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Joe, Washburn uses a heavy rotation for the D-Line as we all know. Graham will most likely be Babin's back-up but will stay play over 30% of the snaps. I say that's a key contributor.
Youre shooting down every possible reason for us to defend Graham by just saying you thing Graham will bust because of reasons which he cannot control which is false. He has lost 15+ Lbs this offseason and will be 18 months removed from his ACL tear, which leads me to believe he will be back to his old athletic self. He's the only one who can remove the bust label and he's on track to do that.
As for Allen, he has everything you look for in a centerfielder plus he has the ability to come down and wrap up the ball carrier. With him adding weight this offseason and looking bigger, it shows that he is trying to improve upon something many fans thought was his weakness(His Strength and lack of big hits).
You're probably never gonna see him lay down hits like Dawkins but I believe with his athletic ability and instincts he will be just as good in coverage and impress a lot of people in run support this year.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Rock_#5 wrote: | | Joe, Washburn uses a heavy rotation for the D-Line as we all know. Graham will most likely be Babin's back-up but will stay play over 30% of the snaps. I say that's a key contributor. |
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/D-Adds-Tempo-Aggressiveness/9c1f6175-6d3c-4f0d-9469-4365e07642b6
| Quote: | | The talent begins up front, where Jim Washburn plans to rotate wave after wave of linemen. He has some depth, including rookie Vinny Curry, 2010 first-round draft pick Brandon Graham, second-year man Phillip Hunt and veteran Darryl Tapp behind starting ends Trent Cole and Babin. |
BG will have lots of opportunities to prove himself.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Also, updates from Reid on Graham:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Reid-Assesses-First-Round-Of-OTAs/615484b3-0e9f-48c2-9453-8113eb6db5dd
| Quote: | | "I think he's done well," said Reid. "It looks like he's in really good shape and there is zero effects of the knee right now. He's moving fast. I don't know if you'd call it a chip on your shoulder, but he wants to do well. He wants to prove that he's a quality NFL player and I think he's on a mission to do that." |
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Broadway Joe
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Rock_#5 wrote: | Joe, Washburn uses a heavy rotation for the D-Line as we all know. Graham will most likely be Babin's back-up but will stay play over 30% of the snaps. I say that's a key contributor.
Youre shooting down every possible reason for us to defend Graham by just saying you thing Graham will bust because of reasons which he cannot control which is false. He has lost 15+ Lbs this offseason and will be 18 months removed from his ACL tear, which leads me to believe he will be back to his old athletic self. He's the only one who can remove the bust label and he's on track to do that.
As for Allen, he has everything you look for in a centerfielder plus he has the ability to come down and wrap up the ball carrier. With him adding weight this offseason and looking bigger, it shows that he is trying to improve upon something many fans thought was his weakness(His Strength and lack of big hits).
You're probably never gonna see him lay down hits like Dawkins but I believe with his athletic ability and instincts he will be just as good in coverage and impress a lot of people in run support this year. |
As I said, that's a very low standard for a guy who as a top 15 pick.
By the situation he cannot control I meant, getting injured right before the lockout, having a really bad DC his rookie year and a puppet the following, two guys who are better than him starting and of course to add salt to the wound, there's the fact that two pro-bowlers were drafted after him at a position of need for us. We'll see how he does as a rotational player, but it seems it's going to be a while when he is starting for us.
Allen hasn't really impressed me in coverage, sure he intercepted the Redskins twice last year, but I don't really see that as an impressive feat. He added weight last off-season, he's up to 210 lbs, which is good he's not super soft like he was his rookie year. But he seems to be like a guy who does everything decently but is not special at anything.
I'm sorry but I don't consider "this guy lose this much weight and this guy put up that much" as a proof or good enough reason to expect much difference in their play, based on that.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | He has lost 15+ Lbs this offseason and will be 18 months removed from his ACL tear, which leads me to believe he will be back to his old athletic self. He's the only one who can remove the bust label and he's on track to do that. |
This drives me crazy - how in the hell is he on track to remove the bust label? We're in freaking OTAs, you guys are getting way ahead of yourselves. I love the optimisim, hate the lack of realisim.
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| Quote: | | I'm sorry but I don't consider "this guy lose this much weight and this guy put up that much" as a proof or good enough reason to expect much difference in their play, based on that. |
...preach on
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm sorry but I don't consider "this guy lose this much weight and this guy put up that much" as a proof or good enough reason to expect much difference in their play, based on that. |
...preach on |
I don't think you can conclude that those things alone could make a difference. But it does show dedication to improvement on the players behalf.
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| JayAp07 wrote: | | Remixxxxxxx wrote: |
| Quote: | | I'm sorry but I don't consider "this guy lose this much weight and this guy put up that much" as a proof or good enough reason to expect much difference in their play, based on that. |
...preach on |
I don't think you can conclude that those things alone could make a difference. But it does show dedication to improvement on the players behalf. |
You're right but work ethic was never the problem with those guys, I don't think it changes anything but it is nice seeing they are trying.
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His quote reminded me a recent quote by Jason Pierre Paul.
"People thought I was going to be a bust... and look at me now."
http://nycsportsreport.info/nyc-sports/kate-upton-ny-giants-jason-pierre-paul-at-axe-combine-house/
At 1:05. Watch the video. It has Kate Upton in it to balance out your hatred for the Giants.
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| Brandon Graham still looks fat. He has a belly when he should have a 6 pack. I'm betting against the DE with midget arms and a gut every single time. |
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There's still time Gmen. Maybe JPP blows his knee out this season , Graham stay healthy for the next 2 yrs and we can really compare players and production in 2014. That's the only way a legit comparison between the two can be made.
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Broadway Joe
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There's still time Gmen. Maybe JPP blows his knee out this season , Graham stay healthy for the next 2 yrs and we can really compare players and production in 2014. That's the only way a legit comparison between the two can be made. |
So never?
The comparison can be made, we got the short end up the stick, injuries happen and we are not the best drafters either.
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| Broadway Joe wrote: | | Nabbs4u wrote: |
There's still time Gmen. Maybe JPP blows his knee out this season , Graham stay healthy for the next 2 yrs and we can really compare players and production in 2014. That's the only way a legit comparison between the two can be made. |
So never?
The comparison can be made, we got the short end up the stick, injuries happen and we are not the best drafters either. |
This is the problem I have with this type of statement. We could have just as easily drafted JPP and "HE" had been the one unlucky enough to blow out his knee as a Eagle. Would he too be a scrub /bust knowing what a Healthy JPP has done?? You act like the Eagles knew players like McDougal, Buck , Abirimri, Allen and Graham would start their careers with major injuries? It's a toss up. No one can predict the future. If the roles were reversed and it was OSi and JPP suffering ACL tears instead of Abirimiri and Graham. Do they become the dominate DE they appear to be and even win 1 SB? Sometimes you have to be lucky and not snake bit by major injuries to key personnel. For the most part the Eagles and Giants have been polar opposite and it has ZERO to do with drafting. How many 1st and 2nd rd picks over the last 5 season have the Giants missed significant time/seasons to with ACL/MCL type tears?
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| Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Nabbs4u wrote: | | Broadway Joe wrote: | | Nabbs4u wrote: |
There's still time Gmen. Maybe JPP blows his knee out this season , Graham stay healthy for the next 2 yrs and we can really compare players and production in 2014. That's the only way a legit comparison between the two can be made. |
So never?
The comparison can be made, we got the short end up the stick, injuries happen and we are not the best drafters either. |
This is the problem I have with this type of statement. We could have just as easily drafted JPP and "HE" had been the one unlucky enough to blow out his knee as a Eagle. Would he too be a scrub /bust knowing what a Healthy JPP has done?? You act like the Eagles knew players like McDougal, Buck , Abirimri, Allen and Graham would start their careers with major injuries? It's a toss up. No one can predict the future. If the roles were reversed and it was OSi and JPP suffering ACL tears instead of Abirimiri and Graham. Do they become the dominate DE they appear to be and even win 1 SB? Sometimes you have to be lucky and not snake bit by major injuries to key personnel. For the most part the Eagles and Giants have been polar opposite and it has ZERO to do with drafting. How many 1st and 2nd rd picks over the last 5 season have the Giants missed significant time/seasons to with ACL/MCL type tears? |
Yes I know it's tough, as I said, Graham did not choose to blow his knee. But that doesn't give him a free pass from the bust label. I know it's really unfortunate but it happens to a lot of players. He got injured, which sucks, but that doesn't mean we can't compare JPP to Graham. At the end of the day is lack of production and it's not like the guy was setting the world on fire before his injury either.
And drafting does have a lot to do with why the Giants have a Super Bowl and we don't.
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This is the problem I have with this type of statement. We could have just as easily drafted JPP and "HE" had been the one unlucky enough to blow out his knee as a Eagle. Would he too be a scrub /bust knowing what a Healthy JPP has done?? You act like the Eagles knew players like McDougal, Buck , Abirimri, Allen and Graham would start their careers with major injuries? It's a toss up. No one can predict the future. If the roles were reversed and it was OSi and JPP suffering ACL tears instead of Abirimiri and Graham. Do they become the dominate DE they appear to be and even win 1 SB? Sometimes you have to be lucky and not snake bit by major injuries to key personnel. For the most part the Eagles and Giants have been polar opposite and it has ZERO to do with drafting. How many 1st and 2nd rd picks over the last 5 season have the Giants missed significant time/seasons to with ACL/MCL type tears? |
Amukamara and 3rd round pick Chad Jones instantly come to mind.
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Let's not use the injury as a crutch, no pun intended. Yes, it's unfortunate that Graham injured his knee. But even if he was healthy, what are the odds that he'd be a better player than JPP? Remember that JPP was an All Pro last year, at the age of 22. The injury doesn't mask the fact that you traded up and took the wrong DE. And if all the hooting and hollering about how you traded up to steal him away from the Giants was true - thank you! 
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