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DawgSoldier
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| kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry. 
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that.
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kethnaab
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
no, i really do want competition. I wasn't kidding. A good RB alone won't do it. A 29-year old developmental QB in the 1st round won't either.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
Or the more likely reason is because they are fans of the team that chose him.
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DawgSoldier
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kethnaab wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
no, i really do want competition. I wasn't kidding. A good RB alone won't do it. A 29-year old developmental QB in the 1st round won't either. |
as a pittsburgh fan are you a liitle worried about the AGE of your defense?
A big strong armed Qb with a power running game should do well in the AFC north
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pnies20
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
Or the more likely reason is because they are fans of the team that chose him. |
Or they trust Heckert more than an armchair scout slinging popular paradigms and passing them as expertise.
Let the guy play before you hate.
EDIT: Not Saying you necessarily but everyone hating On Weeden.. Which does in fact include you.
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pnies20
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW Weeden has smoked McCoy so far in OTAs. I know it's just OTAs but if he is much better than McCoy I'll be happy.
According to Schudel: Weeden tests downfield much more than McCoy, has picked up the offense faster, and has been deadly accurate.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| pnies20 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
Or the more likely reason is because they are fans of the team that chose him. |
Or they trust Heckert more than an armchair scout slinging popular paradigms and passing them as expertise.
Let the guy play before you hate.
EDIT: Not Saying you necessarily but everyone hating On Weeden.. Which does in fact include you. |
The word "hating" is flung around too often. There's a difference between "hating" and just not thinking a guy is good. People, including me, "hate" on Tom Brady. On the flip side, I just don't think AJ Feeley(as an example) is a good player.
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kethnaab
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | as a pittsburgh fan are you a liitle worried about the AGE of your defense? |
well, if we didn't have Ziggy, Cam Heyward, Ta'amu, Jason Worilds, Chris Carter, Cortez Allen, Curtis Brown, and Sean Spence, all drafted within the last 2 seasons, I probably would.
there's some development that needs to happen, but no, I'm not particularly worried about the age of the defense at all.
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ArodFanboy
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| jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. |
I see an uninformed poster. the guy threw into tight windows and made ALL the NFL throws. You say he stared down targets, I say so that is correctable and coachable flaw. |
Ah...so are you looking at yourself? Because you're certainly not looking at me. I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are.
Threw into tight windows?  |
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Weeden is a guy whos going to look great one play and than totally lost the next. He's a top 20 QB in the NFL at best in my opinion.
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Reality_Check
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| pnies20 wrote: | FWIW Weeden has smoked McCoy so far in OTAs. I know it's just OTAs but if he is much better than McCoy I'll be happy.
According to Schudel: Weeden tests downfield much more than McCoy, has picked up the offense faster, and has been deadly accurate. |
He should look good in OTAs, if he doesn't the situation is worse than everyone thinks. The main knock on Weeden's actual game is that he looks like an octopus falling out of a tree anytime the pocket gets the least bit dirty.
Wait til he faces a pass rush before we get a real read on him.
That said, Air Raid QBs (which includes Weeden, and RG3 interestingly enough) have had the worst time transitioning to the NFL. Time will tell, but I can honestly say, when consulted, I listed Weeden as off my board.
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MSURacerDT55
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| kethnaab wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | kethnaab wrote: | | khodder wrote: | | 1 the only people I have seen liking or defending this pick are Browns fans. |
yep.
2 i really wish the franchise would break out of that rut. I miss the old rivalry.
(and yes, I'm being dead serious) |
1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.
2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that. |
no, i really do want competition. I wasn't kidding. A good RB alone won't do it. A 29-year old developmental QB in the 1st round won't either. |
Competition???, we damn-near ruined your whole season, competition...We killed Roethlesburger constantly, and destroyed Mendenhall (He's never been hit like that in his life and ended his season) The only reason we keep losing is because we had a scared QB who nobody had confidence in, dude be serious and get off your high horse. Are you kidding me?
And it's apparent that these clowns are just trying to pile on, because for every reason he has not to succeed, he has just as many reasons he can succeed, lets go over a few.
1. Trent Richardson (Running game)- That takes pressure off any QB
2. An improved OL-Which was already above average to good so he will have more opportunities to have a clean pocket
3. A good Punter/Defense- Reggie Hodges led the NFL in 2010 in punts inside the 20, if he can come back and get close to that production with the defense we have, we can force plenty of 3 and outs and put the offense in easy scoring position.
I really cannot stand the subjective thinking on this thread, Weeden has the physical tools to succeed, it is up to him to fail or succeed point blank...
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ninjapirate
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Reality_Check wrote: | | pnies20 wrote: | FWIW Weeden has smoked McCoy so far in OTAs. I know it's just OTAs but if he is much better than McCoy I'll be happy.
According to Schudel: Weeden tests downfield much more than McCoy, has picked up the offense faster, and has been deadly accurate. |
He should look good in OTAs, if he doesn't the situation is worse than everyone thinks. The main knock on Weeden's actual game is that he looks like an octopus falling out of a tree anytime the pocket gets the least bit dirty.
Wait til he faces a pass rush before we get a real read on him.
That said, Air Raid QBs (which includes Weeden, and RG3 interestingly enough) have had the worst time transitioning to the NFL. Time will tell, but I can honestly say, when consulted, I listed Weeden as off my board. |
Eagles week 1 will be a good test for him. Good man cover corners and probably the best pass rush in the nfl.
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B-More_2011
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. |
I see an uninformed poster. the guy threw into tight windows and made ALL the NFL throws. You say he stared down targets, I say so that is correctable and coachable flaw. |
Ah...so are you looking at yourself? Because you're certainly not looking at me. I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are.
Threw into tight windows? |
Way to throw away your logic and just get defensive. Weeded made some great throws in college and has the arm strength to don't in the NFL, is that too much to admit? I don't think he's anything special either, but I'm not gonna say he's a bust right now because when you have the skill sets that he has these always a chance that the players can be successful.
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dcarey20
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If Weeden was 21-23 years old, he's a legitimate first round pick in my eyes, as many have said. His physical skill set combined with his college production warrants that. My problem, however, is that at 28 years old, I feel he's going to have to produce right away. 22 year old quarterbacks have the benefit of at least 1 maybe 2 years to develop their games. If Weeden struggles in his first year, he comes into year two at 29 with the Browns not really knowing what they've got. He doesn't have the luxuries that a guy like Alex Smith had.
And it's not like this is a team that's got an established offense that just lacks a QB. Trent Richardson should be very good from the start, but he's still a rookie in a division with some of the best run defenses in the league. This is kind of a make or break year for a guy like Mohammed Massoquoi, and while Greg Little looks like a good player, he's got to cut down on drops and refine his game. Weeden's supporting cast has as many questions surrounding it as he does. And their tight end position is the weakest in the AFC North.
There's a lot of pressure on him to come in right away and succeed, because if he doesn't there's gonna be a lot of questions. He doesn't have the window for development that the usual first round QB has, and that's the main problem I have with taking him as early as Cleveland did. |
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jrry32
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| B-More_2011 wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | I think that's what many of us were asking ourselves. |
Beat
Tannehill
Luck
RG3 Twice
and had the cowboys in the hunt for the national title sans an emotionally charged Iowa state game where college coaches died that day.
oh and maybe they see rifleman like accuracy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fji2EeqkcZs
you can teach him not to stare targets down. you can't teach arm strength and accuracy. |
Tebow beat Matt Stafford and Sam Bradford in college. Means nothing.
I didn't see great accuracy. I also saw a QB from a gimmicky offense that didn't read coverage well, struggled with his pocket presence and didn't go through progressions.
I see a bust. |
I see an uninformed poster. the guy threw into tight windows and made ALL the NFL throws. You say he stared down targets, I say so that is correctable and coachable flaw. |
Ah...so are you looking at yourself? Because you're certainly not looking at me. I have no doubt that I'm MUCH more informed than you are.
Threw into tight windows? |
Way to throw away your logic and just get defensive. Weeded made some great throws in college and has the arm strength to don't in the NFL, is that too much to admit? I don't think he's anything special either, but I'm not gonna say he's a bust right now because when you have the skill sets that he has these always a chance that the players can be successful. |
Well, when a person insults me, I'm generally going to respond in an a-holeish manner.
As for your question, I never said any differently. But having a great arm and making some great throws doesn't do it for me. I could give you a long and detailed break-down of Weeden. Looking at his overall skill-set and his age, I don't think he's going to succeed in the NFL. That's why I said that I see a bust. That means I think he'll bust. He hasn't busted yet, obviously, and QBs are the hardest position to judge so I could be wrong. But looking at his college game, I just don't see a successful NFL player.
| ArodFanboy wrote: | Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Weeden is a guy whos going to look great one play and than totally lost the next. He's a top 20 QB in the NFL at best in my opinion. |
Thank you, it means a lot that I still amaze you. 
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