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IrishGreen
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>implying just because weeden and watkins were old, i should now accept old prospects
ROFL
STILL WOULDN'T TAKE
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Packerraymond
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | | IrishGreen wrote: | | I want to see another season of Mathieu before I'm sold. He's pretty overrated in my eyes right now. |
I have seen enough to know I hate him. Suspended for drug use, sucker punching Dre Kirkpatrick, and getting abused in coverage in the National Championship game by AJ McCarron. That should tell you everything you need to know. Some of these comparisons to Woodson drive me nuts. The Honey B!*ch couldn't hold a candle to Woodson. |
Woodson sucker punched David Thomas and everyone of our corners were burned repeatedly this year, along with our safeties and our LB's, by that logic you pretty much hate our defense.
I watch every LSU game, between them and the Badgers I couldn't pick a favorite college team, love them both. I'd take Mathieu for this defense over Peterson or Claiborne. Both of those two are bigger and faster than TM, but Mathieu's ability to locate the ball and always make a play are right in line with that of Woodson. He's the only guy in college football we could draft to fill that role when Charles retires. The number of positions you can line him up in, the way he blitzes off edge, he's a slot defender that finds the football, which is the definition of how Woodson plays. I hope TT doesn't flinch at the height, its not great, but they don't always come in packages like Peterson or Claiborne.
Imagine that LSU defense if Brockers came back  Brockers, Mathieu, Mingo, Reid, Loston, and Montgomery could have all be 1st round picks next year, they would've been better than Bama.
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PossibleCabbage
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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I think we should quash the "Matthieu in green and gold" talk as soon as possible. Tyrann Matthieu is 5'8 1/2" tall. That would be the shortest player TT has ever drafted at any position, and DB is a position where TT clearly prioritizes height (the man doesn't even draft 5'8" RBs, no way he touches a 5'8" CB).
Consider that TT heavily prioritizes high character, team leader type guys with his high picks, I don't there is a chance whatsoever that TT even looks at Matthieu before day 3 (and he will be gone well before then.) |
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Packerraymond
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| PossibleCabbage wrote: | I think we should quash the "Matthieu in green and gold" talk as soon as possible. Tyrann Matthieu is 5'8 1/2" tall. That would be the shortest player TT has ever drafted at any position, and DB is a position where TT clearly prioritizes height (the man doesn't even draft 5'8" RBs, no way he touches a 5'8" CB).
Consider that TT heavily prioritizes high character, team leader type guys with his high picks, I don't there is a chance whatsoever that TT even looks at Matthieu before day 3 (and he will be gone well before then.) |
There's nothing about Mathieu that says he isn't a team leader or a character guy, it's just perception and overreaction on message boards. The height is true, but Mathieu is dynamic, regardless of the size. Charles Woodson would be a great football player if he was 5'8, size is the same reason Aaron Rodger walked onto a community college team out of HS. I would never use it as the sole deciding factor for player evaluation and I won't believe for a second TT does either.
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MNPackfan32
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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| This isn't about him being short really. It's the drug suspension, and some of his actions on the field. Plus he had a hell of a lot better pass rush than our coverage unit did and faced a million times worse QB's. He got abused by AJ McCarron and Brad Smelly, he should work well against Stafford and Megatron and Pettigrew. I just can't buy into a guy who is undersized and has character red I could if it was just his height but the combo of both reds takes him off my board. |
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Packerraymond
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | | This isn't about him being short really. It's the drug suspension, and some of his actions on the field. Plus he had a hell of a lot better pass rush than our coverage unit did and faced a million times worse QB's. He got abused by AJ McCarron and Brad Smelly, he should work well against Stafford and Megatron and Pettigrew. I just can't buy into a guy who is undersized and has character red I could if it was just his height but the combo of both reds takes him off my board. |
LSU defense was very solid in the BCS game, no one was abused unless they played offense, don't remember what you are describing? Smelley averaged just under 6 yards a catch, and Mccarron averaged 6.9 a completion, they dink and dunked and didn't reach the endzone till the closing minutes.
The drug test is what it is, I can see if a school takes him off their board for it or they don't. I'm in my 4th year of school right now and I have a clean record, but that doesn't mean I haven't had my fun here. Its up to the teams to do their work in the interviews, no one will be taken off a board until we get to that point.
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MNPackfan32
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Might not have been Smelly but I recall him giving up a couple of bigger plays. Not super high yards but big impactfull plays. I don't know where you play him either. And to me it's pretty standard to take a guy with a failed drug test off my board. I used think it wasn't a big deal, to me it's less about smokin pot and more about not thinking before you act or not knowing to get out of a bad situation. |
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Packerraymond
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | | Might not have been Smelly but I recall him giving up a couple of bigger plays. Not super high yards but big impactfull plays. I don't know where you play him either. And to me it's pretty standard to take a guy with a failed drug test off my board. I used think it wasn't a big deal, to me it's less about smokin pot and more about not thinking before you act or not knowing to get out of a bad situation. |
There's no way to support it I agree, but he got suspended as a true sophomore, a 19 year old. How many 19 year olds think before they act? He's got no excuses, but if there isn't a history there you have to bring the kid in for an interview, it should be the goal of these college coaches to bring in these 17 year old kids and turn them into men when they are 21-22, if they don't grow up by that age, they come off the board.
As far as his position, whats Woodson's position? The guy isn't an island cover corner like Revis, he's actually an average at best pure coverage corner, but you wouldn't utilize him like that. Guys like Woodson, Polumalu, they are crazy instinctive, always around the ball and know how to make plays when the opportunity presents itself. Mathieu is the same at LSU, closes, tackles, blitzes, causes turnovers, but a typical Clairborne style cover corner he is not.
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MNPackfan32
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| You are selling Woodsons cover skills way short. He was 35 most of last year, when he was 33 he won DPOY and was an ELITE cover corner. He isn't that any more but his ball skills make his coverage skills much more than "average at best". I don't doubt Mathieus toughness or willingness to hit or tackle but go back and watch some Woodson at Michigan, twice the prospect as Mathieu especially when you figure in Woodsons H/W/S. |
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Gbpckr50
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These are two guys that I really want
Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
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Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
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PossibleCabbage
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't get my heart set on any name brand RBs just yet, Ted just doesn't seem to value them as much as the rest of the NFL. In eight drafts with the Packers, Ted has selected a running back only three times (2011: Alex Green, 2010: James Starks, 2007: Brandon Jackson and DeShawn Wynn). It's not like he's been spoiled for draft picks (or running backs) in that time, he just seems to value the position much less than other NFL teams and so it's extremely rare to see an RB be high board when the Packers pick.
I think Starks and Green are going to be given every chance to carry the load, so I wouldn't expect Ball or Lattimore to have a shot at landing here. |
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JustisM
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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In the few 2013 mocks on the site here have been the Packer Picks so far:
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27. Green Bay Packers: Khaled Holmes C, USC - Jeff Saturday is a stop-gap at this point in his career, so I'd expect the Packers to look for a replacement next season either in the draft or free agency. |
| TheOsprey wrote: | | 32. Green Bay- Robert Lester, S, Alabama |
| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | 31. Green Bay Packers // Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina 62. Green Bay Packers // Jonathan Cooper, OG North Carolina |
| Mr. X wrote: | | *30. Green Bay Packers (13-3) – C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama – The Packers have a great offense but their defense showed last year that it had some major issues and while they used their first six draft picks in 2012 on defense they can still use more help on that side of the ball and C.J. Mosley is a classic Alabama middle linebacker that has the potential to be a major player in the NFL. Left tackle is a possibility but Mosley is far superior than any left tackle available at this point. |
| Tyler2015 wrote: | 32. GB- Matt Elam, S, Florida
64. GB- Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama |
| LeGarrettsBlunt wrote: | 31. Green Bay Packers - Johnthan Banks, CB
The Packers could look for a CB in the 2013 draft. Charles Woodson is nearing the end of his career, surprisingly. They took Casey Hayward in 2012 but they might look for another CB.
62. Green Bay Packers - Chance Warmack, OG
The Packers could still use interior offensive line depth.
94. Green Bay Packers - Arthur Brown, ILB
The Packers may be looking to replace A.J. Hawk in the 2013 draft. |
| zacapr22 wrote: | | 30. GB Micah Hyde CB Iowa |
| Chiefer wrote: | 30. Green Bay Packers - Tyrann Mathieu, FS/CB/DB, LSU
Changing this pick because I heard Mathieu will be declaring for 2013. Mathieu is an interesting case, and will need to go to a team that can tailor him into the Defense and allow him to be a playmaker and roam. What better Defense then Dom Capers' Packers? Mathieu reminds me exactly of Charles Woodson does for the Packers especially in 2010, he's not exactly the athlete that C-Wood is but he plays smart, has great instincts, is a sure tackler, makes plays, etc. Woodson isn't getting any younger, and Mathieu can very well be the heir apparent. Its not like he won't have value either learning the game till Woodson leaves because he's dynamic in the return game. Honey Badger could go earlier though if a team falls in love with him like the Buccaneers did for Barron, I feel late first is perfect for him. |
So everyone seems to think DB/RB is our biggest need. I can't argue with them. I liked that someone had a center going to us early. Just not that certain center. Also since when do we need more guards??
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RiotPunch
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I liked Johnathan Banks as a potential 1st/2nd round pick for the Pack in the 2012 draft before he opted to go back to school. Not sure we'll need him in a year if House and Hayward make strides, but that guy is a great CB prospect.
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Two guys I like are:
Khalid Holmes C USC
Holmes is someone that has experience at guard and center, seeing that Saturday is on his last legs and Lang is in the final year of his contract, he is someone that could play either position for us. He did a good job in protecting Barkley last year and did what he could for their rushing attacking.
Johnathan Hankins DT/DE Ohio State
I know we just drafted Worthy and still have Neal, but Hankins would be a guy that can take over for Pickett. He is big and powerful to stuff the run and can offer a bigger pass rush than Pickett does. Worthy-Raji-Hankins would be a big defensive line and could free up Perry and Matthews. |
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JustisM
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First 2013 GM Mock Draft of the year on FF http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=491765 and I picked up Marcus Lattimore 11th overall for us. Had to make this trade to do it too
| green24 wrote: | TRADE
Jets receive:
1(32)
2(64)
4(128)
G/C Sampson Genus
Packers receive:
1(11)
6(171) |
Think I gave up too much? Just enough? Hate the pick?
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