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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:18 pm    Post subject: SoS's Fantasy Questions: Oakland Raiders Reply with quote

How's it going guys!? I'm sure many of you know me as the rambunctious Seattle homer that posts way too much.

Well in my spare time during this time of the season I usually run a Fantasy Football Advice thread for those of you that are into that kinda thing. Check out the 2012 thread I'll be making soon!

Anyways, I just had a few questions to ensure that I'm not ignorant with any advice I provide this offseason. That's why I've come up with a batch of clarifying questions for all 32 teams and getting my facts straight. Thanks to everyone that helps in advance!

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1. The big topic of discussion for fantasy is the wideout position. If you could only take one player in fantasy this season, would you rather have Denarius Moore or DHB?

2. Carson Palmer is a name that gets overlooked a lot for fantasy QBs. What do you guys realistically think he'll do this season and will he hold any fantasy value?

3. Darren McFadden is a very polarizing player in fantasy circles. Some think he's a bonafide top 10 pick with his potential whereas others may not even take him until the 3rd with his injury risk. I currently fall on the latter side of the fence, but where would you guys realistically rank DMC going into 2012 for fantasy purposes?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb, do ya thang.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont know a thing about fantasy football, but from purely a football perspective, here is my opinions:

1. I think Moore is going to be better in the long run, but just for next year I think DHB would be a better choice. He is our #1 as of right now, and our new WCO suits him and his shorter routes better imo.

2. I expect big things from Palmer this year. Our oline is improved, he will finally know the playbook inside and out, more chemistry with our young WR's, in better mental and physical shape etc etc. Add in he never player with our best player at all last season, and I can see him putting up borderline pro bowl worthy stats.

3. McFadden is the 1A/B RB in the NFL when healthy, but I am at the point where I dont think he can ever be healthy for an entire season. He runs so violently and physical. that he is bound to bang something up at some point in the year. I would definitely look at him but not to to high.

Just my opinions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Right now, I'd go with DHB. With us running the WCO now he going to rack up the YAC. Moore will average way more YPC though. I think Moore is definitely a sleeper late round pick.

2) I think when its all said and done Palmer will be a 12-18 QB range. I dont know how I would feel about him my first quarterback ( i take QB's late) but with our improved OL and a healthy DMC plus another year of chemistry with DHB, Moore, and Ford, he should be in the same sentence as Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, and Freeman. If he can limit his interceptions, he could be a steal.

3) Darren McFadden, my mind is split. I dont think I would take him with my first pick. But if i grab Brees or Rodgers and then next round hes still there, I believe the risk/reward is just too good to pass up. He has the skill set to be better than MJD, Rice, CJ2k...etc. Hes that special. Even more so now with Palmer and our trio split out wide.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have there been any reports on DMC's health this offseason?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaveourSonics wrote:
Have there been any reports on DMC's health this offseason?


Yup. He's 100% and looking better than ever. Just like every other season. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/05/15/raiders.mcfadden.palmer.ap/index.html

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McFadden said it took until early April until he could start running again and now he has no limitations. He has been running full speed and making cuts on the foot, showing signs of what he can bring to the Raiders offense this season if he can remain healthy.

That's always been the biggest question for McFadden, who has missed 19 games in his first four seasons with foot, toe, shoulder, knee and hamstring injuries. Despite that history, McFadden disagrees with the notion that he is injury prone.


Good article on his health for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man...how frustrating.

And that's just coming from a fantasy perspective. Can't imagine being a fan of the Raiders and dealing with it Laughing Knowing how great he could be.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: SoS's Fantasy Questions: Oakland Raiders Reply with quote

1. The big topic of discussion for fantasy is the wideout position. If you could only take one player in fantasy this season, would you rather have Denarius Moore or DHB?
DHB. Although not a WR1 as his scoring will not be consistent, DHB has proven to be relatively durable. Moore, while exhibiting highlight film ability, is diminutive and has yet to prove durable often inhibited by the soft tissue injuries, such as hamstrings, that are characteristic of speedsters. The Raider's offense coordinator, Knapp, has suggested a ZBS run-heavy WCO. Imo, DHB is a classic WCO big bodied WR. Moore is a situational waiver-wire matchup that could yeild big returns if pts are given for long scores and Criner could be a redzone target steal at the end of the draft if you have the room to store him away.

2. Carson Palmer is a name that gets overlooked a lot for fantasy QBs. What do you guys realistically think he'll do this season and will he hold any fantasy value?
QB2. As indicated above supposedly the offense will be run-heavy as it mimics Kubiak's offense, however given DMC's injury history and a porus, rebuilding defense the Raiders could be forced to play catchup through the air. Ultimately, Palmer's numbers should emulate Shaub's.

3. Darren McFadden is a very polarizing player in fantasy circles. Some think he's a bonafide top 10 pick with his potential whereas others may not even take him until the 3rd with his injury risk. I currently fall on the latter side of the fence, but where would you guys realistically rank DMC going into 2012 for fantasy purposes?
RB2, anything above that is incurring too much risk although the potential for exponential return is intriguing. Most likely drafted at the beginning of R2 for someone going RB, RB. The handcuff is Goodson which presents value as most will anticipate Jones.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question 1 - I guess for me it would depend on the format. If its PPR then I prefer DHB. He lead the team in receptions by a pretty fair amount. Moore could have a breakout season but even if he does I see him as more of a big play WR with a high average, a 7-8 TDs, but not a ton of catches. Where as I think DHB has the advantage of more trust from Palmer on the short and intermediate stuff (correct me if im wrong but didnt Moore have two really bad drops that went for INTs over the middle), but not as much big play ability. Standard format go with Moore. PPR go DHB imo.

Question 2 - Ill go as far to say that Carson Palmer will be a top 12 fantasy QB this season, and could be great value pick. When you look at his numbers since 2005 (not counting 2008 since he played only 4 games) you can pretty much pencil him in for 3800 yards, 26 TDs, and 15 INTs or somewhere in that ballpark. Palmer can be a good fantasy QB for you especially since he has always played well against the teams in the division, especially SD.

Is he the most efficient QB? No, and those are valid concerns when talking about him as your "franchise" QB, but in fantasy your looking for numbers, and Palmer can certainly put them up. I guess this also kind of depends on what you think our WR core will do next year.

Question 3 - Until proven otherwise just assume that Darren McFadden will miss time at some point this season. However that doesnt mean that he cant be a great value pick. Would I take him with my first pick? No, too much risk. Would I take him to pair up with a sure thing at another position? You betcha.. The key is making sure that you dont have to depend on him as your primary scorer, but can be your second or third guy (that can lead you in scoring when healthy) and then just be smart whit your waiver pickups and depth behind him. You have to determine where your value for him is, and that varies from player to player.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaveourSonics wrote:
Man...how frustrating.

And that's just coming from a fantasy perspective. Can't imagine being a fan of the Raiders and dealing with it Laughing Knowing how great he could be.


I'm one of the few who doesn't blame McFadden's health on perceived fragility. It is impossible for someone who plays the game the way he does to stay healthy.

My opinions on your first post:

1. DHB over Moore. DHB is the underdog, but he stays healthy and on the field, and just will keep beating the odds and getting the ball. My fear with Moore is injury. He had sme injury issues his rookie year and just got hurt again. He'll be the new Raicer fans' Schilens, a guy we all want to be all pro, but who just has minor injury after injury. Until he proves his health and dominates consistently, he's just another potential piece for us fans.
No Raider WR is a great fantasy bet. DHB was a real good fantasy #3 WR last year for the 2nd half, and will remain just that.
In keeper leagues, take a look at Juron Criner. And as a late round flier Rod Streater. They'll both make the team.

2. Palmer, even in his best years, was never quite a top fantasy guy. He was someone you wanted to be that guy.. That remains the same. In an 8 team league, there's no way he can start for you. Even in a 12 team league it's questionable. There's no particular reason to think that will change. He's a fantasy backup, but possibly a good one if things go right.

3. The toughest question of all. DMC... I picked him 1st round last year, loved it as a Raider fan, and paid for it in fantasy. He was a beast for a month. I went into it thinking I wanted to have fun and have him on my team, and that's what I had. As far as stright forward fantasy, going after him in the 1st is a real risk. Used to be if you took him and Bush, it would be a better bet. But now that Bush is gone no clear backup will be there to hog carries and give you a good handcuff. If he's a first rounder in your league, then take a pass.

My take on it.
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Silver&Black88 wrote:
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1. DHB over Moore. He was more consistent last season and Moore has been dealing with a lot of minor injuries in his short career. It's a close call though since Moore has shown he's more of a big play threat and can/should score more than DHB.

2. I'm seeing Palmer around 4000 yards and 25 TDs on the season. The issue is the ints. I think he'll be around 15 there. Where does that rank him among QBs in fantasy football, i don't know.

3. DMC is too risky to be a top 10 pick. There are safer players to get before him. I'd have to rank the rest of the league to get an idea where he belongs and i'm not doing that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. DHB drops a lot fo balls...pissed me off last year....but should b better this year


2. I have used Carson in the past and enjoyed him. Draft a pass happy qb first


3. Dmc- LOVED HIM WHEN healthy. Picking up a replacement is hard, but when he is running it was great. He carried one of my teams last year.


4. Can't go wrong with Seabass and our D might be surprise this year.
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Preacher wrote:
1. DHB drops a lot fo balls...pissed me off last year....but should b better this year


2. I have used Carson in the past and enjoyed him. Draft a pass happy qb first


3. Dmc- LOVED HIM WHEN healthy. Picking up a replacement is hard, but when he is running it was great. He carried one of my teams last year.


4. Can't go wrong with Seabass and our D might be surprise this year.


DHB didnt drop that many balls last year. Its not official but I have seen 6 as the number recorded. Maybe he had a few more, but drops really werent a problem for him last year. He still needs to work on his hands, but it wasnt near the problem it was his first couple of years. No WR catches everything.
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SaveourSonics wrote:
Man...how frustrating.

And that's just coming from a fantasy perspective. Can't imagine being a fan of the Raiders and dealing with it Laughing Knowing how great he could be.

It's frustrating, but not as frustrating as having your home team leave the city. Wink

1. DHB is the short yardage/YAC guy. He will consistently get the ball thrown his way. Moore is the playmaker who also happens to be Palmer's favorite target. The two have great chemistry together. The only thing stopping Moore is his injury concerns. Can't go wrong with either IMO. DHB is a safer pick, but Moore has more upside.

2. Palmer will be a lot better than he was last season. He has a huge chip on his shoulder and is doing whatever he can to succeed in this offense. Still, there are better options for fantasy. His biggest downside is his INT rate.

3. McFadden is 100% healthy and ready to go this season. He's a Top 5 RB who does it all, but as you know, his health hinders his production and on the field attendance. Sink or swim type pick.
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