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Baggabonez
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| Professor Oak wrote: |
1. DHB is the short yardage/YAC guy. He will consistently get the ball thrown his way. Moore is the playmaker who also happens to be Palmer's favorite target. The two have great chemistry together. The only thing stopping Moore is his injury concerns. Can't go wrong with either IMO. DHB is a safer pick, but Moore has more upside. |
With all due respect, what is the bold based on? Palmer's favorite target will be whom ever he throws the ball to most. In the rare case his favorite WR isn't the same as the team reception leader, then it doesn't matter who his favorite WR is. It could be Ocho for what's it worth.
Until there is a formal announcement or statistics bear out there is no proof that Moore is now the primary WR1 regardless of where he lines up. It will take more than a few good words of praise from Palmer to anoint Moore as this is the first I have become aware of this suggestion.
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Silver&Black88
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| oakdb36 wrote: | | Silver&Black88 wrote: | | oakdb, do ya thang. |
1. DHB over Moore. He was more consistent last season and Moore has been dealing with a lot of minor injuries in his short career. It's a close call though since Moore has shown he's more of a big play threat and can/should score more than DHB.
2. I'm seeing Palmer around 4000 yards and 25 TDs on the season. The issue is the ints. I think he'll be around 15 there. Where does that rank him among QBs in fantasy football, i don't know.
3. DMC is too risky to be a top 10 pick. There are safer players to get before him. I'd have to rank the rest of the league to get an idea where he belongs and i'm not doing that.
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Professor Oak
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | | SaveourSonics wrote: | Man...how frustrating.
And that's just coming from a fantasy perspective. Can't imagine being a fan of the Raiders and dealing with it  Knowing how great he could be. |
It's frustrating, but not as frustrating as having your home team leave the city. 
1. DHB is the short yardage/YAC guy. He will consistently get the ball thrown his way. Moore is the playmaker who also happens to be Palmer's favorite target. The two have great chemistry together. The only thing stopping Moore is his injury concerns. Can't go wrong with either IMO. DHB is a safer pick, but Moore has more upside. |
With all due respect, what is the bold based on? Palmer's favorite target will be whom ever he throws the ball to most. In the rare case his favorite WR isn't the same as the team reception leader, then it doesn't matter who his favorite WR is. It could be Ocho for what's it worth.
Until there is a formal announcement or statistics bear out there is no proof that Moore is now the primary WR1 regardless of where he lines up. It will take more than a few good words of praise from Palmer to anoint Moore as this is the first I have become aware of this suggestion. |
It's an observation, not a fact. Just my opinion.
Praising & gushing aside, the two were comfortable with each other from the very start. The trust Palmer had in Moore was not evident with the other guys until the end of the season. If you recall, Ford, DHB, and Murphy somewhat acted like divas when their guy (Campbell) was replaced by Palmer. It wasn't until the end of the season (and Moore's injury woes) until DHB became the 'go-to guy'.
End of the day, both DHB and Moore will see a ton of balls thrown their way.
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Baggabonez
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Professor Oak wrote: | | End of the day, both DHB and Moore will see a ton of balls thrown their way. |
Define "a ton". What will the DHB v Moore ratio ultimately be?
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | | Professor Oak wrote: | | End of the day, both DHB and Moore will see a ton of balls thrown their way. |
Define "a ton". |
A good amount.
| Baggabonez wrote: | | What will the DHB v Moore ratio ultimately be? |
No one knows the answer to this. Not to mention it's a moot point.
What are you trying to get out of me?
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Baggabonez
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Easy. I was just curious no other agenda.
Are you suggesting a ratio near 50/50? idk, I envision something very similar to last season. (DHB 50%, Moore 35%, other 15%)
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Silver&Black88
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggabonez wrote: | Easy. I was just curious no other agenda.
Are you suggesting a ratio near 50/50? idk, I envision something very similar to last season. (DHB 50%, Moore 35%, other 15%) |
I think it'll end up something like:
Moore 35%, DHB 25%, Ford 15%, Criner 15%, 10% other as far as WR's go. Palmer loved Moore.
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | Baggabonez wrote: | Easy. I was just curious no other agenda.
Are you suggesting a ratio near 50/50? idk, I envision something very similar to last season. (DHB 50%, Moore 35%, other 15%) |
I think it'll end up something like:
Moore 35%, DHB 25%, Ford 15%, Criner 15%, 10% other as far as WR's go. Palmer loved Moore. |
Over the final five weeks DHB was a top ten fantasy WR, so Palmer obviously has a lot of love for him as well. Palmer's trust grew in all the guys, but maybe most in DHB. He was feeding him targets later in the year. I expect DHB to see more targets because he will likely run more underneath and indeterminate stuff and Moore will run a lot of deep routes. So I would give it something like
DHB 40%, Moore 28%, Criner (I think he ends up being the number three guy by week 8 or so) 15%, Ford 12%, Streater/Murphy 5%.
Not factoring in Reece and the TEs.
A lot of it will depend on just how much growth we see from Moore and if we can count on him to be in the lineup on a weekly basis.
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Palmer threw to DHB more. But he was frustrated with him at times as far as timing goes.
Their timing will be a lot better this year and it wasn't even that bad last year.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:00 am Post subject: Re: SoS's Fantasy Questions: Oakland Raiders |
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| SaveourSonics wrote: | Questions
1. The big topic of discussion for fantasy is the wideout position. If you could only take one player in fantasy this season, would you rather have Denarius Moore or DHB?
2. Carson Palmer is a name that gets overlooked a lot for fantasy QBs. What do you guys realistically think he'll do this season and will he hold any fantasy value?
3. Darren McFadden is a very polarizing player in fantasy circles. Some think he's a bonafide top 10 pick with his potential whereas others may not even take him until the 3rd with his injury risk. I currently fall on the latter side of the fence, but where would you guys realistically rank DMC going into 2012 for fantasy purposes? |
1. Depends on league scoring. In a PPR league, I think DHB is the one to target because of the larger amount of receptions he will amass.
Moore will probably have less catches and yards, but more TDs and a high potential.
If I had to throw numbers out there, I'd project DHB with about 70 catches and just under 1000 yards with 5 TDs. DMoore should end with about 55 catches, just under 900 yards, and 7 TDs.
One think to keep in mind is Moore's injuries. If he plays all the games this year, he will probably finish ahead of DHB, but he probably won't.
2. Middle of the pack, decent back up QB. 4000 yards, 25 TDs. He could do a bit better than that, but he adds nothing with his legs compared to other QBs like Big Ben, Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman, Andrew Luck, etc.
3. If he plays 13 or more games I will be happy. If for some reason he stays healthy all year, he is the #1 RB and puts up 2000+ APY. More likely he'll finish around 1200-1500 APY with 9TDs and miss a few games. I'll take him in mid round 2 because his upside is too high to pass for me, but I'm a bit of a gambler.
NOTE* I've picked DMC every year
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:00 am Post subject: |
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I agree with the majority.
1. I had dhb last season just cause out of all the receivers he seemed like he was the only one in sync with Carson and healthy. Reports are he's starting to look like a #1
2. Carson is a #2 but in all honesty I don't believe in having 2 qbs on ur roster.
3. I personally would draft Mcfadden in the top of the 2nd. In a 12 person format I wouldn't hesitate to take him 14 or higher. But just do whatever you can to get his cuff, whoever that may be. |
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