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Harper41
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| tylerdouglass wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than every other HB on the roster. Thats unacceptable. |
the way you said Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than everyone else (I agree with that) made it sound like you were somehow faulting Ingram for the fact that he was a 1st round pick.
If you weren't faulting because of his draft position, then I don't disagree with you, that's just how I saw it. |
I am faulting him for it but it doesn't mean someone has to be at fault. I didn't think Ingrams talent was the issue, I hated the pick because we had no need at HB at all. Him struggling just made it way worse.
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Lombardi Gras
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| Harper41 wrote: | | tylerdouglass wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than every other HB on the roster. Thats unacceptable. |
the way you said Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than everyone else (I agree with that) made it sound like you were somehow faulting Ingram for the fact that he was a 1st round pick.
If you weren't faulting because of his draft position, then I don't disagree with you, that's just how I saw it. |
I am faulting him for it but it doesn't mean someone has to be at fault. I didn't think Ingrams talent was the issue, I hated the pick because we had no need at HB at all. Him struggling just made it way worse. |
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Harper41
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| Lombardi Gras wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | tylerdouglass wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than every other HB on the roster. Thats unacceptable. |
the way you said Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than everyone else (I agree with that) made it sound like you were somehow faulting Ingram for the fact that he was a 1st round pick.
If you weren't faulting because of his draft position, then I don't disagree with you, that's just how I saw it. |
I am faulting him for it but it doesn't mean someone has to be at fault. I didn't think Ingrams talent was the issue, I hated the pick because we had no need at HB at all. Him struggling just made it way worse. |
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Yeah that was worded extremely poor.  What I meant to say was it's worse that he was a first round pick and played poorly but it doesn't mean I blame him for being a first round pick or the organization for picking him there. If that makes sense...
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| Harper41 wrote: | | Lombardi Gras wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | tylerdouglass wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than every other HB on the roster. Thats unacceptable. |
the way you said Ingram is a 1st round pick and he performed worse than everyone else (I agree with that) made it sound like you were somehow faulting Ingram for the fact that he was a 1st round pick.
If you weren't faulting because of his draft position, then I don't disagree with you, that's just how I saw it. |
I am faulting him for it but it doesn't mean someone has to be at fault. I didn't think Ingrams talent was the issue, I hated the pick because we had no need at HB at all. Him struggling just made it way worse. |
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Yeah that was worded extremely poor. What I meant to say was it's worse that he was a first round pick and played poorly but it doesn't mean I blame him for being a first round pick or the organization for picking him there. If that makes sense... |
I thought it was a good pick up, although we didn't need a RB at the time. IMO, based on his college performance he was worthy of end first round / early second round pick. He did not perform to expectations... I get it and agree. I think TD hit it right when he alluded to "...it's the Saints' fault." I am both curious and anxious to see this kid start living up to the draft selection. All I was getting at was... not fair to fault the guy when he basically only played half to 2/3 of the season. He was a rookie, let the kid get another season under his belt and then judge. Just sayin'
Who knows? If he went to a different team... he might be a much better player than he is or was supposed to be. Coaching has alot to do with it. Some guys can survive on talent, but talent only gets you so far in this league.
I look forward to him getting 100% healthy and showing us what he really can do.
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| Harper41 wrote: | | Raves wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | Wasted pick. Hated it then, hate it now. |
Only reason I didn't like the pick because of players like Muhammed Wilkerson and Akeem Ayers were still on the board and we went with a RB which wasn't exactly a need. Now Mark Ingram was definitely worth where he was picked, just didn't think we needed to trade up to draft a RB when we could've just waited and got Mikel LeShoure in the 2nd round who I liked more.
6 Weeks isn't that long, won't even take him into the preseason. |
Its not even the injury problems, which were massive. Its the fact that we had 3 good RBs, and the fact that those 3 RBs out performed him by a large margin. It was a stupid pick, and it still is. Wasn't a need and it doesn't help that he hasn't performed at all. |
We didn't have 3 good RB's at the time; Ivory was hurt and was on PUP for half the season, PT was recovering from injury, Sproles was a FA and Bush was on the verge of being traded/cut. Considering that having no run game killed the Saints in the '10 playoffs, RB was an absolute need.
To be fair, if you watch a few of the games when Ingram actually had a significant amount of carries, defenses played him differently than the other RBs. There was more emphasis on stopping the run when he was in the game, probably cause that's all he was trusted to do for the time being.
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I decided to go back to last years draft day thread, most people's opinions were pretty favorable of the Ingram pick.
| Harper41 wrote: | | No one will agree with this except Saints fans but I couldn't care less. Everyone thinks we gave up to much for Ingram but value wise we gave up "technically" 2 2nds which is perfectly good value for a late 1st,especially when you're getting a guy with top 15 talent. |
I'd say give the guy some slack with his injuries before throwing him under the bus. Imagine if we had done that with Brees.  |
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