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BooyaCS

Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:51 pm Post subject:

nugpimpen wrote:

BooyaCS wrote:

Drew_Carey wrote:

rather get a new owner for the indians than the browns...

Getting a new owner for the Indians will probably move the team somewhere where they draw better.

If they spend money, and keep good players, they will draw well.

See the 90's

People don't seem to have as much patience with the tribe as they do with the Browns. Browns suck... We still show. Tribe sucks.... No one goes.

It might have something to do with them trading good players rather than retaining them.

455 baby. 455

I think fans are tired of falling in love with players, and then having them traded away because Dolan can't "afford" them.

Perfect storm. 1994 was the strike year and they were decent but not nearly as good as they were in 1995. Also 1995 was the first year without the Browns so we had the Cavs and the Indians and that was it. So from 1995-1999 they drew insanely well.

From 2000 on they haven't.

Also the highest payroll that Jacobs had was 92M (1995 I think) and the highest payroll by the Dolans was 87 M. (2007).

The Dolans can afford the players the problem is when you have no cap and are competing with teams willing to spend 300M every year that is tough to compete with. It is like going to market with a product that is pretty good but you only have 1M to spend on Marketing and you are competing against IBM.
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NickZambo

Joined: 03 Mar 2009
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Location: Pittsburgh Browns Backin'

Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:12 pm Post subject:

candyman93 wrote:

NickZambo wrote:

Went to a wedding last weekend and Brady Quinn was there. Rumors are true and the Browns are for sale. Said they can never be a winner until Lerner sells. Lerner isnt a bad owner but he is too focused on soccer in Europe. Just need the right person to buy and be bought in, we need Gilbert's passion, not Dolan greed. Mark it dude.

This is like ACDCs restroom story

Don't have to believe me if u dont want to. I have a family member who graduated with BQ from Norte Dame and she married one of his best friends who is a professional golfer. He is a family friend and this is what he is hearing from the league. I'm not much of a make something up kinda person. But I don't have a link for my info so it's probly not credible by FF.com standards haha.
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dawgdish

Joined: 20 Jan 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:38 am Post subject:

bulldog wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

Lerner is pretty much a failure as an owner, so the aspect of him selling the Browns wouldn't bother me so much. The criteria for a new owner, in my book has to be:

A: A Cleveland based owner who would never consider the idea of moving the team

B: A non-meddlesome type (aka not Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder) who is willing to spend money on the team. We don't need an owner making another hire Mangini as football dictator type blunder.

I don't get peoples hate toward Lerner. He's dumped millions into this team. He's tried to find the right guy to run the team. And once he realized he couldn't do that, he turned to a guy that's been around 2 decades worth of winning teams.

And you realize, that by your criteria, lerner would be a qualified owner.

Lerner would be a qualified owner now by my criteria, but he only resorted to doing the right thing and getting a real front office structure after the colossal failure that preceded H&H, which set us back 2 years and was due solely to his bumbling ineptitude. If you look at our franchise's record during Randy Lerner's tenure, the facts speak for themselves.

By getting a real front office structure? You mean by hiring a football president? B/c we're only the second team to do that.

And if by ineptitude, you mean admitting he's messed up, then addressing it. Then doing what he can to fix it. He's admitted failure, then spent a ton of money trying to correct it. And he hasn't made the same mistake twice.

I'd say he's had bad luck more than anything.

Doesn't have to be a football president, but has to be someone who is thoroughly knowledgable and experienced in running a football team, since he's a very back burner kind of guy (which is fine). The Savage office structure seemed like the right move at the time, unfortunately didn't work out. I'll definitely give you that
What he did after that was total keystone cops, though, and I wonder if people still don't see how absurd it was. BTW, if he hasn't made the same mistake twice, how come he went right back to hiring a former Bellichick D-Coordinator and Ravens GM after he axed Savage & Romeo?
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bulldog

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:52 am Post subject:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

dawgdish

Joined: 20 Jan 2005
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Location: Brooklyn, NY

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.
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bruceb

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Location: Rocky River, OH

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!
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nugpimpen

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

Tough for a quick turn around when you had the oldest roster in the league and you have to remake the whole roster when you take a team over.

4-5 years from now, if we still suck and it didn't work, than ok.
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Dawgpoun8017

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:39 pm Post subject:

nugpimpen wrote:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

Yea atleast there is something to feel good bout the way this team is going. Unlike Mangini and his puppet h&h are putting good players on this team
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bruceb

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:52 pm Post subject:

nugpimpen wrote:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!
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ditchdigger

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:28 pm Post subject:

bruceb wrote:

nugpimpen wrote:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!

That analogy highlights your complete lack of understanding of the task they were charged with.

The good news is there's only 1-2 more years left.

nugpimpen

Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 12530
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:43 am Post subject:

ditchdigger wrote:

bruceb wrote:

nugpimpen wrote:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!

That analogy highlights your complete lack of understanding of the task they were charged with.

The good news is there's only 1-2 more years left.

Thank you.

When you have a roster of older players and need to get young talent in here, it's mainly through the draft.

You are not gonna draft a winning team in one year.

This was their 3rd draft for this team. So far, they have done fairly well in that department. Not to mention we switched defensive schemes .

Hoover Dam? lol
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Estonianzulu

Joined: 11 Jan 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:38 am Post subject:

bruceb wrote:

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!

Now if only we had more money than everyone else in the league and an inexhaustible supply of labor.
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roger murdock

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:55 am Post subject:

Estonianzulu wrote:

bruceb wrote:

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!

Now if only we had more money than everyone else in the league and an inexhaustible supply of labor.

They didn't have to spend a few years tearing down a really old and crappily built dam before starting a new one.
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dawgdish

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:46 am Post subject:

bruceb wrote:

nugpimpen wrote:

bruceb wrote:

dawgdish wrote:

bulldog wrote:

So then your only grip against Lerner is Mangini?

That's far and away the largest one. Our winning % under his stewardship would be next.

Yeah, how about that winning % under H&H!

You obviously are a lot younger than I. "4-5 years" my butt! It only took 3 years to build Hoover Dam for crying out loud!

If you're that old, you're obviously old enough to know the common football rebuilding adage "5 year plan". Yes, teams have gotten it turned around quicker than that these days, but H&H inherited possibly the worst situation imaginable, so in thier case 5 year plan is what they deserve. They inherited shell of a roster coming from Savage that Mangini gutted and actually managed to make WORSE, squandering high draft picks left and right in the process. Holmgren did make an initial misstep by keeping Mangini around an aditional year, which cost us on top of what we were already set back. This is the year H&H need to put up or shut up, but given what they inherited it would have been unrealistic to do it much sooner.
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