i can help a little. Lets try to plug and play our roster to this Childress/Shurmur offense.
I give you the 2002 Eagles complete 79 page QB's mini camp playbook. Childress/Reid were the offensive cords and Shurmur the QB coach.
http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/prooffense2/2002%20Eagles%20Mini%20Cam.pdf
btw... i have access to over 125 verified nfl playbooks for all three areas of the game if anyone else is interested in anything to look at.
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MalcolmBrown
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This was actually pretty fun to check out. I'm curious tho, because I've been watching a lot of Weeden's highlights, and almost all of them are from the shotgun.
There were almost no plays written out of the shotgun in this playbook. Does that mean that all of these plays can be modified to the shotgun on the fly, or does it just mean that there were no shotgun packages in this playbook?
I'm concerned about Weeden's lack of experience taking snaps from under Center, however, of course it is just a matter of incorporating 3-5 step drops in his timing patterns, and him still having the pocket presence and awareness to get good open looks down field.
With Little's size, I see him getting lots of looks across the middle, with Weeden giving him space to catch and create. Likely causing the secondary to play more press, and allowing our #1(MoMass?) and TE/#3 more space to break on the outside, or turn up field for the deep ball.
I also see us running more trips with T Rich pass blocking, and of course with Benjamin in that formation, I see a lot of openings for Weeden to throw the football underneath, or catch the secondary sleeping over the top.
I also think our receivers are gonna put some licks on defenders this year, they have to learn how to protect each other. And with improved big play potential it'll go a long way if they can impose their will in the secondary with good blocking.
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64, thanks for posting that playbook. I coached (only a little) and played a long, long time ago in a land far, far away.... but a few things stuck out to me.
Huge number of plays with 5 guys in the pattern.
This points to the importance of not only WR, but also RT. By design, many of these plays have the RT operating without any help (from either a TE or RB). A one-legged Tony Pashos would seriously limit the plays calls.
Lots of fly routes, deep comebacks, skinny posts, etc.
I know our WR's ran these patterns a decent amount last year, but we sure didn't hit many of them. Is it all on McCoy? Of course not, but you'd have to guess that an arm like Weeden would hit more of these than last year.
TE's stay in and block more than you would think.
A large number of plays have the TE blocking (both running and passing plays). It sheds a little light on Evan Moore being in the doghouse due to his invisible blocking. Hopefully, Moore will improve his blocking, but with that, I'm not surprised that we hung on to Alex Smith.
Nothing revolutionary, but it's interesting to actually see the playbook and how it applies to our personnel.
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| ReggieCamp wrote: | 64, thanks for posting that playbook. I coached (only a little) and played a long, long time ago in a land far, far away.... but a few things stuck out to me.
Huge number of plays with 5 guys in the pattern.
This points to the importance of not only WR, but also RT. By design, many of these plays have the RT operating without any help (from either a TE or RB). A one-legged Tony Pashos would seriously limit the plays calls.
Lots of fly routes, deep comebacks, skinny posts, etc.
I know our WR's ran these patterns a decent amount last year, but we sure didn't hit many of them. Is it all on McCoy? Of course not, but you'd have to guess that an arm like Weeden would hit more of these than last year.
TE's stay in and block more than you would think.
A large number of plays have the TE blocking (both running and passing plays). It sheds a little light on Evan Moore being in the doghouse due to his invisible blocking. Hopefully, Moore will improve his blocking, but with that, I'm not surprised that we hung on to Alex Smith.
Nothing revolutionary, but it's interesting to actually see the playbook and how it applies to our personnel. |
Also about half the runs out of formations with one 1 back in the back field. Same with passing plays there are very seldom 2 backs on the field in passing situations.
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MalcolmBrown
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| BooyaCS wrote: | | ReggieCamp wrote: | 64, thanks for posting that playbook. I coached (only a little) and played a long, long time ago in a land far, far away.... but a few things stuck out to me.
Huge number of plays with 5 guys in the pattern.
This points to the importance of not only WR, but also RT. By design, many of these plays have the RT operating without any help (from either a TE or RB). A one-legged Tony Pashos would seriously limit the plays calls.
Lots of fly routes, deep comebacks, skinny posts, etc.
I know our WR's ran these patterns a decent amount last year, but we sure didn't hit many of them. Is it all on McCoy? Of course not, but you'd have to guess that an arm like Weeden would hit more of these than last year.
TE's stay in and block more than you would think.
A large number of plays have the TE blocking (both running and passing plays). It sheds a little light on Evan Moore being in the doghouse due to his invisible blocking. Hopefully, Moore will improve his blocking, but with that, I'm not surprised that we hung on to Alex Smith.
Nothing revolutionary, but it's interesting to actually see the playbook and how it applies to our personnel. |
Also about half the runs out of formations with one 1 back in the back field. Same with passing plays there are very seldom 2 backs on the field in passing situations. |
This is where spending that draft pick on Brad Smelley comes into question. He better be a stud blocker, and I hope he can catch the ball, and that this is the plan with taking him. Esp of Owen can't stay healthy.
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| Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| 64 CHAMPS wrote: | Nice idea for a thread and welcome to the boards.
Perhaps i can help a little. Lets try to plug and play our roster to this Childress/Shurmur offense.
I give you the 2002 Eagles complete 79 page QB's mini camp playbook. Childress/Reid were the offensive cords and Shurmur the QB coach.
http://fastandfuriousfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/prooffense2/2002%20Eagles%20Mini%20Cam.pdf
btw... i have access to over 125 verified nfl playbooks for all three areas of the game if anyone else is interested in anything to look at. |
I think the 2000 B-More ravens would be interesting to look at. That was a 2-gap 43 if memory serves correctly. Which is was we run. Or maybe one the Juaron's CHI playbooks for defense.
BTW, your awesome. |
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BooyaCS
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| MalcolmBrown wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | ReggieCamp wrote: | 64, thanks for posting that playbook. I coached (only a little) and played a long, long time ago in a land far, far away.... but a few things stuck out to me.
Huge number of plays with 5 guys in the pattern.
This points to the importance of not only WR, but also RT. By design, many of these plays have the RT operating without any help (from either a TE or RB). A one-legged Tony Pashos would seriously limit the plays calls.
Lots of fly routes, deep comebacks, skinny posts, etc.
I know our WR's ran these patterns a decent amount last year, but we sure didn't hit many of them. Is it all on McCoy? Of course not, but you'd have to guess that an arm like Weeden would hit more of these than last year.
TE's stay in and block more than you would think.
A large number of plays have the TE blocking (both running and passing plays). It sheds a little light on Evan Moore being in the doghouse due to his invisible blocking. Hopefully, Moore will improve his blocking, but with that, I'm not surprised that we hung on to Alex Smith.
Nothing revolutionary, but it's interesting to actually see the playbook and how it applies to our personnel. |
Also about half the runs out of formations with one 1 back in the back field. Same with passing plays there are very seldom 2 backs on the field in passing situations. |
This is where spending that draft pick on Brad Smelley comes into question. He better be a stud blocker, and I hope he can catch the ball, and that this is the plan with taking him. Esp of Owen can't stay healthy. |
The WCO utilizes an H-Back more than a traditional fullback. You can split them out as a TE or bring them in the backfield and give them the ball. We tried it once with Alex Smith.
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| BooyaCS wrote: |
The WCO utilizes an H-Back more than a traditional fullback. You can split them out as a TE or bring them in the backfield and give them the ball. We tried it once with Alex Smith. |
And as I recall there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 posts about firing Shurmur for the call
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BooyaCS
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: |
The WCO utilizes an H-Back more than a traditional fullback. You can split them out as a TE or bring them in the backfield and give them the ball. We tried it once with Alex Smith. |
And as I recall there were somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 posts about firing Shurmur for the call |
However that is a somewhat standard play for the WCO. The Pats ran it in the Earnhardt-Perkins system and I believe Philly doesn't have a standard FB and neither does GB.
It is more of a hybrid role where they block most of the time but are either on the line or in the backfield. It isn't the standard 2 back sets we used to run.
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| BooyaCS wrote: | | MalcolmBrown wrote: | | This is where spending that draft pick on Brad Smelley comes into question. He better be a stud blocker, and I hope he can catch the ball, and that this is the plan with taking him. Esp of Owen can't stay healthy. |
The WCO utilizes an H-Back more than a traditional fullback. You can split them out as a TE or bring them in the backfield and give them the ball. We tried it once with Alex Smith. |
From what I understand, Smelley is best near the line. He excells at chipping/blocking then releasing into open space to give the QB a safety valve. Didn't read much about his in-line blocking ability, though.
I'd like to think his role will be similar to how Saban used him, because he was so successful at that. But he seems to be the kind of pure football player who would do anything asked of him. |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | BooyaCS wrote: | | MalcolmBrown wrote: | | This is where spending that draft pick on Brad Smelley comes into question. He better be a stud blocker, and I hope he can catch the ball, and that this is the plan with taking him. Esp of Owen can't stay healthy. |
The WCO utilizes an H-Back more than a traditional fullback. You can split them out as a TE or bring them in the backfield and give them the ball. We tried it once with Alex Smith. |
From what I understand, Smelley is best near the line. He excells at chipping/blocking then releasing into open space to give the QB a safety valve. Didn't read much about his in-line blocking ability, though.
I'd like to think his role will be similar to how Saban used him, because he was so successful at that. But he seems to be the kind of pure football player who would do anything asked of him. |
Smelley doesn't really have a position. He isn't a TE, he is not a FB and I don't think he is a traditional HBack.
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Yeah, I can't put a finger on how he can be used, but he can be a contributor if they want to figure out a way to use him.
Should be interesting to see how he fits within the WCO concepts, or if he does at all. We are talking about a guy picked 247th, after all. |
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MalcolmBrown
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Someone was talking about "tandem picks" in another post. I wonder if they might create some packages similar to plays they ran at Alabama for Richardson/Smelley, something that worked well, and could be useful at this level.
Especially if Richardson is running well, they could use him as decoy in certain situations, play-action, screen pass, or just getting him on the field for extra pass protection.
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| MalcolmBrown wrote: | Someone was talking about "tandem picks" in another post. I wonder if they might create some packages similar to plays they ran at Alabama for Richardson/Smelley, something that worked well, and could be useful at this level.
Especially if Richardson is running well, they could use him as decoy in certain situations, play-action, screen pass, or just getting him on the field for extra pass protection. |
The Tandem picks was Heckert has a propensity for using back to back picks in one area.
2010 - Haden, Ward -- Defensive Secondary
2011 - Taylor, Sheard -- Defensive Line
2012 - Richardson, Weeden -- Offensive Backfield.
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