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Reality_Check
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| ThorntonMelon wrote: |
You lost some credibility with this statement. There is absolutely no reason, other than media hype, to think that DeCastro is much better than Zeitler, or that Zeitler is much better than DeCastro.
They are very, very similar players. Zeitler's blocking effieciency grades were very slightly better tha DeCastro's. And their measurables were nearly identical.
DeCastro blocked for Luck, and got more hype. That is what you are basing your opinion on whether you realize it or not. |
Not saying you didn't watch much tape, but....
DeCastro was the highest player I graded out this past draft, can play 4 of the 5 positions on the line. Steelers personnel guy I talked to had him as 8th best player in draft, Zeitler as borderline 1st/2nd rounder.
They aren't in the same tier. I like Zeitler, but DeCastro was well ahead of him on my board.
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snoopydawg44us
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| DeCastro is a "Beast" glad he's a Steeler. We Steeler Fans are happy, Bengal Fans are happy. Lets see what they can do once they put the "pads" on. |
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onejayhawk
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
Good for you.
The Steelers and Ravens would never make that trade either.
And last time I checked, the Steelers and Ravens are much much much better at drafting.
You go ahead and take the flashy player. The Steelers will continue drafting better overall and being a far better team.
Thanks anyway champ.
Also..
- Every team has players that flash in OTAs....that means nothing.
- The Browns arent the best secondary in the AFC North LMAO. Let me know when you get something better than average in the secondary along with Haden.
- Winn was a nice pick, but thats far from a slam dunk. |
Both teams would take that deal in a heartbeat, especially the Ravens. Even knowing they could get DD, the Steelers still take the deal. Trent Richardson is worth trashing you whole draft scheme to get, see eg Dallas and their new CB.
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theJ
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| snoopydawg44us wrote: | | DeCastro is a "Beast" glad he's a Steeler. We Steeler Fans are happy, Bengal Fans are happy. Lets see what they can do once they put the "pads" on. |
I think that's the best truth in here. Now that the draft is done, most Bengals fans would not trade Zeitler for Decastro, and vice versa.
I like Zeitler more because of two reasons:
1) Wisconsin pumps out successful NFL Olinemen.
2) Zeitler was hailed as a better run blocker, Decastro the better pass blocker. The Bengals will be a run team first (primarily running over the right side, where Zeitler will be...Decastro would have been a LG for the Bengals), therefore he fits the system better.
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ThorntonMelon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| theJ wrote: | | snoopydawg44us wrote: | | DeCastro is a "Beast" glad he's a Steeler. We Steeler Fans are happy, Bengal Fans are happy. Lets see what they can do once they put the "pads" on. |
I think that's the best truth in here. Now that the draft is done, most Bengals fans would not trade Zeitler for Decastro, and vice versa.
I like Zeitler more because of two reasons:
1) Wisconsin pumps out successful NFL Olinemen.
2) Zeitler was hailed as a better run blocker, Decastro the better pass blocker. The Bengals will be a run team first (primarily running over the right side, where Zeitler will be...Decastro would have been a LG for the Bengals), therefore he fits the system better. |
DeCastro is not a better pass blocker. And if the Bengals drafted DeCastro he would still have played RG. |
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mtmmike
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| onejayhawk wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
Good for you.
The Steelers and Ravens would never make that trade either.
And last time I checked, the Steelers and Ravens are much much much better at drafting.
You go ahead and take the flashy player. The Steelers will continue drafting better overall and being a far better team.
Thanks anyway champ.
Also..
- Every team has players that flash in OTAs....that means nothing.
- The Browns arent the best secondary in the AFC North LMAO. Let me know when you get something better than average in the secondary along with Haden.
- Winn was a nice pick, but thats far from a slam dunk. |
Both teams would take that deal in a heartbeat, especially the Ravens. Even knowing they could get DD, the Steelers still take the deal. Trent Richardson is worth trashing you whole draft scheme to get, see eg Dallas and their new CB.
J |
well first of all the steelers are excellent at drafting but how good have they been in the playoffs.
2 every single gm thinks richardson is a stud.
3the browns have drafted some excellent young talent last year alone they drafted two future all stars and taylor and sheard .
4the secondary skrine (the browns 5th db) is better than than some starters in the afc north. |
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Wislakrak
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: my 2012 draft grades |
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| mrdv1 wrote: |
Chicago bears:
1. McClellin C+
2. Jeffery C
3. Hardin C
4. Rodriguez C
5. Frey D+
6. McCoy C-
Overall: C
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A FARCE I SAY! McClellin deserve to be somwhere in the B range because while he may never be a huge superstar he should have a career like Mincey as a great guy to go opposite a great pass rusher. While Jeffery is also an above average pick, as he has great hands. The Bears receivers last years, sans Earl Bennett, had some of the worst hands in the NFL. They dropped a lot of easy passes, and rarely came close on harder ones. While Hardin should be a D+ way too big of a reach for that pick. E-Rod is right, a reach bug a high ceiling. Frey and McCoy don't really matter that much |
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Flaccomania
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| onejayhawk wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | mtmmike wrote: | I give your draft grade a F.
analysis first I wouldnt take baltimore and pittsburgh first and second round picks for trent straight up.
Benjamin wr flashed at the ota caught 4 passes against the best secondary in the afc north.
miller look at his game versus suh you might call it the battle of the bulge part 2.
winn will be the best player selected in the sixth round score a.
shwarz yes we reached but i have him rated higher then your druggie adams
in conclusion browns draft A even if the new quarteback fails. |
Good for you.
The Steelers and Ravens would never make that trade either.
And last time I checked, the Steelers and Ravens are much much much better at drafting.
You go ahead and take the flashy player. The Steelers will continue drafting better overall and being a far better team.
Thanks anyway champ.
Also..
- Every team has players that flash in OTAs....that means nothing.
- The Browns arent the best secondary in the AFC North LMAO. Let me know when you get something better than average in the secondary along with Haden.
- Winn was a nice pick, but thats far from a slam dunk. |
Both teams would take that deal in a heartbeat, especially the Ravens. Even knowing they could get DD, the Steelers still take the deal. Trent Richardson is worth trashing you whole draft scheme to get, see eg Dallas and their new CB.
J |
The Ravens would not have made that deal to select Trent Richardson. They may have done the deal if offered, but it'd have not been for TRich.
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