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SUG
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| Mercury22 wrote: | I would not let Jake Long walk.
If I were king of the forest, I would let him play this year, see how he does, attempt to resign him to a contract based largely on the year he has in 2012 and if he takes it great, if not franchise him.
Letting our best players go is idiotic....oh wait, we've already done that by letting Brandon Marshall go. Oops, idiot alert!!
Actually, I don't think even Jeff Ireland is dumb enough to not see the rare talent Jake Long is. I think he stays put in Miami one way or the other. |
Look let me just clarify my position.
I'd love to get JL back but I am not necessarilly willing to wait till the 11th hr, fail at an 80 Million dollar
deal & watch him walk.
That is outta the question.
And if getting his deal done would have been that easy then we'd be hearing a different tune.
All I am hearing is FRANCHISE & that means the worst case scenario in my opinion.
I'd rather have TWO second rnd pks than to rent him for a yr & then watch him leave for NO compensation.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO THE SUPER BOWL so we might as well position ourselves for the next 4 yrs.
We'v been down this rd too many times for me to know better.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mercury22 wrote: | I would not let Jake Long walk.
If I were king of the forest, I would let him play this year, see how he does, attempt to resign him to a contract based largely on the year he has in 2012 and if he takes it great, if not franchise him.
Letting our best players go is idiotic....oh wait, we've already done that by letting Brandon Marshall go. Oops, idiot alert!!
Actually, I don't think even Jeff Ireland is dumb enough to not see the rare talent Jake Long is. I think he stays put in Miami one way or the other. |
It will be interesting to see how well Buffalo does with a rookie 2nd round pick starting at LT. I just don't think in today's NFL one of "the teams best players" or highest paid players should be an offensive lineman.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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Long is actually better then Marshall. Hes building a hall of fame career, it would be beyond asinine to let a guy that talented leave barring off-the-field issues or injury.
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SUG
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Mercury22 wrote: | I would not let Jake Long walk.
If I were king of the forest, I would let him play this year, see how he does, attempt to resign him to a contract based largely on the year he has in 2012 and if he takes it great, if not franchise him.
Letting our best players go is idiotic....oh wait, we've already done that by letting Brandon Marshall go. Oops, idiot alert!!
Actually, I don't think even Jeff Ireland is dumb enough to not see the rare talent Jake Long is. I think he stays put in Miami one way or the other. |
If you tag a player with the franchise label you simply paint yourself into a corner whereas the player can
name his price or simply walk & you get NOTHING in return.
So in escence you've screwed yourself & the team ... twice.
JL will demand 82 Million since that's what J. Thomas received.
So if you aren't willing to pay him for that then fine .... there really is but 1 option.
Franchising a player really means that you can't reach a monetary agreement & you have no
alternative options for your team as far as I'm concerned.
Look I don't make the rules here but I'm damned straight about putting my team in the next
best situation over the long haul before franchising a player, that's a "hung jurry" & guilty or innocent people walk.
Why play Russian Roullette here with a loaded Gun ...???
sug
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| SUG wrote: | | Mercury22 wrote: | I would not let Jake Long walk.
If I were king of the forest, I would let him play this year, see how he does, attempt to resign him to a contract based largely on the year he has in 2012 and if he takes it great, if not franchise him.
Letting our best players go is idiotic....oh wait, we've already done that by letting Brandon Marshall go. Oops, idiot alert!!
Actually, I don't think even Jeff Ireland is dumb enough to not see the rare talent Jake Long is. I think he stays put in Miami one way or the other. |
If you tag a player with the franchise label you simply paint yourself into a corner whereas the player can
name his price or simply walk & you get NOTHING in return.
So in escence you've screwed yourself & the team ... twice.
JL will demand 82 Million since that's what J. Thomas received.
So if you aren't willing to pay him for that then fine .... there really is but 1 option.
Franchising a player really means that you can't reach a monetary agreement & you have no
alternative options for your team as far as I'm concerned.
Look I don't make the rules here but I'm damned straight about putting my team in the next
best situation over the long haul before franchising a player, that's a "hung jurry" & guilty or innocent people walk.
Why play Russian Roullette here with a loaded Gun ...???
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Its only a loaded gun if you make it one ... Give the man his money and all is well. If you can't reach a deal then franchise him and get a deal during the year. There is no way JLong should be anything other than a Dolphin for the next 5-7 years.
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| SUG wrote: | | Miami2DaMax wrote: | Long is the only player that's getting a lot of money on the team and you want to get rid of him? LMFAO. Way to many ignorant so called Miami fans here.
Herp-uh-derp lets get rid of out best player for a shot in the dark!
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Forgive my ignorance but, Options ...?
1). Franchise him for 10+ Million & watch him walk afterwards.
2). Does not yield any financial relief nor talent via the draft the next 4 yrs.
3). Pay him 84 Million+ over 7 yrs cause thats what J. Thomas got in Cle.???
Hey, who the Hell needs a GM to mind the finances or the future of the team when you have
J. Long .... Aww man my bad M2M !
We can just cut 2 other starters currently on the roster & go in the hole financially in a
market that favors draft pks.
We should just keep doing what we've been doing, trashing the Cap !
It's been right under my nose the past 5 yrs, Wow .... why didn't I think of that !?!?
Blasted 
You are so smart M2M, forgive me 
Look, if you cant get him to the table at 55- 60 Mill for 5 - 6 yrs ... you are being man handled so
you might as well have a plan of contingency in place to get something in return via draft pks.
What you cannot be allowed to do is franchise him & then watch him walk for nothing !!!
Unacceptable !!!
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That sums up the entire situation IMO. Keeping Jake Long for 1 more year if he just doesn't want to be here and overpaying him is just delaying the rebuilding process.....barring injury we have him for the upcoming season so next draft we should see another early OT selection, and unfortunately unless we can move Jake right now we aren't going to get much for him ( which drives the price way down since he'll be playing for only 1 year probably with whoever he went to ).......we'd be extremely lucky to get a single 2013 2nd rounder for him as things stand right now, but I'd take it in a heartbeat. |
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Honestly I don't think there are many players worth $15 million a year that don't play QB. While I agree JL is a great player, he is still a tackle. If they can't get a deal done this season to extend him at a more reasonable salary then say good bye. I would like to keep him but not at that price.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| Dolphin Dave wrote: | | Honestly I don't think there are many players worth $15 million a year that don't play QB. While I agree JL is a great player, he is still a tackle. If they can't get a deal done this season to extend him at a more reasonable salary then say good bye. I would like to keep him but not at that price. |
I agree and who's to say Jake wants to stay? He doesn't strike as a South Florida kind of guy. I'm wondering if Jake and his agent are sticking to a higher deal than Thomas to get out of Miami.
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| hammer wrote: | | Dolphin Dave wrote: | | Honestly I don't think there are many players worth $15 million a year that don't play QB. While I agree JL is a great player, he is still a tackle. If they can't get a deal done this season to extend him at a more reasonable salary then say good bye. I would like to keep him but not at that price. |
I agree and who's to say Jake wants to stay? He doesn't strike as a South Florida kind of guy. I'm wondering if Jake and his agent are sticking to a higher deal than Thomas to get out of Miami. |
Jake is a team captain and a loyal player. Hes a future HOF guy. PLEASE tell me an alternative at LT ?
I hear this let him walk talk but no actual replacement plan... LTs dont fall off trees. And that's exactly what Tannehill needs to be faced with while developing, a Rookie / unproven LT guarding his back side ...
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This isn't even news. Some guy had nothing better to write about. Seriously, of course we will consider using the franchise tag on the guy! If we didn't then we would be complete idiots. If nothing else just to buy us the time to trade him. Even with a franchise tag Long has plenty of trade value. I can also see why Miami isn't going to make him the highest paid LT in the NFL. He had some injuries pile up last year and with our system he is a little easier to replace than some other guys if we have to franchise and trade him or lose him after a couple of seasons. That doesn't provide a lot of incentive on Miami's part to get a blockbuster deal done with the guy.
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | hammer wrote: | | Dolphin Dave wrote: | | Honestly I don't think there are many players worth $15 million a year that don't play QB. While I agree JL is a great player, he is still a tackle. If they can't get a deal done this season to extend him at a more reasonable salary then say good bye. I would like to keep him but not at that price. |
I agree and who's to say Jake wants to stay? He doesn't strike as a South Florida kind of guy. I'm wondering if Jake and his agent are sticking to a higher deal than Thomas to get out of Miami. |
Jake is a team captain and a loyal player. Hes a future HOF guy. PLEASE tell me an alternative at LT ?
I hear this let him walk talk but no actual replacement plan... LTs dont fall off trees. And that's exactly what Tannehill needs to be faced with while developing, a Rookie / unproven LT guarding his back side ... |
Team Captain & future HOF .... Canton is littered with guys like that with no SB Ring whats your point ?
No actual replacement plan / alternatives ... ???
1). I've said all along I have no problem accepting Two 2nd rnd pks & drafting a LOT with the
1st rnd pk & maybe trying Martin out over there.
2). I've said all along we need to start now to find an alternative at LOT NOW if we have no intentions of
paying him 82 Mill
THAT SIMPLE, but for the love of God don't Franchise him & go into 2014 with out an alternative at LOT if JL WALKS !
That's waiving the "white flag of surrender" after shooting yourself in the foot.
You see it coming, you know there's a 50/50 chance of it happening, cover your arse !
sug
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Honestly, we have not been the type of team in a position the last few years to even consider using the Franchise Tag. We did last year on Paul Soliai and it gave JI a little extra time to work out a long term deal with him. That is how I view the Franchise Tag, not something to force a player to stay with the team, but something to prolong the amount of time you have to actually come to a long term deal. I think that is how JI will view it and if we can keep JL than he will do everything possible I would imagine.
Jake Long is one of the best LT's in the league so why not pay him the money. Maybe we can't afford it right now but we will have quite a bit of dead money opening up within the next year or so and JL is worth the contract.
Sporano and Parcells were completely right: You build from the trenches out. They just didn't do it right IMO except for JL, Ireland helped that by adding Pouncey.
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| Quote: | | Team Captain & future HOF .... Canton is littered with guys like that with no SB Ring whats your point ? |
Dan Marino is one of them, you dont trade HOF players for 2nd round draft picks and ZERO replacement.
| Quote: | No actual replacement plan / alternatives ... ???
1). I've said all along I have no problem accepting Two 2nd rnd pks & drafting a LOT with the
1st rnd pk & maybe trying Martin out over there.
2). I've said all along we need to start now to find an alternative at LOT NOW if we have no intentions of
paying him 82 Mill
THAT SIMPLE, but for the love of God don't Franchise him & go into 2014 with out an alternative at LOT if JL WALKS !
That's waiving the "white flag of surrender" after shooting yourself in the foot.
You see it coming, you know there's a 50/50 chance of it happening, cover your arse !
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This plan is flat out not acceptable in any way shape or form. We have ONE position of strength on this team, and instead of building upon that, lets take that one strength and tear it down as well.
You are speaking out of line when you say 50/50 shot and you know it. There is nothing factual about that statement at all.
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| FOOTBALLFAN08 wrote: | | hammer wrote: | | Dolphin Dave wrote: | | Honestly I don't think there are many players worth $15 million a year that don't play QB. While I agree JL is a great player, he is still a tackle. If they can't get a deal done this season to extend him at a more reasonable salary then say good bye. I would like to keep him but not at that price. |
I agree and who's to say Jake wants to stay? He doesn't strike as a South Florida kind of guy. I'm wondering if Jake and his agent are sticking to a higher deal than Thomas to get out of Miami. |
Jake is a team captain and a loyal player. Hes a future HOF guy. PLEASE tell me an alternative at LT ?
I hear this let him walk talk but no actual replacement plan... LTs dont fall off trees. And that's exactly what Tannehill needs to be faced with while developing, a Rookie / unproven LT guarding his back side ... |
Like I said in an earlier post, let's see how Cordy Glenn does in Buffalo. I'm guessing he'll make 1/10th of what Jake Long will this season and I think Glenn will do just fine and he was a second round pick.
Loyal player my arse. There is no such thing. This is all business.
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The goal should not be to acquire a team of average talent or even "acceptable" talent at "fair" prices. The goal is to create mismatches, and then to exploit those mismatches. That is how the best teams win Miami has had a roster or "average" or "pedestrian" talent for a long time. Long is exceptional. Marshall was exceptional. Letting exceptional talent depart ONLY makes sense to me when your team is so flush with talent that you simply can't hold on to all of your exceptional players.
Long is a cornerstone. It sounds to me that Jeff Ireland knows that, and is, for the time being, taking the proper approach with Long. I have little faith in Ireland, but even Ireland knows that Hall of Fame level offensive linemen are something you want to hold on to if possible. Trading him away for 1 or 2 more prospects that may not even be pro quality is just really, really dumb and nothing more than a last ditch option if he simply can't be retained. We are no where near that point.
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