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Greg_Jennings 
Joined: 06 Nov 2006 Posts: 22849 Location: Milwaukee
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:58 pm Post subject: The Rams |
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With the possibility looming, especially today, that the Vikings will be moving to Los Angeles, I thought this was a good topic to bring up. If the Vikes move to LA, the most likely scenario would be them swapping divisions with the St. Louis Rams. This would put the Rams in a more geographically logical division, the NFC North. So, if this happens, and the Minnesota Vikings are no more, how would you feel about playing the Rams twice a year? They've got a young QB, though it's one that not everyone has faith in. It's a young team that could get better in a couple years, so how threatening are they?
Regardless, I think it would be cool to have another team with a good history in the division. _________________
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Packerfaninmn 
Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 6797
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Except the fact that the Vikes aren't leaving. The same thing happened with the Twins and their stadium. Posturing is all it is. Dumb as all get out though. The longer they wait the more it costs. _________________
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Deep Mug 
Joined: 29 Apr 2012 Posts: 586
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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It's not the 1950s anymore, travel is much easier and more convenient than it used to be; hell, Dallas still plays three teams all located in the mid/north East.
I don't care where the Vikings are, I want the Packers playing them twice a year. They are a huge part of Packer history.
The Rams shouldn't be in St. Louis anyway, that's all Georgia Frontiere's doing. |
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British
Joined: 11 Sep 2010 Posts: 482 Location: England
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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To answer the question I'd much rather play the Vikings than the Rams. The Rams have a talented young QB and 6 1st round picks over 3 years. If Fisher is as good as advertised they could do some damage down the road.
The Vikings seem to be sorting themselves out a bit. But I wonder if Ponder is the sort of QB just good enough not to get canned yet not of the quality to actually win a Championship with. |
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GBPACKMAN4LIFE 
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 16362 Location: Spokane, WA
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Replace a crappy dome team with another. I like it.
But I'd rather beat the Vikings twice a year rather than the Rams. Hope they don't leave the North. _________________
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Willink 
Joined: 26 Nov 2007 Posts: 10974 Location: Albany, NY
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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posting over from the last thread:
| TheGreatZepp wrote: | | You would rather have the Rams in the division? I would personally prefer not to drive ten hours one way just to get affordable and available Packer game tickets... just saying. It's like every year the people of Eau Claire, La Crosse, Superior, River Falls, etc get a home game of their own. |
The NFL does not determine it's team alignments based on geographical convenience to fans of other teams.
While it's great for those people to go to Vikings games, its probably also great for the some 15 million people that live in the LA area, who either have no home team at all or gave up on following the Rams and Raiders after they moved. There are likely more of the latter than the former.
Packerfaninmn can minimize it all he wants and repeatedly post "it will happen, it will happen, look at the Twins", but there still exists a very real chance the Vikings are moving.
And while people get caught up in the "look at all the revenue it will generate", I will post this, yet again:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv23n2/coates.pdf _________________
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PackMan22
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 854 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think it is much more likely that the Rams move back to LA and then the Jags move to St Louis.
And if the Vikings moved, I would think they would leave the team behind, like the Browns did and then another team would move to MIN and take the Vikings name. _________________ Adopt-a-Packer Frank Zombo
Can we please cease and desist with the term 'professional athletes representing their country'? That term should be reserved for one man and one man only: Pat Tillman.-Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel |
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DavidatMIZZOU
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 6025 Location: The ZOU
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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I would like it, so I wouldn't have a 10 hour drive to go to one game per year.
But the Rams have only a slightly better stadium than the Vikings and have already become the de facto London team. Also baseball is the #1 game here. Some people even like hockey more as well. _________________ GO PACK GO!
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spilltray
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 8647 Location: Green Bay, WI
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| PackMan22 wrote: | I think it is much more likely that the Rams move back to LA and then the Jags move to St Louis.
And if the Vikings moved, I would think they would leave the team behind, like the Browns did and then another team would move to MIN and take the Vikings name. |
A couple things.
1) Jacksonville isn't going anywhere. They are locked in tight to their lease.
2) They could do that with Cleveland because they were expanding. Other than promising Minnesota an expansion team, well down the road, they can't promise to make a team go there. Yes maybe Minnesota will keep the rights to the name, but it would be a long time before there is even a potential team willing to move there.
3) They aren't going to pul a shuffle like Team A to City B, Team C to City A. It's just too many moving pieces. _________________
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AmishMafia 
Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Posts: 222 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| On behalf of all Packer fans in Vegas, and So. Cal, I would love for the Vikings to move and for them to stay in the same division. Hell, I would get season tickets just to make sure I had a seat for the Packer Viking game. |
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PossibleCabbage 
Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Posts: 2442
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I live in Minnesota, and I hate the Vikings but I don't want to see them leave. I just don't want to have to pay for their stadium.
If the Vikings were to bolt for Los Angeles, I do think that the NFL will eventually realign the divisions to put them in the NFC West. Not because the NFL isn't willing to allow geographical oddities in order to keep traditional rivalries alive, but because the Vikings/Packers rivalry won't survive the Vikings moving to Pacific time.
For one thing, people in Minnesota probably won't keep their loyalties with the Vikings once they've left (similar to how you see very few Dallas Stars fans in the Twin Cities), and the people of Los Angeles have no particular reason to dislike the Bears, Packers, or Lions. The Vikings/Bears and Vikings/Packers rivalries will eventually slouch towards irrelevancy, not from the perspective of Packers and Bears fans, but from the perspective of Vikings fans (both old and new). So the NFL would probably have to realign.
So I don't think it would be an immediate realignment, but there would be one inside of 4 years. Also, the NFL tries to minimize the frequency of "west coast teams crossing two time zones" games when they can, and swapping the Rams and the Vikings eliminates 6 of those games annually. Plus, the NFL generally tolerates geographical weirdness in order to protect series that have huge national TV ratings (which is why the Cowboys are still in the NFC East), but the Vikings just aren't that big a draw.
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PackMan22
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 854 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| spilltray wrote: | | PackMan22 wrote: | I think it is much more likely that the Rams move back to LA and then the Jags move to St Louis.
And if the Vikings moved, I would think they would leave the team behind, like the Browns did and then another team would move to MIN and take the Vikings name. |
A couple things.
1) Jacksonville isn't going anywhere. They are locked in tight to their lease.
2) They could do that with Cleveland because they were expanding. Other than promising Minnesota an expansion team, well down the road, they can't promise to make a team go there. Yes maybe Minnesota will keep the rights to the name, but it would be a long time before there is even a potential team willing to move there.
3) They aren't going to pul a shuffle like Team A to City B, Team C to City A. It's just too many moving pieces. |
When does Jacksonville's lease end? Even if it is 5 years from now, try aren't staying there unless things turn around fast. STL have 1 or 2 more years on their current lease and the writing is already on the wall for them to go back to LA.
If the Rams moved to LA, I would be surprised if JAX DIDN'T move to STL. Their new owner is based there and if the city went a few years without a team, I think The Jags bolt as soon as their lease is up.
I'm not saying this all happens in one offseason, but over the next 5 years or so. _________________ Adopt-a-Packer Frank Zombo
Can we please cease and desist with the term 'professional athletes representing their country'? That term should be reserved for one man and one man only: Pat Tillman.-Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel |
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spilltray
Joined: 09 Jan 2006 Posts: 8647 Location: Green Bay, WI
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PackMan22 wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | PackMan22 wrote: | I think it is much more likely that the Rams move back to LA and then the Jags move to St Louis.
And if the Vikings moved, I would think they would leave the team behind, like the Browns did and then another team would move to MIN and take the Vikings name. |
A couple things.
1) Jacksonville isn't going anywhere. They are locked in tight to their lease.
2) They could do that with Cleveland because they were expanding. Other than promising Minnesota an expansion team, well down the road, they can't promise to make a team go there. Yes maybe Minnesota will keep the rights to the name, but it would be a long time before there is even a potential team willing to move there.
3) They aren't going to pul a shuffle like Team A to City B, Team C to City A. It's just too many moving pieces. |
When does Jacksonville's lease end? Even if it is 5 years from now, try aren't staying there unless things turn around fast. STL have 1 or 2 more years on their current lease and the writing is already on the wall for them to go back to LA.
If the Rams moved to LA, I would be surprised if JAX DIDN'T move to STL. Their new owner is based there and if the city went a few years without a team, I think The Jags bolt as soon as their lease is up.
I'm not saying this all happens in one offseason, but over the next 5 years or so. |
There lease runs through 2030. _________________
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PackMan22
Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 854 Location: Idaho
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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If their lease runs through 2030 then there is a way to get out of it. Maybe they pay some sort of penalty, but there wouldn't be so much talk about them moving if they were locked in so tightly. _________________ Adopt-a-Packer Frank Zombo
Can we please cease and desist with the term 'professional athletes representing their country'? That term should be reserved for one man and one man only: Pat Tillman.-Mike Bianchi, Orlando Sentinel |
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spilltray
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| PackMan22 wrote: | | If their lease runs through 2030 then there is a way to get out of it. Maybe they pay some sort of penalty, but there wouldn't be so much talk about them moving if they were locked in so tightly. |
They are locked up like a rock. People just make the smaller market "oh it's Jacksonville" argument and assume they are likely to move.
The penalty they'd have to pay to get out of that lease will keep them there at least another 10-15 years imo. Jacksonville is stuck and not going anywhere for years. _________________
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