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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: In-Depth Chart: Receivers and Tight Ends |
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| Quote: | Wide receiver
Starters:Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson
Reserves: Josh Morgan
Fighting for a job: Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Brandon Banks, Aldrick Robinson, Lance Lewis, Darius Hanks, Brian Hernandez |
Shanahan said, his top receivers were Garçon, Hankerson, and Morgan. The Redskins paid a lot, some say overpaid to sign Garçon and Morgan. Hankerson was developing into a good wr, when he got injured his hip last year. Moss is fighting for a spot, but most believe he will make the team because of his knowledge of the offense, experience in the league and production. Those three things will help RG3 develop.
IMO things seem to be taking shape at WR.
Garçon, Morgan, Hankerson, Moss, Austin and Banks.
I still thinks banks makes it because he will be this teams best option as a return man still. It's hard to find guys that everytime they touch it you think they will take it to the house. I think Banks sticks again because he has that "it" factor. Garçon might give it to us, or Morgan but that remains to be seen.
| Quote: | Tight end
Starter: Fred Davis
Reserve: Niles Paul, Chris Cooley
Fighting for a job: Logan Paulsen, Richard Quinn, Beau Reliford |
I think this is a pretty good break down for the tight ends, but we need a solid blocking TE who will be like an extension of the OL. I know it's rumored the coaching staff has soured on Paulsen, but with the Loss of Sellers to retirement, I'm not sure why you cut Paulsen when he's such a big and solid blocker. He's also young and is still developing. Paulsen will never be a top wr threat like Davis, Cooley and how we Hope Paul will turn into, but I just don't see why you cut one of our best blockers.
I think we keep 4 TE's.
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I think Chris Cooley will be eventually released. I also would not be surprised if they have Niles Paul at TE because of there recent Shanno Sharpe comparison , just tells me that they are gonna probably see how good Niles is just so they wouldnt be too worried about replacing Cooley or even Davis.
If Davis gets suspended again he is out or they probably think Niles can be so good at TE that they would let Davis walk or trade him and keep Niles who is cheaper and not doing drugs. And I really like Fred Davis he is a very good TE but just seeing it trough Shannys view.
As for WR not surprise Leo is on the list as a starter and I think the injury was a fluke so Im hoping our WR blasts out this year. Atleast Griffin can throw some mean deep balls so Im looking for Leo to have a 1000 yards -5 td - 72 rec type of year.
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Dashing wrote: | I think Chris Cooley will be eventually released. I also would not be surprised if they have Niles Paul at TE because of there recent Shanno Sharpe comparison , just tells me that they are gonna probably see how good Niles is just so they wouldnt be too worried about replacing Cooley or even Davis.
If Davis gets suspended again he is out or they probably think Niles can be so good at TE that they would let Davis walk or trade him and keep Niles who is cheaper and not doing drugs. And I really like Fred Davis he is a very good TE but just seeing it trough Shannys view.
As for WR not surprise Leo is on the list as a starter and I think the injury was a fluke so Im hoping our WR blasts out this year. Atleast Griffin can throw some mean deep balls so Im looking for Leo to have a 1000 yards -5 td - 72 rec type of year. |
if Davis gets in trouble with drugs again, he's suspended for a year. He's franchised (on a one year contract), so if he gets in trouble there is NO chance we can trade him. I think if that horrible scenario were to play out, we would just move on with Paul and whomever else and likely sign a TE upgrade in FA and/or draft a TE in next years draft.
I really think that Davis learned his lesson and he won't have any problems win drugs again.
I hope you are right about Leo, that would be awesome if he progressed that much this year.
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| Quote: | "Moss has come in in excellent shape," head coach Mike Shanahan said. "He's 15 pounds lighter than at the end of the season. He's come in probably as good as shape as he's come in during the last few years."
"I realized that I was playing heavier the last couple of years than I had played at earlier in my career," Moss said today after practice. "I'm down closer to that weight now."
"No knee brace, no swelling, no anything," he reported after practice. "This is the first time that I've been out with the team that I've not felt sore. I don't know if I've felt as fast as I've always felt, but I think that's something that you get back."
Cooley said that he had lost about 20 pounds this offseason in an effort to take pressure off his knee. He said that he still feels strong enough to block, but this is probably the lightest he's ever played as a professional. |
It sounds like if these two are going to be cut, it's going to be extremely hard to cut them. They are in great condition and both seem hungry for the first time in a long time. I'm excited about what I'm hearing out of both of them and Shanahan. I hope their weight loss and them getting in tip top shape results in a healthy season and productive results again from them. 
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/21/healthy-cooley-confident-hell-be-a-major-factor-for-redskins/
| Quote: | “I’ve done a lot of hard work and a lot of running over the last two months and felt better than I’ve ever felt. I’m continuing to get my feet back under me and my speed where I feel comfortable, but health-wise I feel the best I’ve felt.”
“We have a lot of talent on this football team,” Cooley said. “For me to contribute the way I would like to contribute, I think I have a big challenge ahead of me in proving that I’m still the player that I think I can be and I’m still the player that I was. That’s something I’m honestly excited about. That’s what makes good teams, is guys that have to show up and have to compete to play.”
“I can contribute to this team in any capacity, even if I’m not ‘the guy,’” Cooley said. “I’m going to still be a major factor on this team and a major factor in this offense but that’s not enough for me. I want to be the guy that catches a lot of passes, gets a lot of first downs, scores touchdowns. That’s what everyone should aspire to be and that’s what I want to be.” |
wow! I know talk is just talk, but I love he and Moss' new attitudes.
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Davis says the drug issues are a thing of the past. Hopefully he's learned.
| Quote: | “It already happened now, and you can’t cry over spilled milk. The worst part of my day was losing those four games, and having to sit and not help my teammates,” Davis said. “So, the worst is over, something I can learn from, and something that’s not going to come up again.”
“The lockout made me a little bit more free, all that free time,” Davis said. “But still, I’ve learned. I know football’s what’s important now.”
“I’ve just got to focus every day on the little stuff, more technical stuff, run routes better. That’s what I’m going to do,” Davis said. |
I'm liking what I'm hearing. Proof is in the pudding though! 
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Cooley definitely looks in great shape judging by pictures I've seen on redskins.com and csnwashington.com and videos. Rich Tandler said he wasn't wearing any wrap or brace, he was running around and catching passes just fine. He looked to be 100%. He also said Niles Paul,was running around and catching passes all over the place.
He said Paulsen is currently #4 and they will likely only keep 3 TEs, I'm still hoping they value his blocking though. We need a good big solid blocking TE and Paulsen fills that role well. Paulsen had a great interview on Lavar and Dukes yesterday, he said he's excited about the competition. He's an all around good guy, I'm pulling for him to be the 4th TE.
I think we keep only 1 FB this year, Darrell Young. I see Cooley in an HB type role with Fred Davis being the starting TE on the line of scrimmage. I think we will try to use Cooley and or Paul in the same way the Patriots use Aaron Hernandez.
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Garçon talks about the wr group, what he brings to the wr corp, Santana Moss being the leader of the wrs and learning the new offense and trying to fit in. He seems modest, didn't want to be called a #1 wr.
| Quote: | “I’m just a person that’s trying to make plays for the team, trying to get on the field and just do my best every play, every time,” Garcon said following Monday’s organized team activities at Redskins Park. “Just help the team get the ball down the field and hopefully get some touchdowns and some wins on the way.”
Garçon called holdover veteran Santana Moss “the leader” of the Redskins’ wide receivers. “He’s been here for the longest…. He’s been communicating and he’s been helping me out a lot,” Garcon said.
Garcon said he is adjusting well to the Redskins’offensive system and learning to play with prized rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III.
“The play is always on, no matter what happens,” Garcon said. “If he’s rolling out or if he’s in the pocket, he can make plays with his feet and then [complete] passes…. You just have to be ready for whenever the ball comes out and wherever it comes from. You just have to be ready for it.” |
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Brandon Banks was on 106.7 this mornng and he talked about his relationship with John Wall and how they grew up on the same street and went to HS together, he said they are like brothers.
He talked about his place on the team and he feels it's going well and he's healthy now. Hopefully we see his rookie explosion return in his kickoffs and punt returns. From reports, he has been catching everything thrown his way in OTAs.
He also talked about speed on the team. He said he is the fastest, the closest to him is Anthony Armstrong but they've never raced. I'd love to see that race, Brandon said it would be close. He said after that the next fastest redskin was Aldrick Robinson and then RG3 but he's not sure. I was surprised to hear him say Robinson is next, nice to hear that one! I hope they do a race with these guys, inquiring minds want to know who the fastest redskin is.
He said of the DBS at this time he couldn't name who was the fastest. They asked about DHall but he didn't know, I know Josh Wilson is fast also, I thought he was a sub 4.4 guy as is Hall.
Of course Banks claims he is a sub 4.3 guy and Armstrong might be also.
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Turtle, make one post. Not 6.
I dont see how Cooley would be released, when we could get trade value for him. He will take over the H-Back role to add that extra pass catcher out of the backfield. Its the role that Gibbs wanted for him.
It will provide that blanket that RGIII is going to need if nothing is open, Cooley will be the underneath.
Davis needs to be on point. Or he can find himself out of the league quickly. I cant see Moss getting cut either. To have him 4th on the depth chart means there is really good talent ahead of him.
I would love to keep Paulsen cause he can block really well. But I dont think that leaves a lot of room for Paul. And if the run game is to succeed, we do need a decent blocking TE. At least one.
I dont see Banks making the team as just a return guy. Its a wasted spot, imo. Would rather see Alfred Morris do that role.
Our talent at these positions has gotten deep and provides for good competition. So much so that you dont want anyone to be let go. But the nature of the biz says you have to.
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| mike23md wrote: | | I dont see how Cooley would be released, when we could get trade value for him. He will take over the H-Back role to add that extra pass catcher out of the backfield. Its the role that Gibbs wanted for him. |
It makes sense to keep Cooley if he is healthy. To have the luxury to put Davis on the line, Paul in the slot and Cooley off the line would provide multiple means of attack. Cooley is the slowest TE of the three and he works best in short patterns and that will be an essential outlet for RGIII.
| Quote: | | I would love to keep Paulsen cause he can block really well. But I dont think that leaves a lot of room for Paul. And if the run game is to succeed, we do need a decent blocking TE. At least one. |
I've thought of this as well, but I'm not sure that the team is going to keep 4 TEs just to have a designated blocker. I'm not sure what they are going to do, but I expect the coaching staff to go without a pure blocking TE and using the FB and H-back in more packages to compensate.
| Quote: | | I dont see Banks making the team as just a return guy. Its a wasted spot, imo. Would rather see Alfred Morris do that role. |
Yeah, I see Banks gone. I doubt Robinson will do kick returns but I expect him to return punts and add another deep threat. With greater competition/depth there is no longer the luxury of keeping someone like Banks on the roster.
| Quote: | | Our talent at these positions has gotten deep and provides for good competition. So much so that you dont want anyone to be let go. But the nature of the biz says you have to. |
Exactly. Of course you would hope that you make the right choice as to who stays and goes but as long as you continue to draft, you will do well. I wouldn't be surprised to see many long-term Redskins get pushed off the roster next year because of the vastly improved depth (thinking Doughty, Lorenzo)
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| mike23md wrote: | | Turtle, make one post. Not 6. |
Why? Who cares? They're all different thoughts. It's way easier on skimming for me.
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| mike23md wrote: | Turtle, make one post. Not 6.
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yes daddy!   do I have to edit every previous post so i can add to it when I find a new article or hear something new on the radio or something?
It does no one no harm that I posted 4 articles with 4 posts. I read them at different times. It's not like I started a new topic everytime, which hurts no either. I quit doing that though because all a few choice posters did was nag and complain to me about it till finally I gave in and they got their way.
By the way, other forums on this site do not complain to other posters about such petty things.
| Quote: | | I would love to keep Paulsen cause he can block really well. But I dont think that leaves a lot of room for Paul. And if the run game is to succeed, we do need a decent blocking TE. At least one. |
the problem we I'll have if we don't keep Paulsen is blocking, we don't have him, and that's a huge issue. Davis s averge at best, Cooley was average at 250-260 lb, now he's in the 230's, yeh he'll be worse now t blocking. Paul is a versatile developmental threat, he'll be on the team. I see us keeping all 4, we have room. Last year we had room to keep Sellers and 8 wrs right? I think we can keep 1 extra TE as a blocking specialist.
| Quote: | | I dont see Banks making the team as just a return guy. Its a wasted spot, imo. Would rather see Alfred Morris do that role. |
we don't have another player who's a threat like he is when he touches the ball. It's going to be hard to cut the guy who is till our best offensive weapon. Alfred Morris has no speed or home run ability, it will be wrose than having Rock Cartwright as our kick off returner.
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| MikeT14 wrote: | | mike23md wrote: | | Turtle, make one post. Not 6. |
Why? Who cares? They're all different thoughts. It's way easier on skimming for me. |
Thank you, He has a point, but does it really matter either way?
It does not harm anyone if another poster has a few different thoughts and has different posts, heck it doesn't even hurt another poster if someone accidentaly double posts on the same issue. I get it, they don't want to read that many posts from me, but I'm not sure why its such a huge freakin deal.
And you are right, every single post I started was on a differenlty topic about our WRs and TEs and the other one was in response to Dashing's thoughts about the tight ends. 
Ah well, I can't please them all. All I am trying to do is provide news to the forum in one centrally located spot so everyone doesn't have to go all over the internet reading like I did for all this information. I'm not sure why people are upset because I make their lives easier...
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I too will be shocked if Cooley and/or Moss is cut. If they are being pushed out due to other, younger players, you'd surely think we could get some player who could make our 53-man roster in trade for them.
But I don't see that happening. I think both guys will end up getting 70 passes thrown their way.
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| e16bball wrote: | I too will be shocked if Cooley and/or Moss is cut. If they are being pushed out due to other, younger players, you'd surely think we could get some player who could make our 53-man roster in trade for them.
But I don't see that happening. I think both guys will end up getting 70 passes thrown their way. |
Really?
You think both Cooley and Moss could catch 70 passes this year?
I love them both but honestly, I don't see that happening. I think those days may be gone. Not because they both aren't capable of it but becsuse of the other talent and youth we have on the team now. I think if a wr catches 70+ balls it's Garçon, I think it a TE catches 70+ balls it's Davis.
I think Moss will be our second best WR (in terms of stats) and Cooley will be the second best TE. I think both will catch somewhere in the 50s or 60s and have 700 to 900 yds and a handful of Tds. I'm not sure they reach 70 receptions.
I just think the ball will be spread around More than in years past when Moss and Cooley were our only true reliable receiving threats.
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