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| Duffman57 wrote: | | Anyone following the MLB draft? Anyone who follows the Pads and the draft, know if the Padres did well (i've heard they did)? |
Good, not great. Now don't get me wrong, I don't know sabremetrics or the formulas for projection success in baseball as well as I do for football and hockey, but there were just a few things that tweaked me the wrong way about the Pads' draft.
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1st Round: I get the premium on lefties with multiple MLB caliber pitches in their repertoire who can get solid speed on their stuff. And Max Fried looks like the kind of guy that the Pads' organization has liked in the past in terms of guys with solid fundamentals and command who can be groomed into quality 2nd or 3rd starters (I refuse to project any prospect as a potential ace this early unless we're talking someone of Strasburg's caliber). I just think that when you're a team in such dire need of offense like San Diego is then if you're not going to spend your premium selection on an offensive contributor you take the guy with the best combination of ceiling who still will be able to contribute soon - so that it frees up one of your current starters as a trade piece sooner. Appel was a gift horse that they looked in the mouth and passed on because he's a righty and not a lefty. I know they're banking on Kelly and Castro to be those big righties to come up and be the next big pitchers from the farm, but both have value in trade and Appel isn't far away after those three years at Stanford from being right about where Castro is in terms of command now. Castro is closer to being pro-ready right now which would make him an easier trade chip and honestly I feel like Appel has higher ceiling (in that Castro is a solid 3 with good potential to become a 2, whereas I see Appel with the good seasoning as a solid bet to be a quality 2). I might have otherwise actually given a strong consideration to Addison Russell too, but that's just because I think the kid's got quality potential as a 3B, which is becoming a more and more difficult position to obtain quality at.
Zach Eflin was a good pick and good value, assuming you factor in his somewhat late rise in the rankings. I might have preferred Stephen Piscotty, particularly given that Bud Black is your manager - and you have to assume he'll be there by the time any prospect hits the majors when you're drafting - just because the guy is a contact-hound with potential to develop more power as he fills out a bit more.
Jankowski... I mean, I get why they drafted him, I just didn't see the need to do it as high as they did given who else they already have in the farm.
Walker Weikel is rawer than I think a lot of people are giving him credit for. I love the potential, but I for one really thought he'd have benefited more from being able to go to ASU for at least a couple years to refine his delivery (which is limiting his ability to get velocity on some of his other pitches) and carriage.
I love Dane Phillips as a pure hitting prospect, they just need to find a position for him as I'm not sure he's destined to play catcher at the pro level. 1B may be more in the cards, which does present a question of what to do with Anthony Rizzo in the farm system.
Baltz I want to like. Good bat, but there are concerns about his arm. When a guy is almost exclusively LF limited, it's a red flag to me about taking him "early". I like Baltz... I would have liked him better a round or two later which probably wasn't likely due to his bat. I just worry that he may be one of those guys who even when he gets promoted has trouble holding off other guys in training who get hot at the right time because they'll offer more on defense (which will rate highly to a manager like Black).
Pedro Fernandez was good value, particularly for a lefty 3B with pretty decent power and room to improve. I just have trouble looking at this pick with the other superior 3B/IF prospects passed on earlier.
Lockett I know nothing about other than that he's a physical specimen and likely raw as all get out. Same with Mallex Smith, though just going off what I can Google of him he looks like purely a utility player.
He need some time and a bit of luck, but I think Brian Adams could turn into a mild steal down the road, though more in a Cody Ross type in term of if he reaches his ceiling.
River Stevens is a local prospect that I think a lot of folks will be pulling to see succeed and make it to the show, but he just looks so blasted diminutive to me and there are better guys with the offerings he brings already in the Pads farm system.
Overall the Pads did well, but they also had a ton of picks so I think I might have opted to be a bit more prime to just take the value that presented itself early on, given they had the pick luxury to scatter-shot at positions of need to ensure getting someone who would be a productive contributor there.
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LBC do you live under a rock or something???? 
Castro was traded in the deal that brought Carlos Quentin to SD.
Rizzo was one of the biggest trades of the offseason after Alonso was brought in. He's off to the cubs now...lol
Where have you been? lol
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| Duffman57 wrote: | LBC do you live under a rock or something????
Castro was traded in the deal that brought Carlos Quentin to SD.
Rizzo was one of the biggest trades of the offseason after Alonso was brought in. He's off to the cubs now...lol
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I don't follow the Pads all that closely in terms of trades. With Castro out of the farm I definitely wouldn't have passed on Appel when he fell.
The Rizzo trade, now that I get a chance to look at it, you guys got ripped on. I'm not saying that swapping Rizzo for Alonso as the future at one of the infield corners (though I do think that given another spring to develop Rizzo was lining up for a Mike Trout - who followed a similar ho-hum first call-up last summer - like breakout). Either way you don't trade a guy with that kind of big time middle-of-the-order pop potential for a young, but likely career reliever (whose not an established closer) and a throw-in. Yes, Cashner can draw back and yield 100+ fire, but he's lacking in control in a lot of ways - both actual control in terms of placing his pitches and control in terms of restraint (you really don't think his history of shoulder injuries isn't coming from his refusal to let off the throttle on his pitches... because it's not like we haven't seen a litany of fireballers go that same path in the past).
With Rizzo out of the farm it does clear some room for a guy like Dane Phillips, though it does seem like he's probably blocked long-term by Alonso and I just have trouble seeing him project to the pro's as a catcher (maybe he can play 3rd, but ideally I'd be wanting to put my eggs in Fernandez's basket because having a lefty with some pop at 3rd is a boon particularly for a team under Black who appears to be content to play a more defensive-oriented game).
I don't suppose Tate, Durango, or Forsythe were traded away while I wasn't watching either (I won't even bring up Reymond Fuentes because he shouldn't have been touch-able except in a really sweet deal)? Because that would lend at least some credence to taking Jankowski as high as they did. Yes, he looks like he could be Forsythe with Durango's speed, but Forsythe wasn't exactly lacking in that dept (does he blaze? no, but he's an effective runner with great plate discipline that should/will yield a quality OBP). Thing is, Jankowski doesn't have Forsythe's discipline yet and may never, so he's going to be far more dependent on consistently making contact in order to even put his best asset to use. And I'm talking quality contact here, because that's what's going to determine whether you end up with a Dexter Fowler, a Peter Bourjos, or a Rajai Davis. I like that he can switch hit which is something I don't think Donavan Tate offers, so I suppose this could be more of a pick that's an indictment of what the FO thinks of Tate's "drug of abuse" suspension.
Thing is, I thought I remembered reading where Fuentes switch-hits as well and he was the guy I had always pegged as the future leadoff guy for the Pads. And with Cumberland's recent premature retirement and Everth Cabrera still not showing the kind of plate discipline to establish himself as the future at SS... (again, I'm just now getting caught up on the comings and goings of the Pads over the past 3-4 months) I think that Weickel pick might have been better placed with someone like Florida's Nolan Fontana whose not going to wow anyone, but his floor is already pretty high and at worst the guy's an Izturis clone (pick an Izturis, any Izturis) and if breaks go his way could even venture into Allen Craig territory. He's a 3 IF position utility guy at worst whose not going to be a liability at any of them, and those tend to be the kind of guys championship teams always seem to have in their arsenal.
Edit: But yes, to answer your question, I was under a rock (baseball wise) until Pujols finally found his bat.
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We also have the Mike Adams trade to look t which brought us 2 guys who could be Website or #3 pitchers in Erlin and Weilnd (I think those are the 2 pitchers we got for Adms). Then you have to remember Joe Ross who I think is going to bean absolute stud, with #1. Potential, or at least high end #2. We also have Kevarious Sampson (sp?) Who is a solid pitcher as well. And don't forget about Casey Kelley
We already have our future (or at least we are very high on them) at C in Grandal, 1B in Alonso, SS in Jace Peterson (who's been a beast) and 2B with Spangenbergh and obviously Cam Maybin in CF. All of whom should be in the majors any time from now (Alonso/Grandal/Maybin) to a year or 2 from now.
I agree with the Rizzo trade assessment, especially when the talk was to the Cubs for Garza. But we didn't like Rizzo much for whatever reason, I think that we didn't think that his bat would play in petco.
Iguess there was a BIG problem with signability with Appel (turned down 6 mil from the Astros reportedly)and we don't need anyone pro ready, since we wont be contenderstill at least 2014 imo so might as well take the guy with the higher ceiling.
Your still living under a rock if yoir questioning if Forsythe is out of the farm. Go ahead and check the SC top 10 for that one  lol. He was also moved to 2nd base, where he's been hitting well.
But other than that we haven't traded anyone.
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | Your still living under a rock if yoir questioning if Forsythe is out of the farm. Go ahead and check the SC top 10 for that one lol. He was also moved to 2nd base, where he's been hitting well. |
It's "you're" (sorry... English teacher in me... ). And I don't think I said Forsythe was still on the farm just that he was still effectively in that group of what I'd consider prospects (typically safe to keep guys there until they can manage to stay called up for a full season or close to it... he's well on his way).
As to living under a rock. Bro... it's... the... Pads! 
I will give this small bit of advice though, if being a Charger fan hasn't taught you to temper your expectations that every (or most) promising prospects are going to turn into studs or long-term solutions at their positions, versus role/bench players, baseball is where you really need to hone that. Cuz this is coming from a guy who defended the likes of Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Casey Kotchman, and Joe Saunders to no end... sometimes it's just better to capitalize on your prospect's high-hype/regard and get something tangible now versus watching potential fail to materialize. The "if only's" in terms of trades that fell apart because a "Brandon Wood" or "Dallas McPherson" wouldn't be included will keep you up nights.
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| The LBC wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | Your still living under a rock if yoir questioning if Forsythe is out of the farm. Go ahead and check the SC top 10 for that one lol. He was also moved to 2nd base, where he's been hitting well. |
It's "you're" (sorry... English teacher in me... ). And I don't think I said Forsythe was still on the farm just that he was still effectively in that group of what I'd consider prospects (typically safe to keep guys there until they can manage to stay called up for a full season or close to it... he's well on his way).
As to living under a rock. Bro... it's... the... Pads!
I will give this small bit of advice though, if being a Charger fan hasn't taught you to temper your expectations that every (or most) promising prospects are going to turn into studs or long-term solutions at their positions, versus role/bench players, baseball is where you really need to hone that. Cuz this is coming from a guy who defended the likes of Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Casey Kotchman, and Joe Saunders to no end... sometimes it's just better to capitalize on your prospect's high-hype/regard and get something tangible now versus watching potential fail to materialize. The "if only's" in terms of trades that fell apart because a "Brandon Wood" or "Dallas McPherson" wouldn't be included will keep you up nights. |
As for the grammar correction....you're just the worst kind of person....lol. I should just start sending my papers for you to look over for each one of these grammar corrections i see you do haha.
But Yeah, I dont really follow baseball that often at all, especially since my team is trash. Angles are my second team so i'm happy with how they're doing, but still, following baseball is just way too much work for me...lol.
I know the whole thing about prospects and not to get you're hopes up on guys obviously. But so far its looked good for the Padres, and we have a TON of pitching depth which will help us.
But yah, its the padres, i dont really expect anyone to know anything about them. I just thought it was funny that the night you said something about him, he had hit a walkoff HR as his first MLB HR...lol
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| Duffman57 wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | Your still living under a rock if yoir questioning if Forsythe is out of the farm. Go ahead and check the SC top 10 for that one lol. He was also moved to 2nd base, where he's been hitting well. |
It's "you're" (sorry... English teacher in me... ). And I don't think I said Forsythe was still on the farm just that he was still effectively in that group of what I'd consider prospects (typically safe to keep guys there until they can manage to stay called up for a full season or close to it... he's well on his way).
As to living under a rock. Bro... it's... the... Pads!
I will give this small bit of advice though, if being a Charger fan hasn't taught you to temper your expectations that every (or most) promising prospects are going to turn into studs or long-term solutions at their positions, versus role/bench players, baseball is where you really need to hone that. Cuz this is coming from a guy who defended the likes of Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Casey Kotchman, and Joe Saunders to no end... sometimes it's just better to capitalize on your prospect's high-hype/regard and get something tangible now versus watching potential fail to materialize. The "if only's" in terms of trades that fell apart because a "Brandon Wood" or "Dallas McPherson" wouldn't be included will keep you up nights. |
As for the grammar correction....you're just the worst kind of person....lol. I should just start sending my papers for you to look over for each one of these grammar corrections i see you do haha.
But Yeah, I dont really follow baseball that often at all, especially since my team is trash. Angles are my second team so i'm happy with how they're doing, but still, following baseball is just way too much work for me...lol.
I know the whole thing about prospects and not to get you're hopes up on guys obviously. But so far its looked good for the Padres, and we have a TON of pitching depth which will help us.
But yah, its the padres, i dont really expect anyone to know anything about them. I just thought it was funny that the night you said something about him, he had hit a walkoff HR as his first MLB HR...lol |
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Hey guys, i'm putting together an NFL Highlight Database in NFL general for the 2011-12 season and your team doesn't have any entries yet. I want to get every team involved so we can begin competition for best highlights and "Play of the Year" sometime in the next Month or so.
All you have to do is think of a play or two from last year that you loved, post a link to it(preferably youtube), and i'll "upload" it into the database with an explanation and give you credit for the entry.
We already have almost 100 videos posted and just need a few more. This is a good way to put your team on the map, and let a few of your lesser known players and moments from last year shine. I think something like this would be great for the forum as a whole as it has an effect on everybody, plus who doesn't like watching highlight plays right?
Here's a link if your interested
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=492455
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and good luck this season (i mean it).
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | The LBC wrote: | | Duffman57 wrote: | | Your still living under a rock if yoir questioning if Forsythe is out of the farm. Go ahead and check the SC top 10 for that one lol. He was also moved to 2nd base, where he's been hitting well. |
It's "you're" (sorry... English teacher in me... ). And I don't think I said Forsythe was still on the farm just that he was still effectively in that group of what I'd consider prospects (typically safe to keep guys there until they can manage to stay called up for a full season or close to it... he's well on his way).
As to living under a rock. Bro... it's... the... Pads!
I will give this small bit of advice though, if being a Charger fan hasn't taught you to temper your expectations that every (or most) promising prospects are going to turn into studs or long-term solutions at their positions, versus role/bench players, baseball is where you really need to hone that. Cuz this is coming from a guy who defended the likes of Dallas McPherson, Brandon Wood, Casey Kotchman, and Joe Saunders to no end... sometimes it's just better to capitalize on your prospect's high-hype/regard and get something tangible now versus watching potential fail to materialize. The "if only's" in terms of trades that fell apart because a "Brandon Wood" or "Dallas McPherson" wouldn't be included will keep you up nights. |
As for the grammar correction....you're just the worst kind of person....lol. I should just start sending my papers for you to look over for each one of these grammar corrections i see you do haha.
But Yeah, I dont really follow baseball that often at all, especially since my team is trash. Angles are my second team so i'm happy with how they're doing, but still, following baseball is just way too much work for me...lol.
I know the whole thing about prospects and not to get you're hopes up on guys obviously. But so far its looked good for the Padres, and we have a TON of pitching depth which will help us.
But yah, its the padres, i dont really expect anyone to know anything about them. I just thought it was funny that the night you said something about him, he had hit a walkoff HR as his first MLB HR...lol |
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I already hate LBC enough for doing it, but at lest he's a English teacher, he. Has nothing better in life to do.
But you.....You gotta respect your elders....lol
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Anyone here ride motorcycles?
I just picked up my first street bike last week and went for my first ride this afternoon. Spent my childhood on dirtbikes but went a good 10 years off of 2 wheels. Finally got the urge to find a decent bike and found this 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R Ninja. High miles and not a beauty queen but runs like a champ. Alittle more of a bike than I had originally wanted but at $1400 it was a hell of a deal imo. It came with an extra set of fairings, another swing arm, a stiffer shock/spring set (guy was 140lbs and said it was bouncy so he switched back to stock, should fit my 265 self good I think lol) and another +1 rear sprocket.
I just cant get the grin off my face now... I'm hooked on 2 wheels once again!
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| Zappaz wrote: | Anyone here ride motorcycles?
I just picked up my first street bike last week and went for my first ride this afternoon. Spent my childhood on dirtbikes but went a good 10 years off of 2 wheels. Finally got the urge to find a decent bike and found this 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R Ninja. High miles and not a beauty queen but runs like a champ. Alittle more of a bike than I had originally wanted but at $1400 it was a hell of a deal imo. It came with an extra set of fairings, another swing arm, a stiffer shock/spring set (guy was 140lbs and said it was bouncy so he switched back to stock, should fit my 265 self good I think lol) and another +1 rear sprocket.
I just cant get the grin off my face now... I'm hooked on 2 wheels once again! |
I've actually been on the precipice of the age old battle between husbands and wives. I want a bike (I've had my license for over a year and a half, just you know... that whole engagement ring thing had me set back for a while)... she wants a baby. She's probably going to win. I'm going to see if I can milk a motorcycle out of it for myself though (I'm a master bargainer!). Would definitely go cruiser over crotch-rocket personally though, but that's entirely personal preference and all I've ever ridden.
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Oh... and make use of my damn thread (the one that's stickied below this one)! 
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| The LBC wrote: | | Zappaz wrote: | Anyone here ride motorcycles?
I just picked up my first street bike last week and went for my first ride this afternoon. Spent my childhood on dirtbikes but went a good 10 years off of 2 wheels. Finally got the urge to find a decent bike and found this 1999 Kawasaki ZX6R Ninja. High miles and not a beauty queen but runs like a champ. Alittle more of a bike than I had originally wanted but at $1400 it was a hell of a deal imo. It came with an extra set of fairings, another swing arm, a stiffer shock/spring set (guy was 140lbs and said it was bouncy so he switched back to stock, should fit my 265 self good I think lol) and another +1 rear sprocket.
I just cant get the grin off my face now... I'm hooked on 2 wheels once again! |
I've actually been on the precipice of the age old battle between husbands and wives. I want a bike (I've had my license for over a year and a half, just you know... that whole engagement ring thing had me set back for a while)... she wants a baby. She's probably going to win. I'm going to see if I can milk a motorcycle out of it for myself though (I'm a master bargainer!). Would definitely go cruiser over crotch-rocket personally though, but that's entirely personal preference and all I've ever ridden. |
You're gonna get told that you have to wait until you're 40, like I did. She's ok with me having a mid-life.
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Cruiser/Crotch Rocket... I really didnt care tbh. My father and grand father were Harley guys plus my buddy just got a cruiser so I guess it would have been more natural going that route but as crazy as it sounds, I'm more comfortable on a rocket rather than laid back on a cruiser. Things might change in the future though.
In my nearly 8 years of marriage I've learned its ALOT easier to ask for forgiveness than permission!  One day I literally said "Okay, I'm buying a motorcycle", sold a Honda Civic hatchback I was going to work on and bought the Ninja. My wife really doesnt mind though, especially since she gets to drive my Mountaineer any time I'm on my bike.
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