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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
teamorange wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
I really wish Irving wasn't on the Cavs so I can watch him on TV. Going by the number I would rate him higher than Rondo but I have never seen him play. So it is impossible to judge

l3lind golfer wrote:
If I was building a franchise, I would take Westbrook over Rondo without a doubt. Rondo is pretty much as good as he's going to get, won't really improve his jumper.

Westbrook still has TONS of room to grow and get better as a player.


Same.


For a little sense of his game, here's him owning Deron Williams to the tune of 32 points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM

His feel for the game is just magical.


Highlight videos are misleading, it takes your best case and just throws it at you. I can make a highlight video where I look good at basketball but I suck


His game is very similar to Tony Parker but Irving is a nice 3 point shooter.


Hard to judge 1 year of shooting, he could've gotten hot at one point skewing the stats. I'll judge Irving next year but he is off to a GREAT start.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
I really wish Irving wasn't on the Cavs so I can watch him on TV. Going by the number I would rate him higher than Rondo but I have never seen him play. So it is impossible to judge

l3lind golfer wrote:
If I was building a franchise, I would take Westbrook over Rondo without a doubt. Rondo is pretty much as good as he's going to get, won't really improve his jumper.

Westbrook still has TONS of room to grow and get better as a player.


Same.


For a little sense of his game, here's him owning Deron Williams to the tune of 32 points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM

His feel for the game is just magical.


Highlight videos are misleading, it takes your best case and just throws it at you. I can make a highlight video where I look good at basketball but I suck


...

That's cool, but I'm just trying to show you how he plays the game. Rolling Eyes


lol, and I could make you a video of Nick Young and you'd think he is the best scorer in the NBA.


Ok, I'll break it down for you guys. Yes, that is a highlight video. However, it depicts the way that Kyrie Irving plays the game of basketball. He's an attacker with mad handles who finishes at the rim as well as any guard. He's also a high percentage shooter from three and from the free throw line. That video depicts all the aspects of his games.

You could make a video of Nick Young going for 30... he's obviously not the best scorer in the NBA, but from the video you would be able to see the way he plays basketball.

Understand now?


And I could make a highlight video off Lebron James's Game 6 against Boston and you'd think wow, he is a phenomenal jump shooter. When in reality he is merely an average jump shooter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
I really wish Irving wasn't on the Cavs so I can watch him on TV. Going by the number I would rate him higher than Rondo but I have never seen him play. So it is impossible to judge

l3lind golfer wrote:
If I was building a franchise, I would take Westbrook over Rondo without a doubt. Rondo is pretty much as good as he's going to get, won't really improve his jumper.

Westbrook still has TONS of room to grow and get better as a player.


Same.


For a little sense of his game, here's him owning Deron Williams to the tune of 32 points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM

His feel for the game is just magical.


Highlight videos are misleading, it takes your best case and just throws it at you. I can make a highlight video where I look good at basketball but I suck


...

That's cool, but I'm just trying to show you how he plays the game. Rolling Eyes


lol, and I could make you a video of Nick Young and you'd think he is the best scorer in the NBA.


Ok, I'll break it down for you guys. Yes, that is a highlight video. However, it depicts the way that Kyrie Irving plays the game of basketball. He's an attacker with mad handles who finishes at the rim as well as any guard. He's also a high percentage shooter from three and from the free throw line. That video depicts all the aspects of his games.

You could make a video of Nick Young going for 30... he's obviously not the best scorer in the NBA, but from the video you would be able to see the way he plays basketball.

Understand now?


And I could make a highlight video off Lebron James's Game 6 against Boston and you'd think wow, he is a phenomenal jump shooter. When in reality he is merely an average jump shooter.


Well, Irving shoots 47% from the field, 40% from 3, and 87% from the stripe... so yeah, he kinda is a great jump-shooter. At this point, you're just arguing just to argue. You know what I'm trying to say...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
I really wish Irving wasn't on the Cavs so I can watch him on TV. Going by the number I would rate him higher than Rondo but I have never seen him play. So it is impossible to judge

l3lind golfer wrote:
If I was building a franchise, I would take Westbrook over Rondo without a doubt. Rondo is pretty much as good as he's going to get, won't really improve his jumper.

Westbrook still has TONS of room to grow and get better as a player.


Same.


For a little sense of his game, here's him owning Deron Williams to the tune of 32 points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM

His feel for the game is just magical.


Highlight videos are misleading, it takes your best case and just throws it at you. I can make a highlight video where I look good at basketball but I suck


...

That's cool, but I'm just trying to show you how he plays the game. Rolling Eyes


lol, and I could make you a video of Nick Young and you'd think he is the best scorer in the NBA.


Ok, I'll break it down for you guys. Yes, that is a highlight video. However, it depicts the way that Kyrie Irving plays the game of basketball. He's an attacker with mad handles who finishes at the rim as well as any guard. He's also a high percentage shooter from three and from the free throw line. That video depicts all the aspects of his games.

You could make a video of Nick Young going for 30... he's obviously not the best scorer in the NBA, but from the video you would be able to see the way he plays basketball.

Understand now?


And I could make a highlight video off Lebron James's Game 6 against Boston and you'd think wow, he is a phenomenal jump shooter. When in reality he is merely an average jump shooter.


Well, Irving shoots 47% from the field, 40% from 3, and 87% from the stripe... so yeah, he kinda is a great jump-shooter. At this point, you're just arguing just to argue. You know what I'm trying to say...


I'm not knocking how the dude plays or even if he is a good player or not. I'm simply stating a highlight video doesn't give a good indication of how a player plays.
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Another Ginger QB in the AFC North.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

U should edit ur OP and put the list in there also so it's easier to read instead of going through the pages to find it. Just makes it easier for ppl on their phones
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
BLick12 wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
c0insnap wrote:
teamorange wrote:
I really wish Irving wasn't on the Cavs so I can watch him on TV. Going by the number I would rate him higher than Rondo but I have never seen him play. So it is impossible to judge

l3lind golfer wrote:
If I was building a franchise, I would take Westbrook over Rondo without a doubt. Rondo is pretty much as good as he's going to get, won't really improve his jumper.

Westbrook still has TONS of room to grow and get better as a player.


Same.


For a little sense of his game, here's him owning Deron Williams to the tune of 32 points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPcGP8-niM

His feel for the game is just magical.


Highlight videos are misleading, it takes your best case and just throws it at you. I can make a highlight video where I look good at basketball but I suck


...

That's cool, but I'm just trying to show you how he plays the game. Rolling Eyes


lol, and I could make you a video of Nick Young and you'd think he is the best scorer in the NBA.


Ok, I'll break it down for you guys. Yes, that is a highlight video. However, it depicts the way that Kyrie Irving plays the game of basketball. He's an attacker with mad handles who finishes at the rim as well as any guard. He's also a high percentage shooter from three and from the free throw line. That video depicts all the aspects of his games.

You could make a video of Nick Young going for 30... he's obviously not the best scorer in the NBA, but from the video you would be able to see the way he plays basketball.

Understand now?


And I could make a highlight video off Lebron James's Game 6 against Boston and you'd think wow, he is a phenomenal jump shooter. When in reality he is merely an average jump shooter.


Well, Irving shoots 47% from the field, 40% from 3, and 87% from the stripe... so yeah, he kinda is a great jump-shooter. At this point, you're just arguing just to argue. You know what I'm trying to say...


I'm not knocking how the dude plays or even if he is a good player or not. I'm simply stating a highlight video doesn't give a good indication of how a player plays.


Sure it does... Players generally play the same way game-to-game... only difference being that sometimes shots go in, and sometimes shots don't. Showing a highlight video is a great way to get a feel for a players game if you haven't had the chance to see him. Obviously, he doesn't put up 32 points a night, but game in and game out, he attacks the rim and finishes over bigs, displays great handle and shoots very well from three. I'm sure any Cavs fan would agree with that, and the highlight video shows him doing those very things... thus, being a good indicator as to how he plays the game of basketball.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

3.) Deron Williams [PG; Brooklyn Nets]

2011-12 Stats: 55 GP (55 GS), 21.0 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 9.2 APG, 1.2 SPG, 4.0 TOPG, .407/.336/.843, .467 eFG%, .527 TS%, .099 WS/48, 20.3 PER
Contract: Free Agent

The top three point guards all have one thing in common, they're all capable of not only setting up their teammates but also the ability to create and make their own offense. Statistically though, Deron Williams probably doesn't deserve to get ranked inside the top three with how poor of a season he had this past year, but that largely had to do with injuries to key players an ineffectiveness of some of his teammates. That being said, he's probably the best half-court point guard in the league with his great size allowing him to post up small point guards. That isn't to say that he can't get up and down in a full court offense. He's set to become a free agent in a few weeks with the Mavericks and Nets vying for his services as one of the top point guards in the NBA. He's set to get a maximum deal from whoever ends up signing him, and is easily the most desirable free agent on the market this year.


2.) Derrick Rose [PG; Chicago Bulls]

2011-12 Stats: 39 GP (39 GS), 21.8 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 7.9 APG, 0.9 SPG, 3.1 TOPG, .435/.312/.812, .473 eFG%, .532 TS%, .211 WS/48, 23.0 PER
Contract: 5 Years, $89,163,134

Derrick Rose is one of the young superstars in the NBA right now, and even though he did tear his ACL in the playoffs it doesn't change the fact that he's a multifaceted player who could be the #1 guy on many NBA teams. His ability to get to the range and finish at the rim better than any other point guards in the NBA. While he's not quite the passer that say Deron Williams is, or the defender that Rajon Rondo is but he's going to be the guy whose most likely going to make the game winning shot of all the people on the list. If he doesn't make that shot, there is a very strong chance that he ends up drawing a foul and ends on the free throw line. Even though he's only 23 years old, he'll likely miss a majority of the year recovering from the ACL surgery, but there is only one point guard I'd take over him right now.


1.) Chris Paul [PG; Los Angeles Clippers]

2011-12 Stats: 60 GP (60 GS), 19.8 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 9.1 APG, 2.5 SPG, 2.1 TOPG, .478/.371/.861, .522 eFG%, .581 TS%, .278 WS/48, 27.0 PER
Contract: 1 Year, $17,779,458

Chris Paul was by a considerable margin the most productive point guard, and had it not been for David Stern intervening would have occurred as a member of the Los Angeles Lakers. Instead, that transpired and he found himself suiting up for the Los Angeles Clippers and helped lead an eight game turnaround and put the Clippers right in the thick of things with the Lakers for the Pacific Division title. Even though he played really well, he became quite nicked up and it affected him as the Clippers struggled to put away Memphis and the Spurs dismantled the Clippers in the second round. The Clippers will need to make some more moves if they want to convince Chris Paul to resign with the Clippers past this season.
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CP3 #1. Your past blunders on this list have been forgiven.
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l3lind golfer wrote:
CP3 #1. Your past blunders on this list have been forgiven.


Was there really any other choice? Admittedly, I'd probably take a healthy Derrick Rose and probably Russell Westbrook moving forward, right now Chris Paul is hands down the top point guard in the NBA.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

totally called that top 3. Works for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:

1.) Chris Paul [PG; Los Angeles Clippers]

2011-12 Stats: 60 GP (60 GS), 19.8 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 9.1 APG, 2.5 SPG, 2.1 TOPG, .478/.371/.861, .522 eFG%, .581 TS%, .278 WS/48, 27.0 PER
Contract: 1 Year, $17,779,458

Chris Paul was by a considerable margin the most productive point guard, and had it not been for David Stern intervening would have occurred as a member of the Los Angeles Lakers. Instead, that transpired and he found himself suiting up for the Los Angeles Clippers and helped lead an eight game turnaround and put the Clippers right in the thick of things with the Lakers for the Pacific Division title. Even though he played really well, he became quite nicked up and it affected him as the Clippers struggled to put away Memphis and the Spurs dismantled the Clippers in the second round. The Clippers will need to make some more moves if they want to convince Chris Paul to resign with the Clippers past this season.
Superb analysis.
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I am glad you didn't overreact to Williams's statistical blight this season. Moving from the Jazz to Nets meant he had to basically become the go-to guy on offense and had to become something of a volume shooter to keep them in games. He was taking over 2 more shots per game than last year with Utah and almost 4 more per game than his '09-'10 season with the Jazz. Also, his assist numbers dipped because of the caliber of players he was surrounded with. Whereas for many years the Jazz were a fringe or better playoff team out West, the Nets were cellar dwellers. Deron definitely deserves to go to a good team.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CWood21 wrote:
l3lind golfer wrote:
CP3 #1. Your past blunders on this list have been forgiven.


Was there really any other choice? Admittedly, I'd probably take a healthy Derrick Rose and probably Russell Westbrook moving forward, right now Chris Paul is hands down the top point guard in the NBA.
Same here. The Bulls just need to let him take his time getting right and not rush the process.
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keysersoze3421 wrote:
I am glad you didn't overreact to Williams's statistical blight this season. Moving from the Jazz to Nets meant he had to basically become the go-to guy on offense and had to become something of a volume shooter to keep them in games. He was taking over 2 more shots per game than last year with Utah and almost 4 more per game than his '09-'10 season with the Jazz. Also, his assist numbers dipped because of the caliber of players he was surrounded with. Whereas for many years the Jazz were a fringe or better playoff team out West, the Nets were cellar dwellers. Deron definitely deserves to go to a good team.


I agree. I would have Deron #1, at least #2, but I can't complain really.

Deron is more of a passing PG, however, so it was a pretty big adjustment having to become the main scorer in NJ.
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Welp.

Our top 10 list is very different, but we have the same #1. I appreciate the work that went into it.

Sidenote;
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had it not been for David Stern intervening would have occurred as a member of the Los Angeles Lakers.

seemed more suited for a team thread than a player's ranking thread.
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