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buno67
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| mistakebytehlak wrote: | | buno67 wrote: | | roger murdock wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | roger murdock wrote: |
Ding ding ding. He mostly throws in-completions when pressured. He gets the ball out. Beats sacks. Sometimes he might turn it over and sometimes he makes big plays. I expect our sacks to be cut in half next season. |
That would put the Browns at 20 sacks allowed on the season. That is an absurdly low number. 2007 really spoiled us. |
I was exagerating I guess, but I feel Colt took so many unnecessary sacks and hits from holding the ball so long. |
he had to hold onto the ball because he was always trying to make plays...he was forced to try and make plays because this offense had zero playmakers last year. big difference from last year to this year is this guy named Trent Richardson. Weeden knows if a play blows up that he can throw it away and the next play he can just get it to TRich who can make a play. TRich could score at any point in the game with his running ability. Last year the offense was badly missing that ability. So McCoy had to hold onto the ball and hope something came open or attempt to force something |
...he left a lot of plays on the field. be real. he ran into a lot of sacks and had bad pocket awareness. |
all I ways saying is a lot of crap mccoy did, he did because he felt the pressure that he had to be the one to make all the plays because no one else had the ability to do so. Im just saying for a young QB he put a lot of pressure on him and its prolly what lead to a lot of his mental mistakes. you look at all the top QBs in the league and they have playmakers around them that make their job easiers. McCoy had zero playmakers around him and it made his life harder. Im not saying I want to give McCoy a shot at the starter, i dont because Weeden is the better.more talented QB but a lot of McCoys problems IMO could be truly connected to his horrible surrounding cast. I say half the blame is on him and half the blame is on his teammates. I think we saw the pressure of our WRs trying to froce big plays and it lead to the drops. Its like our WRs were thinking about what there first and second move was going to be before the ball was ever caught. u dont concentrate on the ball ur going to most likely drop it
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ditchdigger
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| buno67 wrote: | | Its like our WRs were thinking about what there first and second move was going to be before the ball was ever caught. u dont concentrate on the ball ur going to most likely drop it |
Or they were thinking about the huge hit McCoy was throwing them into.
Weeden's lasers remove that fear.
| PatMcManamon@PatMcManamon wrote: | | After three practices in shorts, I can unequivocally say Brandon Weeden is im-Phreaking-pressive (note homage to Phil Taylor). |
| Dennis Manoloff@dmansworldpd wrote: | | A #Browns coach: "Nice throw, Weeds!" That was music to my ears. |
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roger murdock
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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Its nice to be hearing good things about a rookie QB in camp. I remember hearing Quinn and McCoy were showing really bad warning signs in camp early.
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Dawgpoun8017
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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I was watching some video on mini camp on him and it showed him taking some snaps from under center as well, and to me he looked pretty comfortable in doing so
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NickZambo
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Dawgpoun8017 wrote: | | I was watching some video on mini camp on him and it showed him taking some snaps from under center as well, and to me he looked pretty comfortable in doing so |
No kidding 
I would be comfortable taking a deuce with the bathroom door open in browns stadium if the place were empty. Wait until there is someone lined up on the other side and we will see how comfortable he looks under center.
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ditchdigger
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Here's Pat McManamon's take:
Weeden shines at his first Browns mini-camp
Similar to what you're saying NickZambo, he gives us a grave reminder among all the gushing:
| Pat McManamon wrote: | Nobody wants to gush over a minicamp day. When heading that way, it’s always wise to recall that it was this event that made Spergon Wynn into a folk hero of sorts way back in 2000.
Wynn fired passes all over the field, one that went 50 yards down the field on a line and dropped into a receiver’s hands.
His career quarterback rating turned out to be 13.1.
Keeping that perspective is healthy. |
The rest of the article is quoting Shurmur, who can barely contain his pants-tent and has nothing but damning (for McCoy) praise for Weeden's ability to throw.
| Pat Shurmur wrote: | | Accuracy comes in more than just completion percentage. It’s hitting a guy in stride so he can make some yards after the catch, and hitting him in stride so he doesn’t get lit up by a defender. |
Good luck in your future endeavors, Colt. |
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StewieRules
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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OK, enough of all that - lets ask something critical here ......
Where's the shield??
Thought that looked kinda cool actually. I wonder if Gruden shamed him out of it |
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ditchdigger
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Just rewatched Weeden's QB Camp segment on youtube because he's my favorite QB in the NFL now.
Last words he says on there: "I'm gonna win some games."
BELIEVELAND is back. |
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Dawgpoun8017
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| ditchdigger wrote: | Just rewatched Weeden's QB Camp segment on youtube because he's my favorite QB in the NFL now.
Last words he says on there: "I'm gonna win some games."
BELIEVELAND is back. |
HELL YES MOFO GIMMIE DAT BECKY BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
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MarkPrice25
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:52 am Post subject: |
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As much as I'm starting to like the Weeden pick, I still think Colt deserves another chance to start in this league. But at this point, that chance can't be on the Browns. Are there any warm weather teams in need of a QB?
And I like that I'm hearing a lot of good stuff coming out of camp, but it's early May. Everyone's hearing good stuff out of camp in early May.
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Not to be a downer....but I look at these rookie mini camps as if one of my friends stopped by and asked if I wanted to play catch with them...I'm sure most of us has friends that can throw a football pretty decently, esepcially if its just playing catch with friends...
Now we all know that Weeden can throw the ball with accurracy...but right now he is just playing catch with his receivers and not feeling any pressure coming at him or having to worry about his receivers being covered...
I like Weeden and could care less about his age now...but the thing that will be on my mind until we see him in a real game is...how will he deal with pressure and coverages...not to sound like a broken record, but, there were only like 2-3 teams in the Big 12 that had defences that could cover OSU's receivers (Blackmon being the main threat) and put pressure on Weeden...now I say Blackmon because you could see Weeden trying to force it to him when he felt pressure, even when Blackmon was in double coverage...
I love reading about any sort of training our players are doing because it gives us some sort of an idea on what we may be able to expect from them...I know they are trying to give us hopes, but I wish they would do it without making it sound like RG3's pro day...if anyone saw that you know what I mean...every throw RG3 made, even the short routes, was like "Wow, did you see the spiral on that?" or "Look how calm and collected he looks when he throws it"
Can't wait for training camps and the preseason! Well get a better glimpse of what we can expect from Weed |
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ditchdigger
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Meh, I'll temper my enthusiasm whan I'm dead. |
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pnies20
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| ditchdigger wrote: | | Meh, I'll temper my enthusiasm whan I'm dead. |
+1
What's the point of being a Browns fan if you can't get excited in the offseason.
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ReggieCamp
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I agree. Pretty candid thoughts from Heckert. Well worth reading.
This article may be worth its own thread. Thanks for posting.
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