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cattleman78
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| ACDC_Rocks024 wrote: | | Hearing that we wanted Kendal just makes my stomach churn. Its such a crappy feeling when you're set on a player and the team is set on him too, and he goes right before us...boy does that seem familiar... |
I think if we had not traded picks for Richardson we might have traded up a bit for Kendall Wright. Browns went in wanting to draft Richardson and Weeden i.m.o. than they let the w.r. and r.t. play out. When Kendall didn't make it to pick 22 the draft for the Browns probably changed. At pick 37 the Browns must have felt Schwartz was b.p.a.
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | ACDC_Rocks024 wrote: | | Hearing that we wanted Kendal just makes my stomach churn. Its such a crappy feeling when you're set on a player and the team is set on him too, and he goes right before us...boy does that seem familiar... |
yeah, and the two players we selected subsequently, IMO are on the verge of pro-bowl spots
(joe haden and phil taylor) |
I REALLY think he's referring to CJ lol |
Who is CJ? |
Megatron.
How can others forget the epic man crush that ACDC has on Calvin years ago.
I think he was devastated when he went before us. |
If Brandon Weeden plays to the same level as Joe Thomas, ACDC will forget that he even knew who Kendall Wright was.
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: Holmgren interview 5/8 |
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| dawgdish wrote: | | fatpig wrote: |
- thinks MoMass is gonna have a breakout year.
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This was among the most interesting things he said, IMO. To single him out by name and spend the time talking about him makes me think Holmgren genuinely sees something in MoMass, and he knows a thing or two about West Coast recievers. |
yep i found this rather confusing. MoMass hasn't really showed much on the field. i thought he might even be cut this offseason. he runs mediocre routes but does have the ability to make amazing catches... he made a few nice sideline catches on bad passes last year that i can recall.
i hope Holmgren is right but i'm still pretty skeptical. i can't imagine MoMass running fearlessly down the middle after the big hits/concussions he's suffered. we'll see though. if Weeden pans out, it'll be amazing to see what good QB play can do for a WR corps.
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| ditchdigger wrote: | You know it. I know it. They know it. Everyone knows that Weeden will be the starter.
The only reason that the team hasn't come out and said it is out of respect to the incumbent.
Just another in the list of reasons Colt McCoy has got to go. |
I see no reason why McCoy has got to go.
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgX wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | You know it. I know it. They know it. Everyone knows that Weeden will be the starter.
The only reason that the team hasn't come out and said it is out of respect to the incumbent.
Just another in the list of reasons Colt McCoy has got to go. |
I see no reason why McCoy has got to go. |
Really?
The last thing this franchise needs is another QB controversy or a split locker room. |
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roger murdock
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Holmgren interview 5/8 |
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| dawgdish wrote: | | fatpig wrote: |
- thinks MoMass is gonna have a breakout year.
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This was among the most interesting things he said, IMO. To single him out by name and spend the time talking about him makes me think Holmgren genuinely sees something in MoMass, and he knows a thing or two about West Coast recievers. |
MoMass was a terrible fit with Colt McCoy. MoMass is an intermediate/deep receiver. Hes not that good at running short routes and has had bad luck getting two concussion from hospital balls Colt threw on short routes.
Hes had his best games under Delhomme and DA who threw it downfield more (as well as the game vs the Lions with Quinn where he got wide open deep twice).
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | DawgX wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | You know it. I know it. They know it. Everyone knows that Weeden will be the starter.
The only reason that the team hasn't come out and said it is out of respect to the incumbent.
Just another in the list of reasons Colt McCoy has got to go. |
I see no reason why McCoy has got to go. |
Really?
The last thing this franchise needs is another QB controversy or a split locker room. |
i don't see how having Weeden and Colt on the roster could cause a controversy or divided locker room.
its not like Colt was stellar when he was given the chance to start. he doesn't make much money either, probably just as much or less than a different good backup QB. he has to know that he wouldn't start on any other team he goes to, barring injury or another starter being demoted.
worst case scenario is that Weeden starts and flat out sucks. like worse than 13ppg sucks. in which case there would be calls for Colt. but we'd be screwed either way in that situation with or without Colt on the roster. i;d actually argue we'd be better off giving Colt the starting position then rather than Seneca or some other schmuck.
another less likely scenario would be that Colt beats Weeden out in TC and gets the nod to start. then if Colt sucks we'd all be calling for H&H to be fired and my head would probably explode.
either way i don't see a point in letting Colt go, unless for some reason a team overpays for him in a trade (and we can pry the Dreamy One back from KC)
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | mistakebytehlak wrote: | | ACDC_Rocks024 wrote: | | Hearing that we wanted Kendal just makes my stomach churn. Its such a crappy feeling when you're set on a player and the team is set on him too, and he goes right before us...boy does that seem familiar... |
yeah, and the two players we selected subsequently, IMO are on the verge of pro-bowl spots
(joe haden and phil taylor) |
I REALLY think he's referring to CJ lol |
Who is CJ? |
Megatron.
How can others forget the epic man crush that ACDC has on Calvin years ago.
I think he was devastated when he went before us. |
i think i pm'd him trying to talk him out of suicide...
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DawgX
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | DawgX wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | You know it. I know it. They know it. Everyone knows that Weeden will be the starter.
The only reason that the team hasn't come out and said it is out of respect to the incumbent.
Just another in the list of reasons Colt McCoy has got to go. |
I see no reason why McCoy has got to go. |
Really?
The last thing this franchise needs is another QB controversy or a split locker room. |
I don't think there will be a controversy. I think Holmgren is sure that Weeden is going to be the starter but he's not going to say he is right now... he's going to make him work for it.
What could the Browns get in return for McCoy? I'd say they'd be lucky to get a fifth-round pick for him. Even if McCoy is strictly a backup, he's a good one and a good backup is worth more than a sixth or seventh-round pick. Besides, I still think McCoy has the talent to become a good quarterback so I'd like to keep him around in case Weeden doesn't work out.
I also found it interesting what Holmgren said about Massaquoi. I was a big fan of his after his rookie year but he hasn't taken the next step. However, he hasn't been helped by the quarterback play and injuries. Also, before Greg Little arrived, Massaquoi usually went up against #1 CBs and he's not good enough to beat those guys. With the right quarterback, I think Massaquoi could finally emerge into a very solid receiver.
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For Grossi, this is a fairly balanced article.
Maybe more importantly, the video is great.
Although it has me wondering how much Weeden's success had to do with having Blackmon (no progressions to speak of).
Also makes me want to shoot the jerk that keeps saying "Pistols firing"
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| bruceb wrote: | For Grossi, this is a fairly balanced article.
Maybe more importantly, the video is great.
Although it has me wondering how much Weeden's success had to do with having Blackmon (no progressions to speak of).
Also makes me want to shoot the jerk that keeps saying "Pistols firing" |
I don't think Blackmon made Weeden the QB he was. Actually, one could argue that Weeden helped make Blackmon look better than he is (and this is coming from a big Blackmon fan). Weeden consistently made beautiful throws in Blackmon's direction and Blackmon did the rest. He hit Blackmon in stride and Blackmon was able to get a lot of YAC. Sounds like an ideal fit for the WCO because that's primarily how WRs are supposed to get most of their yards.
Also, it's not like Blackmon was the only receiver Weeden targeted. He also threw to Josh Cooper quite often, who happened to be signed by the Browns.
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| DawgX wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | For Grossi, this is a fairly balanced article.
Maybe more importantly, the video is great.
Although it has me wondering how much Weeden's success had to do with having Blackmon (no progressions to speak of).
Also makes me want to shoot the jerk that keeps saying "Pistols firing" |
I don't think Blackmon made Weeden the QB he was. Actually, one could argue that Weeden helped make Blackmon look better than he is (and this is coming from a big Blackmon fan). Weeden consistently made beautiful throws in Blackmon's direction and Blackmon did the rest. He hit Blackmon in stride and Blackmon was able to get a lot of YAC. Sounds like an ideal fit for the WCO because that's primarily how WRs are supposed to get most of their yards.
Also, it's not like Blackmon was the only receiver Weeden targeted. He also threw to Josh Cooper quite often, who happened to be signed by the Browns. |
True....but if you watched a lot of their games....you could also say that Blackmon bailed Weeden out as much as you can say Weeden made great throws. Some of the throws that Weeden made, Blackmon had to make an amazing catch...especially times when Weeden was trying to force it to Blackmon. I think it's safe to say that Blackmon helped Weeden more than Weeden helped Blackmon...just watch Blackmon and his ability to adjust to the ball. Blackmon might not have the burner speed, but he does have an amazing ability to make plays on the ball and to gain YAC.
Hoping Weeden has success right away since our offense got a major improvement, including Weeden's ablility to throw it down the field more....still not convince on Shurmur's ability to call plays that are in the intermediate to deep range....Bradford had a 5.95 Average Yard per attempt....I guess this year we will find out if the stats of Bradford and McCoy were due to Shurmur's play calling or their lack of great QB play. |
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I agree that Holmgren's comments about MoMass were interesting, and I've thought for a while that MoMass was one of the hardest players to figure out.
I don't go to every game, so I obv can't see the WR's go out every play, but it seemed to me that MoMass's route running looked much improved. It was a knock on him for some time, and it was clear to me that he had worked hard at improving it. There were a handful of times during games last season where it seemed like MoMass was just kinda miffed out there. Miffed at McCoy? Miffed at Shurmur? Miffed at life? I don't know.
He seems capable enough to me to be a good WR. Probably never a game changer, but a solid pro. I still have hope for him, but one more good hit in the head, and he's probably done.
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