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Panthers11

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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

That's my issue as well in part. However, if Weeden adjusts during his second year, it may give the Browns up to three more years to find a true franchise QB and give him an established roster to work with.

I remember seeing Weeden try to throw to the opposite side of the field a couple of times during the Senior Bowl and it raised some suspicion as to whether his previous arm injuries will be an issue. That to me is the risk just as much as the use of the spread offense or age. Still, if he is average and they get the running game going, it might be enough to have some interim success until a better prospect can be acquired.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

If he was a young rookie, they would have had to use the first pick. This way they covered two positions. He'll be solid for the whole contract, which is what the FO cares about.

J
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 6:34 pm Post subject:

onejayhawk wrote:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

If he was a young rookie, they would have had to use the first pick. This way they covered two positions. He'll be solid for the whole contract, which is what the FO cares about.

J

I don't know about that, if weeden was 22 I still think Tannehill goes before him.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:26 am Post subject:

Reality_Check wrote:

pnies20 wrote:

FWIW Weeden has smoked McCoy so far in OTAs. I know it's just OTAs but if he is much better than McCoy I'll be happy.

According to Schudel: Weeden tests downfield much more than McCoy, has picked up the offense faster, and has been deadly accurate.

He should look good in OTAs, if he doesn't the situation is worse than everyone thinks. The main knock on Weeden's actual game is that he looks like an octopus falling out of a tree anytime the pocket gets the least bit dirty.

Wait til he faces a pass rush before we get a real read on him.

That said, Air Raid QBs (which includes Weeden, and RG3 interestingly enough) have had the worst time transitioning to the NFL. Time will tell, but I can honestly say, when consulted, I listed Weeden as off my board.

They maybe bringing some Air raid to the NFL.

Brandon Weeden - QB - Browns

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns will adapt their offense to Brandon Weeden's strengths.
The Browns had a run-heavy, West Coast offense under Colt McCoy, but plan to the take more shots down field with Weeden, and incorporate ''spread and no-huddle concepts.'' The vast majority of Weeden's college snaps came in shotgun.

Earlier this week, Browns GM Tom Heckert said learning Pat Shurmur's offense has been "nothing" for Weeden, and that he views him as their starting quarterback.

Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
May 27 - 7:34 AM
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 5:08 am Post subject:

onejayhawk wrote:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

If he was a young rookie, they would have had to use the first pick. This way they covered two positions. He'll be solid for the whole contract, which is what the FO cares about.

J

Why?

People seem to be thinking his age somehow will help him translate quicker than other rookies.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:47 am Post subject:

onejayhawk wrote:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

If he was a young rookie, they would have had to use the first pick. This way they covered two positions. He'll be solid for the whole contract, which is what the FO cares about.

J

I doubt it. I really don't like Weeden's college tape. Not that he wasn't a very good college player, he was. But what he did in college in no way will translate to NFL quarterbacking.

I think if he was 22, the Browns would still be the only team interested in him in the first round.

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 1:54 pm Post subject:

Just wanted to say...

what a great, awesome and entertaining thread... Laughing

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onejayhawk

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Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:00 pm Post subject:

ThorntonMelon wrote:

onejayhawk wrote:

Panthers11 wrote:

At least he is a young rookie that has time to develop.
Oh wait.

If he was a young rookie, they would have had to use the first pick. This way they covered two positions. He'll be solid for the whole contract, which is what the FO cares about.

J

We know that is not true. They were not the only team interested in him at age 28. Denver planned to take him if he was on the board. Make him 22 years old, then KC and Seattle, at minimum, take a close look. Cleveland could possibly trade down and still get him, but probably not out of the top 10.

As was brought many times in the Tannehill discussion, a QB's Big Board value has only passing importance for QB's who could become long term starters. Comparing Weeden to Tannehill is difficult, because they are so different. However, based on a full season in the same league, it is going to be close, if you have no age difference to factor in.

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:11 am Post subject:

jrry32 wrote:

pnies20 wrote:

Let the guy play before you hate.

EDIT: Not Saying you necessarily but everyone hating On Weeden.. Which does in fact include you.

The word "hating" is flung around too often. There's a difference between "hating" and just not thinking a guy is good. People, including me, "hate" on Tom Brady. On the flip side, I just don't think AJ Feeley(as an example) is a good player.

Thank you! If every negative evaluation constitutes "hating", how are we ever supposed to debate a player's merits?

ThorntonMelon

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject:

onejayhawk wrote:

Can you provide a citation for this statement? I'm not saying you are wrong, I would just like to know where you are getting that from.

ThorntonMelon

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:49 pm Post subject:

DawgSoldier wrote:

1 That is because they have a vested interest in looking at the guy and being very informed on him. It's not rocket science.

2 T-rich Plus a revamped nasty OL is going to make wish you hadn't said that.

I think that Richardson will be a good RB, but I don't think his chances of being a difference making, elite RB, are as great as most people seem to think.

Let's look at the last 10 years of top-10 drafted RBs. In that period of time there have been 7 RBs picked in the top-10. They are:

CJ Spiller
Darren McFadden
Adrian Peterson
Reggie Bush
Ronnie Brown
Cedric Benson
Cadilac Williams

Only 1 out of 7 (Peterson) is a true difference maker.

Its easy to look back with 20/20 hindsight and think that Richardson is a much better prospect that Reggie Bush or Cedric Benson, or Cadilac Williams etc., but at the time most of these guys were considered can't miss players and future all-pros, just like Trent Richardson is today.

Go back and look at the highlight reels of these guys and you will see college players that are every bit as impressive as Richardson. Reggie Bush's highlights are more impressive than Richardson's. Benson is a very similar prospect to Richardson.

So will Richardson be Adrian Peterson or will he be just another good NFL RB like the rest of these guys? Odds are he won't be a difference maker.

iknowcool

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:59 pm Post subject:

To be fair, McFadden, Brown, and Caddy were/are all difference makers. Unfortunately for them, none of them could/can stay healthy.
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject:

iknowcool wrote:

To be fair, McFadden, Brown, and Caddy were/are all difference makers. Unfortunately for them, none of them could/can stay healthy.

Which is another reason to not draft a RB that high.

Not to quibble, but Caddy was never a difference maker. He is a career 3.8 y/c back and has never exceeded 4.1 y/c in any season.

I would agree with you on McFadden if it werent for the fact that he fumbles about 1 in 50 carries. His fumbling negates his value as an above average runner and makes him a net liability.

A healthy Ronnie Brown was a good RB, but not anyone that teams feared. He was never elite.

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Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject:

ThorntonMelon wrote:

onejayhawk wrote:

Can you provide a citation for this statement? I'm not saying you are wrong, I would just like to know where you are getting that from.

It really doesnt make any sense. Denver wanted a young QB to potentially be groomed behind Manning for 2-5 years. By the time Manning's contract is up, Weeden will be 34..

And all the "if he was 22" talk is garbage. Thats the exact reason people are saying its a bad pick. He ISN'T 22. He is 28, and will be 29 this season. It's like me, as a Rams fan, saying that if Janoris Jenkins was 6'2" he would have been a top 5 pick. Or if Brian Quick ran a 4.2 forty he would be a top 10 pick. That doesn't validate a draft selection, its just a cutesy "what-if" scenario and a way to deflect Weeden's obviously MASSIVE question marks. If Weeden was 22 years old it would change his entire landscape as a prospect. His fresh physical tools are there, his wear from baseball wouldn't be, and he would have time to develop from coming from an air raid system.

I'm not hating Weeden or saying that he can't become successful. I hope the Browns do become a good team. Being a fan of an awful football team, I don't wish failure on any teams.
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