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| mijags wrote: | | its a toss up to say anyone left in FA right now is any better than what we have on the roster right now........rather have a UDFA with upside that we can cultivate than someone who will cost more and probably be near the end of their carreer anyways...... |
Maybe if this were Madden. I think a ton of people on here really devalue how much better veterans are able to pick up an offense.
That alone gives any vet the edge.
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | mijags wrote: | | its a toss up to say anyone left in FA right now is any better than what we have on the roster right now........rather have a UDFA with upside that we can cultivate than someone who will cost more and probably be near the end of their carreer anyways...... |
Maybe if this were Madden. I think a ton of people on here really devalue how much better veterans are able to pick up an offense.
That alone gives any vet the edge. |
If this guy is impressing as much as he is, I dont see the point in bringing in a random FA WR who wouldnt play anyways over the young guy that is displaying impressive skills.
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| SadLionFan00 wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | mijags wrote: | | its a toss up to say anyone left in FA right now is any better than what we have on the roster right now........rather have a UDFA with upside that we can cultivate than someone who will cost more and probably be near the end of their carreer anyways...... |
Maybe if this were Madden. I think a ton of people on here really devalue how much better veterans are able to pick up an offense.
That alone gives any vet the edge. |
If this guy is impressing as much as he is, I dont see the point in bringing in a random FA WR who wouldnt play anyways over the young guy that is displaying impressive skills. |
Exactly, Stovall was pretty much the #6 WR and barely saw the field. Logan was like #4 and also had a hard time getting PT. Same for Davis. We don't need a vet to pick up the offense, especially if he's barely playing. With the addition of Broyles, the #5 & 6 WR's will play even less. And, if Edwards has a whole offseason to learn the playbook, he should know it as well as any vet (unless we sign that vet today and he begins studying the playbook right away). Edwards also has more potential than any vet who is only good enough for a #5 or #6 spot and is closer to 30 than Edwards is.
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| after making the team as a walk-on in houston, then breaking his leg in 2008 and putting his career in doubt, then having a 20 td season his senior year and then not getting drafted despite that kind of production, i think the kid has a fire in his belly to succeed. i wish all the best to him and hope he makes the final 53. |
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People do realize that Davis and Stovall aren't under contract, right?
Only WR's under contract right now are:
84 Broyles, Ryan
13 Burleson, Nate
18 Burrell, Troy
83 Edwards, Patrick
10 Harris, Marcus
86 Hughes, Nate
81 Johnson, Calvin
12 Karstetter, Jared
11 Logan, Stefan
80 Long, Lance
19 Toliver, Terrence
16 Young, Titus
Also supposedly signed WR Wallace Miles UDFA out of North Carolina A&T today.
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/05/14/source-lions-reach-roster-limit-with-signing-of-wr-wallace-miles/
So assuming we keep 5... Broyles, Burleson, Johnson, Young obviously. Final spot IMO comes down to Edwards and Logan. Could wind up keeping both if Broyles is placed on PUP.
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Quote: | No he used Steve Smith based on SIZE. Edwards is nowhere near Steve Smith speed. So to say he did speed and size is laughable.
So in return I think every 6'3" to 6'4" WR can be as good as Calvin regardless of anything else based on his theoryNot exactly. Steve Smith coming out was the same height, but 10-ish pounds heavier. Edwards ran a slower 40, but had faster times in the 3-cone and 20-yard shuffle. Smith did it 100% healthy, Edwards did it while injured. Bill "Dwight" Bentley, our 3rd round pick, ran a 4.43 and got burned by Edwards on a play. Bentley's speed was spoken very highly of by our Front Office. So saying he's a slow WR, is wrong, and there is evidence to back that. Also, saying that Sllim has a "theory" that WR succes is based off of size is complete ignorance.
Now, do I expect Edwards to make the team? No. Do I hope he does? Yes, because I think he has more to offer than Logan does, and Stovall and maybe even more than Rashied Davis. I think he'd make a decent #5 this year. Last year we rolled with 6 WR's. I want Logan, and Stovall gone for sure. Davis can stay because he was decent on ST's and seems like a good vocal leader. Adding Broyles & Edwards replaces Logan & Stovall. |
Was Bentley not back peddling and covering?
Last time I checked the DB doesnt line right next to WR and run with.
Using that example to show Edwards is fast is hilarious.
A LOT of people can get initial burst past a CB facing them.
He may be QUICK but HE IS NOT FAST |
Based on what? A 40 time that he ran injured? |
Based on watching him play |
So youve watched UofH games and paid attention to Pat Edwards? I find that hard to believe because nobody watches UofH.
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detfan782004
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| LionsFTW wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Quote: | No he used Steve Smith based on SIZE. Edwards is nowhere near Steve Smith speed. So to say he did speed and size is laughable.
So in return I think every 6'3" to 6'4" WR can be as good as Calvin regardless of anything else based on his theoryNot exactly. Steve Smith coming out was the same height, but 10-ish pounds heavier. Edwards ran a slower 40, but had faster times in the 3-cone and 20-yard shuffle. Smith did it 100% healthy, Edwards did it while injured. Bill "Dwight" Bentley, our 3rd round pick, ran a 4.43 and got burned by Edwards on a play. Bentley's speed was spoken very highly of by our Front Office. So saying he's a slow WR, is wrong, and there is evidence to back that. Also, saying that Sllim has a "theory" that WR succes is based off of size is complete ignorance.
Now, do I expect Edwards to make the team? No. Do I hope he does? Yes, because I think he has more to offer than Logan does, and Stovall and maybe even more than Rashied Davis. I think he'd make a decent #5 this year. Last year we rolled with 6 WR's. I want Logan, and Stovall gone for sure. Davis can stay because he was decent on ST's and seems like a good vocal leader. Adding Broyles & Edwards replaces Logan & Stovall. |
Was Bentley not back peddling and covering?
Last time I checked the DB doesnt line right next to WR and run with.
Using that example to show Edwards is fast is hilarious.
A LOT of people can get initial burst past a CB facing them.
He may be QUICK but HE IS NOT FAST |
Based on what? A 40 time that he ran injured? |
Based on watching him play |
So youve watched UofH games and paid attention to Pat Edwards? I find that hard to believe because nobody watches UofH. |
Yes almost every single game unfortunately. Buddy is from Lubbock and one would think he is a TT fan which he is but his other half is a UofH fan.
So I have seen him a ton. He is quick but he is NOT FAST
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| Nnivolcm wrote: | | Every year we have that one guy fighting for a roster spot who reportedly lights up training camp and makes impact plays in preseason games and it seems all the fans want him, but he ends up being cut anyways. Will Edwards be that guy this year? |
Of all the udfa's not named kellen moore, Houston was my favorite to make the squad. |
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | IDOG_det wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | IDOG_det wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Sllim Pickens wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | stylish313 wrote: | | diehardlionfan wrote: | Good to read Travis Lewis showing some stuff.
People forget Lewis was the top ranked Sooner prior to this last season. If he regains his form he will be the steal of the draft. |
Yeah, some people even berated us for suggesting he could be in the LB rotation this season, and even suggested that he probably wouldn't make our roster since he was a 7th round selection.
I'm paying attention to his progress; yes, I was one of those that were high on Travis before he pulled out of the 2011 draft. |
He has a FAR better shot at roster than Edwards |
Why, because he was a big name and went to a bigger school? He was 15 picks from being an UDFA himself, its not like he is a 1st round talent that fell to the 7th. I like Lewis, but am still not ready to hand him a roster spot because in some mocks he was a 1st round pick last year. So was Michael Brewster and he went undrafted and likely wont stick around the league long. I think Edwards has a better shot purely on the fact that we only have 4 WR's, 5 if you count Tolliver but he likely has less of a shot than Edwards for making the roster. |
No because they wont carry two rookie WR this year given who they have at the position.
Given fact Edwards is a midget at WR
Lot of factors |
But they are guaranteed to keep two rooklies at LB? Especially when LB's usually are harder to interchange than WR's? And why would they not keep two rookie WR's when it is their 4th and 5th? Especially when one was drafted in the 2nd round. Edwards is the type of rookie WR you keep. Cheap, low expectations, and some potential. You dont want to spend much more than UDFA contracts for a 5th WR.
5'9" is short yes, but so is Steve Smith and so many other WR's in the league. Hell Titus and Broyles are barely taller. |
I knew you would come at me with Steve Smith. Steve Smith speed is elite.
Give me a break. Its tougher to learn offense then defense as well.
Defensive guys come in this league and make name for themselves waaaayyy easier because its easier to dumb down defense |
Steve Smith's speed is not still elite, its good but not elite. Edwards ran slow in timed drills, but everyone has said he is faster on the field than the poor time he ran. He was projected a mid round pick before the 40 time as well. Also, i didnt come with just Steve Smith, there are a lot of 5'9"-5"10 WR's in the game now, it isnt rare. Hell Stefon logan is shorter, and less effective as a WR likely. |
Gotcha so EVERY 6'3- 6'4 WR is gonna be good in this league because Calvin Johnson is.
Thanks for clarifying |
Where did he say that? |
He said because Steve Smith is good at 5 9 that Edwards can be too.
I am using his theory. |
To me it looked like he was saying that because others his size and his speed and overall similar physical traits have done it before make it possible for him to do it as well. Not that size dictates how good you'll be like you said here :
| detfan782004 wrote: | Gotcha so EVERY 6'3- 6'4 WR is gonna be good in this league because Calvin Johnson is.
Thanks for clarifying |
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No he used Steve Smith based on SIZE. Edwards is nowhere near Steve Smith speed. So to say he did speed and size is laughable.
So in return I think every 6'3" to 6'4" WR can be as good as Calvin regardless of anything else based on his theory |
I used Stev Smith and many others that were his size. Not all have elite speed, and it has been said that Edwards game speed is pretty elite compared to his combine speed. And I never said that Edwards would be an elite WR, so keep putting words in my mouth. I am just stating that WR's his size play in the NFL, since you called him a midget (2 of our WR are his size allread). He is a 5th WR if he makes the team. I am not saying he will, I just really don't buy your reasoning (they wont carry two rookie WR's even though a lot of teams have in the past and he is a midget).
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| detfan782004 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | LionsFTW wrote: | | detfan782004 wrote: | | Quote: | No he used Steve Smith based on SIZE. Edwards is nowhere near Steve Smith speed. So to say he did speed and size is laughable.
So in return I think every 6'3" to 6'4" WR can be as good as Calvin regardless of anything else based on his theoryNot exactly. Steve Smith coming out was the same height, but 10-ish pounds heavier. Edwards ran a slower 40, but had faster times in the 3-cone and 20-yard shuffle. Smith did it 100% healthy, Edwards did it while injured. Bill "Dwight" Bentley, our 3rd round pick, ran a 4.43 and got burned by Edwards on a play. Bentley's speed was spoken very highly of by our Front Office. So saying he's a slow WR, is wrong, and there is evidence to back that. Also, saying that Sllim has a "theory" that WR succes is based off of size is complete ignorance.
Now, do I expect Edwards to make the team? No. Do I hope he does? Yes, because I think he has more to offer than Logan does, and Stovall and maybe even more than Rashied Davis. I think he'd make a decent #5 this year. Last year we rolled with 6 WR's. I want Logan, and Stovall gone for sure. Davis can stay because he was decent on ST's and seems like a good vocal leader. Adding Broyles & Edwards replaces Logan & Stovall. |
Was Bentley not back peddling and covering?
Last time I checked the DB doesnt line right next to WR and run with.
Using that example to show Edwards is fast is hilarious.
A LOT of people can get initial burst past a CB facing them.
He may be QUICK but HE IS NOT FAST |
Based on what? A 40 time that he ran injured? |
Based on watching him play |
So youve watched UofH games and paid attention to Pat Edwards? I find that hard to believe because nobody watches UofH. |
Yes almost every single game unfortunately. Buddy is from Lubbock and one would think he is a TT fan which he is but his other half is a UofH fan.
So I have seen him a ton. He is quick but he is NOT FAST |
Im not disagreeing with you. I just have never watched a Houston game and wanted to make sure people assessing him have.
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| Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: |
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Also, if he is quicker than fast, thats ok because hes a slot guy.
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| LionsFan630 wrote: | People do realize that Davis and Stovall aren't under contract, right?
Only WR's under contract right now are:
84 Broyles, Ryan
13 Burleson, Nate
18 Burrell, Troy
83 Edwards, Patrick
10 Harris, Marcus
86 Hughes, Nate
81 Johnson, Calvin
12 Karstetter, Jared
11 Logan, Stefan
80 Long, Lance
19 Toliver, Terrence
16 Young, Titus
Also supposedly signed WR Wallace Miles UDFA out of North Carolina A&T today.
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/05/14/source-lions-reach-roster-limit-with-signing-of-wr-wallace-miles/
So assuming we keep 5... Broyles, Burleson, Johnson, Young obviously. Final spot IMO comes down to Edwards and Logan. Could wind up keeping both if Broyles is placed on PUP. |
CJ, Burleson, Titus, Broyles, Edwards to open day one. Practice Squad and eventual the new number 5 would be Miles...
Hell, what do I know though.
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| qball8001 wrote: | | LionsFan630 wrote: | People do realize that Davis and Stovall aren't under contract, right?
Only WR's under contract right now are:
84 Broyles, Ryan
13 Burleson, Nate
18 Burrell, Troy
83 Edwards, Patrick
10 Harris, Marcus
86 Hughes, Nate
81 Johnson, Calvin
12 Karstetter, Jared
11 Logan, Stefan
80 Long, Lance
19 Toliver, Terrence
16 Young, Titus
Also supposedly signed WR Wallace Miles UDFA out of North Carolina A&T today.
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/05/14/source-lions-reach-roster-limit-with-signing-of-wr-wallace-miles/
So assuming we keep 5... Broyles, Burleson, Johnson, Young obviously. Final spot IMO comes down to Edwards and Logan. Could wind up keeping both if Broyles is placed on PUP. |
CJ, Burleson, Titus, Broyles, Edwards to open day one. Practice Squad and eventual the new number 5 would be Miles...
Hell, what do I know though. |
I think that's the right 5. Edwards over Logan.
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| DrRay11 wrote: | | qball8001 wrote: | | LionsFan630 wrote: | People do realize that Davis and Stovall aren't under contract, right?
Only WR's under contract right now are:
84 Broyles, Ryan
13 Burleson, Nate
18 Burrell, Troy
83 Edwards, Patrick
10 Harris, Marcus
86 Hughes, Nate
81 Johnson, Calvin
12 Karstetter, Jared
11 Logan, Stefan
80 Long, Lance
19 Toliver, Terrence
16 Young, Titus
Also supposedly signed WR Wallace Miles UDFA out of North Carolina A&T today.
http://blogs.detroitlions.com/2012/05/14/source-lions-reach-roster-limit-with-signing-of-wr-wallace-miles/
So assuming we keep 5... Broyles, Burleson, Johnson, Young obviously. Final spot IMO comes down to Edwards and Logan. Could wind up keeping both if Broyles is placed on PUP. |
CJ, Burleson, Titus, Broyles, Edwards to open day one. Practice Squad and eventual the new number 5 would be Miles...
Hell, what do I know though. |
I think that's the right 5. Edwards over Logan. |
Im liking Lance Long as a Hometown kid to make the Final 53
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Didn't want to make a thread for this because the guy will be a rookie, but the Lions are trying out a German WR who is 6-5 220 pounds, and ran a 4.48 (apparently), and did 12 reps on the 225 bench. The WR's coach was somehow affiliated with Mayhew and sent Mayhew an email about the guy, and then some video and apparantly Mayhews interested enough to pay for the guys flight from Germany to Detroit. There is an article about it on the Lions website and he looks more like a TE to me in the video and slower than the 4.48 and bigger than the 220. He had some really good hands, but made a few catches close to his body that should have been made a little farther out. His coach said he is such a hard worker that he's the kind of guy that if he is on the practice squad at the beggininng of the year, then he'll be on the active roster not too long into the season. I'd like to see what this guy can do.
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