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skrILL 
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | skrILL wrote: | If our offense shows up we can go 13-3 and win the top seed in the AFC.
If not we can go anywhere from 11-5 with a wild card or 5-11 with a top 5 pick, which would then be used on a new quarterback. |
I don't see any of this though. We're a 13-win team on paper? If our offense shows up? What indication do we have that our offense will be in any way improved? |
What indication do we have that our offense will be improved?
Nothing is certain obviously. But we added a freak WR with potential through the roof and brought in an offensive coordinator that will help us go back to our roots. Brian Dawkins said on NFL Network the other day that we've gotten lost along the way, that we lost our identity. Sparano will help us bring it back and I expect our running game to explode.
And then there's that Tebow guy who has happened to win everywhere he's played. _________________
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D.Revis24
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I think this is the most talented group that we have had under Rex, but they also have some younger guys so we'll see how things pans out.
Some things I would like to see work out
Aaron Maybin needs to build off of last season and be productive again, it would be great if he had 10+ sacks. I think its possible, he had 6 sacks last season and was real close to getting more sacks and he was limited. More playing time and working on improving his game, he could be there.
Laron Landry staying healthy, that would be a big boost to our defense. His speed will be awesome in this defense.
Quinton Coples having a productive rookie season and booming not busting. If he can come out and create pressure and help others get sacks, that would be big for our defense.
2nd year DL stepping up, Wilkerson and Ellis. Wilkerson had a strong rookie season, I would like to see him take the next step. And Ellis getting into the rotation and contributing.
Stephen Hill having a impact as a rookie, he doesn't need to be a dominant WR. But can he be more productive than Burress was? Burress only had like 600+ yards. Hill's speed and length should make him more of a threat, hopefully he adds that element we missed on offense and can make big plays for us.
The RB stepping up, Shonn Greene showing he is a #1 RB in his contract year, or maybe Terrance Ganaway showing something or anyone.
Mark Sanchez improving, I think he will cut down on the turnovers in Sparano's offense. That could be the biggest improvement from last years team, this offense not beating themselves which could help them win a few extra games. He will connect on more big plays, hopefully bring up the completion percentage as well.
The OL improving, they have more depth than last season. But what needs to happen is guys just playing better. Brick needs to play like a elite LT again, like he did Rex's first 2 years here. Moore needs to show hes not done, that he still has some juice in the tank in a contract year. And of course Hunter needs to improve. This was the same OL that was good in 2010, so they definitely could improve.
Santonio Holmes not being a cancer and being a play maker again, I think he will step it up and be back to making plays to win ball games.
Looking at our schedule and the way this offense will play ball control, I see our defense being elite. I can see us going 10-6 or 11-5 next season, playing for a WC spot as the Patriots will go 14-2.
I also see this team being more humble and motivated this offseason, I think it will translate to the field. I believe in Rex as a coach and I have a good feeling about Sparano as our OC, I think he was the right man for the job at this point in time. _________________
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Robbie Epic 
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I don't see us as much better than a 7-9 team, and I can see us being much worse. Strategy plays a lot into it, and I don't think we have good coaching on this roster. Our talent is so-so, but our chemistry is bad. We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions.
I don't see us being much better than that. I think we have enough talent with good coaching we could succeed, but we don't have that. And our team doesn't have the mindset of a winner. You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly, and a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game. You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good. _________________
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JfaulkNY
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keep reading people say the jets are a 6-10 team, how? they were 8-5 before an epic collapse. rex has never had a losing season with us and i dont think he will anytime soon, unless sanchez goes down.
this team can win 8-12 games. im going with 10. |
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sharpy
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Great post Colt45. I've really enjoyed the analysis so far. In my humble opinion there really isn't that much change with proven players. But what I am sensing is a different lockerroom. I beleive this will translate into an improved competitive spirit. We all like to point at Tone as the problem but the cancer was much deeper than that last year. I can only blame one person for allowing that to happen. Sorry Rex.
I beleive he would be the first one to admit that. To me, the biggist improvement has to come from our coaching staff, in order to improve on last year. Its called accountability, discipline and team play. This will be the biggest factor with our offence. I think our "D" will be just fine if the vanity dissapears a bit. ( Confidence is one thing. Calling other teams out is another)
Rex has tamed it a bit this year to the presses chagrin. I just hope he stays the course. I think if theres one thing Teebow brings with him is leadership and a competitive spirit. I beleive he will be the most overpaid cheerleader on the team LOL but Ive heard many Bronco players speak of his presence in the locker room and on the sidelines. I think he will help more than hinder Marks progress.
I think we are headed for a lot of nailbiters this year. Fieldgoals and special teams will make or break our season which gives me more concern than anything. I think we're good for 11 wins this season with two bypass surgeries! ha!ha!  |
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Revis4president
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Saying that this team is going to have a losing season is so pessimistic. We all know this team is in fact the most talented of Rexs career with the jets so far.
You guys need to realize that we have filled every position of need except RT. The biggest thing we have better than we did the last 3 years is depth. We finally have young depth at the safety position. With Upgrades in Bell and Landry. These guys are both perfect safeties for rex ryan. They immediately make our team better. I love Steed and Fletcher, two cornerbacks who went undrafted but showed alot of good upside in college. Add them to the list of our stud corners in Cromartie, Wilson, and Revis. Now move to the OLB position. Pace is solid, no need to worry there. But now we have significant competition at the other side. Thomas, Sapp, and Maybin. Maybin will get his snaps either way but Rex all offseason has thrived about the pick up of Sapp. This is a guy who provides speed and athleticism. ILB I absolutely love. Scott losing weight, and the draft of Demario Davis who i think was maybe one of the most consistent and possibly most talented pick of all. He gives us leadership and much needed speed. Harris will be good like he always is. Our defensive line is significantly the best we have had yet. Wilkerson coming into his own in year two after a good rookie start. Big Sione Pouha back at NT who i think is the best run defender and line clogger in the league. Now we have a young, big, fast pash rusher in Coples who wont have to worry about double teams, and if he does, it frees up space for us to get to the pass rusher finally. Now for depth Ellis from what we hear has lost alot of weight and has significantly improved according to Pettine, Ryan, and Scott. He will definetly see some snaps maybe alittle in 4-3. Then we have Devito who has been a strong run defender for us the past few years. I like the pick up of Jay Richardson also, i like his size and can be good depth as well.
Two guys to look out for on defense though are Brett Roy and Marcus Dowtin. Two guys with tremendous upside. They both went undrafted but have good history and thrived in playing good competition in college. I like there odds in making the team or practice squad.
Our defense i think might be the best one on paper in the league. We have the best defensive coach and one of the youngest defenses in the league. When a guy goes down for us we have the depth to figure a way to replace him. Whether its ILB, OLB, DE, CB, now S, i think our team has better depth than a lot of other teams. I expect our defense to be the best we have had yet but to also force turnovers and score points.
Now on to the offense.
Mark Sanchez has looked good in OTAs. Shows confidence and is stepped up to the plate in leading the team finally. Who knows what Tebow will do, most of it is overreaction. For the people that say this could be a nightmare scenario are watching to much tv, watching to much nfl live, or stephen a smith on first take. The best player will play. Competition is the best thing for a team. Sanchez needed to grow up and find a way to see that this is his team. If holmes whines to Sanchez, Sanchez needs to be a leader and say something. Because a player whines, whoever it may be, doesnt mean it should be detrimental and make a team lose the final 3 games to miss playoffs. The old guys are gone, Plax and Tomlinson are out. We have a young team now that should be able to build team chemistry and play without pressure. There is no pressure to win the superbowl anymore. Its a goal but now its about making the playoffs. This team can 100% do that.
Our running backs are all young Greene, Mcknight, Ganaway, Powell. The best will get carries. Competition will be nice there.
Fullback i think was underperformed last season. We all love John Conner but TRich was significantly missed. Josh Baker is an underrated player that is talented and can CATCH the ball as well. Should be a good training camp competition. Dont forget about Fui Vakapuna.
Wide Reciever. We have some depth here. Holmes should be the number one if he doesnt take plays off. Hill has tremendous upside and has looked good in OTAs so far 6-4 4.36 40 yard dash is exactly what we needed. Kerley should continue to improve after a productive season as a 5th rounder. Dont forget Chaz Schilens now, when healthy he can be a very consisent, big, and strong blocking wide reciever. The biggest thing is that Chaz, Hill, and Holmes can all block well. This will help the running game.
Tight End. Keller, Smith, Cumberland, linthicum. Keller should continue to play consistent catching the ball. Hopefully he may improve in blocking alittle and hopefully added alittle size this offseason. Smith, who knows about this guy, hes huge and should be alittle project the next few years. Cumberland showed promise last preseason looked like he was finally coming to his own. Hopefully he recovers from injuries and can get back to his form last year. Linthicum is a big sleeper. The guy can block as well as be very consistent catching the ball. Might be alittle slow but he makes up for that in his recieving and blocking.
Offensive line. Slauson, Mangold, Moore, Brick are all the set 4 guys. We all hate hunter from last season because he played flat out horrible. I see alittle sense of urgency for the jets after they picked up to tackles the other day. Stephon heyer and Ray Willis. Also Ducasse is back at G which is better for him as he is to slow. I doubt he ever becomes anything now. Id expect him to be cut after this season unless he shows promise. Big Robert T Griffin should be fun to watch. The guy is a monster. If he can continue to play low, he could be a solid nfl starter. That was his biggest problem in college playing to high when he became tired and getting blown off plays. Hes a consistent run blocker. I think at guard we have good depth Griffin, Schlauderaff, Ducasse. It will come down to getting consistent play out of the RT position.
I expect a big year for the jets. Quite frankly i didnt feel as good going into last season for the jets. We hardly did anything in the offseason. But this year we have revamped the defense got faster. On offense got a young talented size Wideout. And added a new OC that makes things easier to understand. A big thing to realize, with a new offensive coordinator and new playbook this gives everyone a fair shot to become a starter. The best player will play. Usually when a guy gets signed and comes into a new team with veteran returning players, hes a step behind. Less likely to make an impact as fast as a guy who knows the offense. Now we have a bunch of new offensive young players who are know given the shot to show coaches. This will also give Tebow the best chance to make this a competition as Sanchez will be trying to learn as well. If Tebow cant take Sanchez in Camp dont expect him to start at all unless injury. Sparano will play the best players no matter what theyre ego is.
Be excited for this season and stop being so pessimistic because our team is young, talented, well coached. There is no reason why anyone right now should be saying this team is anything less than 8-8. We went 8-8 last year. We are better on both sides of the ball. It was a wake up call. We have an easy schedule this year anything less than 8-8 would tell me that your an uneducated fan that is still upset about last season. |
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Rockice_8
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At best I see us as a WC team with a shot to pull an upset or two in the playoffs, maybe make another AFC Championship run which ultimately falls short again.
On the other hand if the right side of the line and running game don't pick up Sanchez is in for another long season, which might fair or unfairly cost him his job. That means Tebow takes over the last 4 games and we end up 6-10 or something.
I think we are closer to the 1st part then the 2nd so I think 10-6 would be my best guess and whatever happens in the playoffs would be a bonus. _________________
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Harris Smith
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I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle. _________________
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RDawg10 
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| Harris Smith wrote: | | I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle. |
Well said bro.
And revis4president, solid write. I'm with you. _________________
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Colt45fool 
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| Harris Smith wrote: | | I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle. | I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.
Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be. _________________
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Colt45fool 
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| Robbie Epic wrote: | I don't see us as much better than a 7-9 team, and I can see us being much worse. Strategy plays a lot into it, and I don't think we have good coaching on this roster. Our talent is so-so, but our chemistry is bad. We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions.
I don't see us being much better than that. I think we have enough talent with good coaching we could succeed, but we don't have that. And our team doesn't have the mindset of a winner. You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly, and a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game. You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good. | Couldn't agree more. I can't see us being much worse than 7-9 unless Mark gets benched though. I think if Mark gets benched it'll show how poorly coached this team really is. _________________
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Jamison. 
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I do agree this team is poorly coached. I hope we can perform well enough to mask it. _________________
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RDawg10 
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| Robbie Epic wrote: | I don't see us as much better than a 7-9 team, and I can see us being much worse. Strategy plays a lot into it, and I don't think we have good coaching on this roster. Our talent is so-so, but our chemistry is bad. We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions.
I don't see us being much better than that. I think we have enough talent with good coaching we could succeed, but we don't have that. And our team doesn't have the mindset of a winner. You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly, and a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game. You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good. |
Sorry bud but this is the most troubled and dumb statement ive seen in a while. To say that you dont think we have good coaching on this roster is laughable. Last year everyone complained and complained about Schotty. Every weekend i kept hearing how bad his playcalling was and how it has stunt Sanchez's growth to become a better quarterback. Now we have Sparano who may be the best game planning offensive coordinator in the league. Sparano knows how to gameplan its flat out true. If his team has a weakness he knows the perfect way to hide it. He did the past three years for the dolphins. Against teams like patriots, steelers, etc. he figured ways to be competitive with a not so talented dolphin bunch. We couldnt have a better OC right now. We finally have a sense discipline with him around. Players have already came out and said that. He doesnt put any player above any player and thats huge. The best player will play. Also the addition of Karl Dunbar doesnt help? Sanjay Lal? Well i guess to you there not upgrades.
Next Statement you said " Our Talent is So so and our chemistry is bad" Thank you for reiterating that coach ryan. Sorry bro but how do you know that our chemistry is bad? Is this still about last year with a little arguement in the huddle? That happens alot in the nfl just saying. The funny thing is, all the players last year said there complaints were against Schotty, well guess what hes gone. Our chemistry at this point is hard to tell. But i must say every guy on this roster has alot to prove and you can tell they want to. Every player has worked hard this offseason and most are involving with our strength and conditioning program that wasnt there last year. If anything our chemistry couldnt get worse than it did last year.
Now "Our Talent is so so" are you kidding me. Now are you? what are you talking about? our quarterback? RT? What do you want bro and all star team??
We have the best cornerback tandem in the nfl.
We upgraded our safety position with depth and veteran Leadership. As well as Laron Landry (who if pans out is maybe the top strong safety in the nfl) Bell? he is faster than e smitty and has better closing speed. Bell would have made that tackle on tebow last year if he was on our team. He doesnt miss tackles. Very consistent. Exactly what we need
ILB Harris, Scott 20 pounds lighter, Davis fast as hell. (Improved)
OLB Pace, Thomas, Sapp, Maybin, (Slightly Improved definetly not worse)
DLINE Wilkerson, Pouha, Coples, Devito, Richardson, (Improved)
OLINE (Not Improved) Same as last year
TE Keller, Hayden Smith, Cumberland back from injury, Linthicum. (maybe slightly improved if not the same)
WR Add Hill Add Schilens. Hill great blocker. Schilens great blocker. Hill downfield deep threat. (Improved)
RB Greene, Mcknight, Powell, Ganaway (Prob the same)
QB Sanchez, Tebow. New OC, this position should see improvement but for your sake (hasnt improved...yet)
So you said that our talent is so so? What did you say last year? or the year before when we made the AFC championship? We are if not 4 or 5 players different from when we went to the AFC championship. We are much improved bro and very talented. Not every team in the nfl has got every position stacked like i guess you want. Idk man whatever
"We're a poorly built team, the result of rushed architecture and unwillingness to make hard decisions" Poorly built? really you could have said that last year but let me say this look down the AGE chart on our roster. Our average age is like 26 or 27. Thats pretty damn good for a team as talented as us.
Unwillingness to make hard decisions? what? cut bart scott, cut Santonio holmes? Guy they cant do anything with holmes they tried to trade him but we overpayed him and nobody wants to give up a draft pick and pay someone that much after a lackluster year. Scott? Why cut a guy because hes upset by his team for there lack of chemistry and being sat because of his play. These are tough decisions in keeping these guys. To have Scott come back into camp 20 pounds lighter and in the best shape hes ever been?, something was said and Barts doing what he can. Or wait are you talking about the decision to not cut Wayne Hunter? because i guarantee they wanted to but im guessing to you Sparano wanted him here. Hunters got a fresh start with a new coach and knows that hes got alot to prove. But to say that this management cant make hard decisions is stupid. Because you will never know what goes on behind the scenes. You will never know if theres more to a story. Your just mad because the jets didnt do exactly what you wanted in the offseason.
"You can see it in a defense that boasts it's All-Pro and should be leader complaining about his contract so regularly"
You must be total old school. Revis was told this contract was TEMPORARY. The jets are suppose to on average pay him 6.75 million the last two years. Look thats on the management and the NFL is a business not fun and games bro. If you can get paid you get paid. You say somethings temporary its temporary. Dont blame Revis for this one.
"a ground and pound team with last year's two returning leading rushers being soft and uncommitted to the game" Thanks coach. I didnt know that they were soft and uncommitted. If you look at stats last year Shonn Greene played better than he did in 2010. He fumbled less. He still had over 1000 yards rushing on about 250 carries. Thats not that bad. The problem was Tomlinson, he was slow and couldnt be the back that he was in 2010. It should be the Mcknight show now. Two fresh young backs that should be able to build upon themselves. So i wouldnt go out and say these guys are uncommitted because Shonn greene from what we hear has lossed some weight. We will see this year but i wouldnt go ahead and start calling them soft.
"You can't lean on a defense that can't close out games. And this offense just isn't good"
The defense had a chance to close it in Denver.. yes but so did the offense. They failed as the defense played great that whole game. Dallas... Defense won that game. Ravens Defense played great as offense played terrible. Anyways you cant really blame the defense for a a terrible offense. And that was last year! This year the team has new coaches, more talent, faster, and young. We dont know what this year will bring.
All in all dude i dont know what to call your statement. I definetly wouldnt call you a fan of the jets and if i did, i would say you have some grudge against them. Im not about to bust your football IQ because i dont know. But if you want to talk about x's and o's we can. You seem to fail to see the fact that this team is young and faster. There is no more pressure to win the superbowl anymore. The team only has to improve on an 8-8 season. The dead weight in Tomlinson and Burress has been removed. No more trying to get the veteran a superbowl ring. No more complaining about Schotty. Our team is better than its ever been since Rex Ryan has taken it, and its YOUNGER. Rex can finally build this team up to do what he expects.
Lets not forget the jets made it to the AFC Championship in 2009, 2010. Then in 2011 we go 8-8 with a late season debacle and your ready to say we are going even worse than 7-9?? lol real jets fan you are buddy. Show some damn confidence. I have Miami fans up down my neck in other forums saying there team has a chance to make the playoffs. Wtf i dont think they stand a chance but hey atleast they show confidence. _________________
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Rickjets2007
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | rickyt31 wrote: | | On paper we are a 13 win team. But it depends on how we do health wise and if everyone stay on pace. If our Running backs show up, and Sanchez do what I believe he can do, then we will have a great year. Our defense is good now that we added speed. |
| skrILL wrote: | If our offense shows up we can go 13-3 and win the top seed in the AFC.
If not we can go anywhere from 11-5 with a wild card or 5-11 with a top 5 pick, which would then be used on a new quarterback. |
I don't see any of this though. We're a 13-win team on paper? If our offense shows up? What indication do we have that our offense will be in any way improved?
Here's the positives to the off-season
- Sparano as offensive coordinator. Early indications say this is a much simpler offense, which in theory could prove for a better offense.
- Stephen Hill: Provides an immediate deep threat.
- Shonn Greene: I think Greene is better than what he showed last season. Yes, he's an average back that's one-dimensional, but I believe he's also a volume performer. Give him the rock a good amount and he'll become really productive for you in the 3rd or 4th quarter. With Sparano I expect him to improve upon last years numbers.
The negatives?
- Same OL: And same major questions. Will Wayne Hunter improve? Is Brandon Moore over the hill? Can D-Brick bounce back? Can we consistently run block and pass block? Save for Hunter I think the pass blocking was fine last year [well, except that whole Mangold injury era, but I like to believe that never happened.] We've brought in some guys to compete at RT, but can we count on any of these guys to start? Are they just camp bodies? Are their signings an indication of the lack of trust the FO has in Hunter and Ducasse?
- Tim Tebow Just because Rex Ryan can't gameplan for the wildcat, doesn't mean other defensive coaches can't. Denver's offense wasn't explosive last year. The wildcat hasn't been consistently effective in years. The Tebow signing could work out for the running game. It could also completely backfire. I'm voting on the latter. If Westhoff and co. get creative on S/T & we use him effectively at TE I'll love this signing. Even let him throw it a bit for good measure. All of these options aren't guaranteed nearly as much as him running the ball though & that to me seems to be where he's the least valuable.
- Proven weapons: Our only proven weapons on offense coming into the offseason were Holmes and Keller. We've added some guys (Hill, Tebow) but it'd be unfair to expect Stephen Hill to be Torrey Smith in his rookie year. I've already said for what we expect of Tebow, I don't expect much. We have a lot of offseason pickups with 'potential' but that's about it. Let's also not forget that the culmination of our best weapons leaves us incredibly one-dimensional. Keller can catch, but can't block. Greene can run, but can't catch. All of our home run hitters & multi-dimensional athletes (McKnight, Hill) are unproven or nonexistent.
- New offense: There will be a learning curve. It'll probably show within the first few games of the season. All things considered (our most difficult games are in the first five games, learning curve of new offense, pressure on Mark) I think a lot of this could lead to Mark's benching. That of course is the pessimist in me speaking. I think everyone here knows that if Tebow starts instead of Mark our season is probably over.
I'm not trying to be epic pessimist here, I just long to see where we've improved on offense. We have the potential to be a better offense, sure. There was no substantial move that immediately makes us better. I'm not saying this is what I'm expecting year in & year out. Some of the best teams improve through good drafting [something we've lacked since the Ryan era btw!] and a lack of major moves. What I am saying is, how can anyone say we'll be that much better than we were last year based on blind faith? There's no proof of it. I mean, everyone's on Sparano's jock (myself included) because anyone is better than Schotty, but how convinced are we that he won't be super inconsistent at times like most offensive coordinators are? He called plays in Dallas while focusing on one half of the offensive production? Eh. Color me unimpressed. |
Are you in anyway related to Debbie Downer or Negative Nancy?
Ok, now I will be serious. You make a lot of fine points. I agree with something but just not to the same degree as you do.
I will start by saying the magic word Injuries. If we can manage to stay fairly healthy and avoid serious injuries to some of our top guys, this is how the season will turn out:
We will go 11-5 and clinch a Wildcard berth.
Coming off a tough year and rough schedule, historically we usually bounce back the following year. That would be this year.
I believe the Tim Tebow experience will fuel Mark Sanchez into making and taking the big first step to becoming a quality NFL quarterback. Sanchez will play with more intensity. He will play like his career depended on it (which it does). On believe Sanchez does indeed have the it factor. He is a exceptional athlete that might of needed a little bit of a spark lit under his [inappropriate/removed] to really up his game. We all know that Tebow is not a true QB. He is a heck of a gamer, there is no arguing that. But, he is a running back that can throw the ball with 46% accuracy.
Getting Tebow reminds me of a scene in Money Ball. I see Mike Tannenbaum and the Jets bringing in Tebow for a year to truly showcase his talents all over the field. He will enhance our Seminole...I mean Wildcat attacking offense. Tannenbaum got Tebow for a 4th rounder. After this season, I bet we get at least a 3rd or better for him.
The team will go only as far as Sanchez and the OFFENSIVE Line takes us. I believe Sanchez is truly poised to have a good year. I look to him cutting down on his turnovers drastically. Our O-Line was pretty bad last year. But I want to say a series of events led to our shaky line play. We had the retirement of Damien Woody. We had the strike shortened offseason . we lacked line cohesiveness and chemistry which starts in the offseason. Our best linemen Nick Mangold missed a bunch of games early in the season. Our schedule had us going up against a ton of the top pass rushers in the league. When you add all this togethor, you get poor line play.
Sporano preaches QB protection. When necessary, he will help our linemen out with either the TE or RB.
We have a stable of young , but mostly unproven running backs. If Shonn Greene comes in , in great shape, he can have a monster year. If he does not come in , in great shape, he could be cut after this year. He has to come in with a sense of urgency. The whole offense needs to play with a sense of urgency.
I think we have an adequate receiving core. It definitely has the potential to be a really good core. But again, that all depends on our O-line and Sanchez.
I am not worried about our defense. In fact our defense will be a top 3 defense this year. We have added speed at all levels of the defense through the draft.
We will win the games we are supposed to win except for a few nailbiters. We will squeeze out some big wins on the road , Steelers game comes to mind. We will have more ups then downs and we will win 11 games. _________________
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Harris Smith
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| Colt45fool wrote: | | Harris Smith wrote: | | I think a lot of the pessimism you hear lately has to do with Tim Tebow now being on the team. It's sort of like when your Presidential candidate doesn't win the election, or an opposing political party takes control of Congress, and suddenly everything is wrong, and going to hell in a handbasket. Some people really just don't like Tebow and what he represents, and it influences their opinion of the team. I've seen it in my own circle. | I think this team is an 8-win team with or without Tebow. We won 8 games last year with issues in safety coverage, pass rush, offensive playcalling OL, running game & stretching the field. Three of those six (pass rush, stretching the field, offensive playcalling) have been improved with "potential," [which I will reiterate, is NOT a bad thing.] I'm sorry if I fail to see the logistics in calling us an improved team.
Does anyone think that if we win 8 games, Mark is out at QB? How well is he going to have to play, regardless of record, for the team to continue with him as the starter? I do think he'll improve statistically this season, so long as the pass-run ratio isn't overly skewed like Rex makes it out to be. |
I wasn't accusing you specifically of letting the Tebow trade influence your OP, I was more directing those comments towards what JFaulk said about there generally being an unusual amount of negativity towards the upcoming season by both Jet and non-Jet fans.
I'm really not sure what would have made some fans happy with this offseason. Did they want to fire Rex Ryan and start over for having an 8-8 season in a lockout year? Did they expect the Jets to trade four future first rounders to St. Louis for RG III?
I think there's plenty of reason to be optimistic about a bounce back year. The new Offensive scheme seems to be a better fit for the personnel the Jets have, and the conditions in our stadium. The Jets have added Karl Dunbar as their DL coach, and drafted players this year that will allow them to play more 4 man fronts, and rush the passer with D Linemen. The linebackers will be smaller and faster, and they'll play more of a role in covering the middle of the field. Mark Sanchez will be pushed to be a little more mature as a player and a person by Tebow, who can also provide some of the Brad Smith type packages the Jets missed last year.
Remember something else- most fans of the Giants were very down on them last year for loosing Smith and Boss, and really not being active at all in FA. Some of their fans were saying 8-8, too. There's really no way to know in June. _________________
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