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imani
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | imani wrote: | | it seems like he put a C grade on every player he didn't know much about.....there's a lot of 'C's' up there |
Well, if C is average then shouldnt there be a lot of C's? |
are that many of the draft picks really average tho? I respect this thread, because virtually no one decided to do this post draft (i'm sure there was one or two), real talk. My only issue is that there doesn't seem to be enough range. There aren't any F's, hardly any D's, a handful of B's and a few A's....but there are C's everywhere
Unless my math is wrong, he has 250 total entries and 128 of them read C. Obviously, that's over 50%. Just seems like he's on the fence with half the draft and it's posted that way
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: my 2012 draft grades |
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| mrdv1 wrote: | | Pinky wrote: | | mrdv1 wrote: |
Chicago bears:
1. McClellin – C+
2. Jeffery – C
3. Hardin – C
4. Rodriguez – C
5. Frey – D+
6. McCoy – C-
Overall: C
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I can understand the hesitation to give McClellin a good grade where we picked him....but giving the Jeffrey pick a C? in the second round? seriously? |
Yea. Jeffery was severely overrated in my opinion, and you guys brought in Brandon Marshall. Where does that leave Jeffery? He,s definitely not a slot option. Drafting Rodriquez in round 4 rules out a TE move. You just don't know what Jeffery you I'll get and he doesn't seem to have a spot to fit in, and to use a high second rounder on that? Doesn't seem like a great pick. |
Jeffery severly overrated? I don't think being second all-time leader in rec yards in the freakin SEC is severly overrated. Quit reading reports from the media and then regurgitating it online like you know what this kid is going to do. On top of that B. Marshall who is easily a top 10 WR will take away coverage away from Jeffery who is a mis-match in one-on-one coverage do to his size, hands and ability to locate, high-point the ball, and jumping ability to go get it. Once again I get the questions becuz he played at 230 lbs and "looked overweight", but until this year there were no reports of him being overrated and was considered a 1st rd talent. He has Cutler throwing him the ball in which he can get Jeffery the ball anywhere on the field and a top 10 WR and a running game around him with a strong lockeroom presence, so he comes in on a great team and situation. He has as much potential or more to succeed as Wright, Hill, and maybe even Floyd given his talents and his surroundings. Thank you and goodnight. (Taking a bow)
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onejayhawk
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| Posted: Sun May 27, 2012 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | imani wrote: | | it seems like he put a C grade on every player he didn't know much about.....there's a lot of 'C's' up there |
Well, if C is average then shouldnt there be a lot of C's? |
If that was true, there would be as many Fs as As. The Cs seem to cover the entire range from outstanding to awful.
I never like being graded on a curve. Perhaps this is why.
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I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
4 passes? Oh man, HOF for sure. Lazy Billy Winn will be the best player of the 6th?
Browns draft gets no where near an A, and if Weeden fails, its a big bust of a draft.  |
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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i don't get it... Bengals = tons of B's, Steelers = tons of C's. Steelers grade out better??....
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | JaguarCrazy2832 wrote: | | How is Blackmon just a B-? |
Unless I'm missing something, there's nothing special about an average speed, 6'0ish WR who came from a passing attack that fed him the ball. |
Excellent hands, YAC ability, despite his poor straight line speed he finds a way to separate
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
4 passes? Oh man, HOF for sure. Lazy Billy Winn will be the best player of the 6th?
Browns draft gets no where near an A, and if Weeden fails, its a big bust of a draft. |
like I said trent is better than the first two picks of baltimore and pittsburgh
also who in the6th are going to be better
also why dont you comment about miller versus suh
furthermore watch weeden throw 35 yard outs
also why dont you comment about adams the druggie? |
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JammerHammer21
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| mtmmike wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
4 passes? Oh man, HOF for sure. Lazy Billy Winn will be the best player of the 6th?
Browns draft gets no where near an A, and if Weeden fails, its a big bust of a draft. |
like I said trent is better than the first two picks of baltimore and pittsburgh
also who in the6th are going to be better
also why dont you comment about miller versus suh
furthermore watch weeden throw 35 yard outs
also why dont you comment about adams the druggie? |
Why do I need to comment on everything? Why don't you comment on John Hughes, who was a huge reach? Watch Weeden throw 35 yard outs? WOW AMAZING. Clearly he's going to be awesome. It doesn't matter that he's going to be 29, doesn't matter that he came from a offense that doesn't work in the NFL, LOOK AT HIS 35 yard outs. I highly doubt Miller "dominated" Suh. Usually if you dominate one of the finest, if not the finest, DTs in the NCAA the past decade, you don't go in the fifth round. Also, a 6'8 guard? Yeah, that sounds great. Who in the sixth is going to be better? Probably a lot of people, because when name players fall, they usually aren't very good. Quan Sturdivant anyone?
I don't like Adams, but that doesn't mean Schwartz is a great pick either. |
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RedGreenShow
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
4 passes? Oh man, HOF for sure. Lazy Billy Winn will be the best player of the 6th?
Browns draft gets no where near an A, and if Weeden fails, its a big bust of a draft. |
like I said trent is better than the first two picks of baltimore and pittsburgh
also who in the6th are going to be better
also why dont you comment about miller versus suh
furthermore watch weeden throw 35 yard outs
also why dont you comment about adams the druggie? |
Why do I need to comment on everything? Why don't you comment on John Hughes, who was a huge reach? Watch Weeden throw 35 yard outs? WOW AMAZING. Clearly he's going to be awesome. It doesn't matter that he's going to be 29, doesn't matter that he came from a offense that doesn't work in the NFL, LOOK AT HIS 35 yard outs. I highly doubt Miller "dominated" Suh. Usually if you dominate one of the finest, if not the finest, DTs in the NCAA the past decade, you don't go in the fifth round. Also, a 6'8 guard? Yeah, that sounds great. Who in the sixth is going to be better? Probably a lot of people, because when name players fall, they usually aren't very good. Quan Sturdivant anyone?
I don't like Adams, but that doesn't mean Schwartz is a great pick either. |
Obviously Richardson is a better PLAYER than Decastro and Upshaw. He was taken 3rd overall. Decastro and Upshaw were great value for guys who were commonly mocked to go 5-10 picks earlier. Schwartz is going to be beaten like a drum by Dunlap, Woodley and Upshaw twice a year. He was clearly a huge reach. Adams is by far the better player. Druggie? He made a mistake and smoked weed too close to the draft. Whatever. And i assume Benjamin is a slot player? Who did he line up on? Sheldon Brown? Buster Skrine? Real tough task... Not to mention his primary assets are in the return game. Its not like you have Josh Cribbs or anything..
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| Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| mrdv1 wrote: | | keepnitgangsta1 wrote: | | Quote: | St. Louis Rams:
1. Brockers – C+
2. Quick – B-
3. Jenkins – B+
4. Pead – C
5. Johnson – B
6. Givens – B-
7. Watkins – C+
8. Zuerlein – C
9. Brown – C+
10. Richardson – C-
Overall: B |
Why so low on Brockers/Pead? |
I feel like brockers is a huge boom or bust, and I am a notoriously low grader as people have seemed to notice. Looking at it again it could be a b-. Pead went too high IMO and I'm just not that impressed. He's def going to have to learn a lot from Jackson. |
Pead could do wonders for the Rams this year. Tell me when Steven Jackson has ever had a good backup running back to compliment him. That's right, didn't think you could. Pead gives the Rams a COP back they've been missing for years. He could essentially prolong Jackson's career by taking touches from him and reducing his risk of injury. Plus, I've heard Schottenheimer is big on two back systems.
Also, Zeurlein should be higher. He was 9/9 from 50+ and I think 24/25 on the season. Hopefully he can step right in as the kicker and do much better than Josh Brown (which shouldn't be hard) |
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well this is the first time I've checked back in a while. Lots of points argued, and I'm glad to see some people defended me and not all just badgered it lol. A few closing statements to the thread..
1. thanks for taking the time to read through and judge, because it took me a long time to do.
2. yea, i am guilty of not doing enough research on some of the picks. It doesn't mean I did none, but obviously I could've done more on some of the late round picks. If you are going to sit there and say oh this sixth round pick from wazoo mountain state shouldve been higher, then maybe your right, I can tell you though that i read at least 3 different things from three different sources on every player drafted, which in itself took a while. Some I did more, some I left it at that. Potential type players are tough to judge, there are a lot of work out warriors and not a lot of accessible film.
3. testing positive for marijauna does not make you a druggie, whoever said that, thats absolutely ridiculous... and I don't even smoke
4. I dont think its fair to give players an F. If you were drafted NFL teams know enough that u must have some form of potential. If the cleveland browns drafted me, then I would give them an F, even though I would be ecstatic. D basically was my cutoff.
5. There are a high percentage of C's, but it is mixed up because I did do - and +'s. Take that into account, and there is a bigger variety, even if the difference isnt too much between a c and c+, it is between a c- and c+. No one is perfect and no one could have done this grading and satisfied everyone
6. I didn't give any kicker or punter higher than a C because of the nature of the position. Looking back, this was probably a mistake. I just feel like servicable kickers and punters can be found outside the limits of the draft, and that most teams are better off taking a positional player to try and develop or to add depth. This is true to a certain extent, but I see some of your points. Jacksonville would have gotten a better grade and anger had they selected him a round or two later.
7. Have a great summer gents! |
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| nugpimpen wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | INbengalfan wrote: | | DeCastro is an A but Zeitler is a C+? Many teams had them ranked near equal. |
No way
Decastro was head and shoulders the best OG prospect in a LONG time. |
I don't agree with the C+ for Zeitler, i'm just saying they were not equal. |
Some experts had Zeitler ahead of DeCastro.
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| RedGreenShow wrote: | | i don't get it... Bengals = tons of B's, Steelers = tons of C's. Steelers grade out better??.... |
Makes sense if u don't think about it.
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| RedGreenShow wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
4 passes? Oh man, HOF for sure. Lazy Billy Winn will be the best player of the 6th?
Browns draft gets no where near an A, and if Weeden fails, its a big bust of a draft. |
like I said trent is better than the first two picks of baltimore and pittsburgh
also who in the6th are going to be better
also why dont you comment about miller versus suh
furthermore watch weeden throw 35 yard outs
also why dont you comment about adams the druggie? |
Why do I need to comment on everything? Why don't you comment on John Hughes, who was a huge reach? Watch Weeden throw 35 yard outs? WOW AMAZING. Clearly he's going to be awesome. It doesn't matter that he's going to be 29, doesn't matter that he came from a offense that doesn't work in the NFL, LOOK AT HIS 35 yard outs. I highly doubt Miller "dominated" Suh. Usually if you dominate one of the finest, if not the finest, DTs in the NCAA the past decade, you don't go in the fifth round. Also, a 6'8 guard? Yeah, that sounds great. Who in the sixth is going to be better? Probably a lot of people, because when name players fall, they usually aren't very good. Quan Sturdivant anyone?
I don't like Adams, but that doesn't mean Schwartz is a great pick either. |
Obviously Richardson is a better PLAYER than Decastro and Upshaw. He was taken 3rd overall. Decastro and Upshaw were great value for guys who were commonly mocked to go 5-10 picks earlier. Schwartz is going to be beaten like a drum by Dunlap, Woodley and Upshaw twice a year. He was clearly a huge reach. Adams is by far the better player. Druggie? He made a mistake and smoked weed too close to the draft. Whatever. And i assume Benjamin is a slot player? Who did he line up on? Sheldon Brown? Buster Skrine? Real tough task... Not to mention his primary assets are in the return game. Its not like you have Josh Cribbs or anything.. |
Mike Adams is a career underachiever. He has a laundry list of character issues, and the weed one is just another one. He really isn't good.
Schwartz is a better player, but he was more of a late second at best IMO, but the way he handled Perry was impressive. Adams is pretty bad and will need a major turnaround. |
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