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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Darbsk wrote: |
Good post, also have a good feeling about Ausberry but Gordon IMHO will never be more than a role player. As i said earlier, Ausbery has i feel the most potential, Myers is the better all round player right now and Gordon is a long shot to be much of a factor.
Whilst i agree that we shouldn't anoint anyone right now there is evidence to suggest that Ausberry might be worth getting a little optimistic over, he has good measurables, is thought of as a hard worker and has played WR so should have decent hands. Nothing guaranteed but those few pointers suggest he could be up to something. At the moment, JTagg would be right in that none have produced that well or shown too much (they have hardly been given a great opportunity yet though) but there is definate potential there. The point i think 3828 was correctly making was that it isn't a stab in the dark to suggest that Ausberry has potential, he has shown indications (albeit in off season activities) that he does have something to get optimistic over (unlike for example Bruce Campbell who never did anything of note if i recall). |
What seems to happen is our fans get *overly* optimistic about trash players all the time. I just try to find reason for their claims. That's my thing. You're right also, it's not a stab in the dark b/c of measureables but the amount of people who have panned out due to measureables isn't exactly high.
We only have a month and some change til preseason when we get our first action (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!) so we'll see then....... can't wait for the next preseason super hero. |
Thats exactly my point against Pryor switching to TE. He has the measurables: size, speed, strength, but that isnt enough even for players who arent switching to a brand new position. Sure, Pryor could cause mismatches, but thats putting a ton of faith in his ability to learn how to run routes, go up against DBs and LBs, make catches in traffic- heck, make catches, period. |
The sad thing is, I have more faith in him learning to do that when comparing to whether or not he can play QB in this league.... I mean, he's played football all his life. I'm pretty sure he can catch and run a couple routes. He's athletic. That's significantly easier to do than play QB IMO. |
You think he can block?
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| JTagg7754 wrote: | | Darbsk wrote: |
Good post, also have a good feeling about Ausberry but Gordon IMHO will never be more than a role player. As i said earlier, Ausbery has i feel the most potential, Myers is the better all round player right now and Gordon is a long shot to be much of a factor.
Whilst i agree that we shouldn't anoint anyone right now there is evidence to suggest that Ausberry might be worth getting a little optimistic over, he has good measurables, is thought of as a hard worker and has played WR so should have decent hands. Nothing guaranteed but those few pointers suggest he could be up to something. At the moment, JTagg would be right in that none have produced that well or shown too much (they have hardly been given a great opportunity yet though) but there is definate potential there. The point i think 3828 was correctly making was that it isn't a stab in the dark to suggest that Ausberry has potential, he has shown indications (albeit in off season activities) that he does have something to get optimistic over (unlike for example Bruce Campbell who never did anything of note if i recall). |
What seems to happen is our fans get *overly* optimistic about trash players all the time. I just try to find reason for their claims. That's my thing. You're right also, it's not a stab in the dark b/c of measureables but the amount of people who have panned out due to measureables isn't exactly high.
We only have a month and some change til preseason when we get our first action (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!) so we'll see then....... can't wait for the next preseason super hero. |
The measurables of course are only 1/3 of my personal reasoning behind why i think Ausbery has something to offer, i also said he is thought of as a hard worker and has playing experience at WR running routes and catching balls (it's not like we are converting a tackle to a pass catcher TE for example). Admittedly he didn't set the world alight as a college WR, but I suggest he should be able to run reasonable TE routes and catch passes a TE could be expected to catch given his experienmce as a WR previously.
Having said that, you raise a very valid point JTagg in that every year there seems to be a real swell of enthusiasm over an 'underdog' type prospect, Louis Rankin, Bruce Campbell, Nick Miller for example have been built up by fans (myself included over NM) and have failed to live up to expectations. So we do have to temper our expectations.
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6'4" 265 is a mini TE?
The greatest TE of all time (Tony G) is 6'5" 247
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | 6'4" 265 is a mini TE?
The greatest TE of all time is 6'5" 247 |
Tony Moeaki is 6'3 251 lbs
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | 6'4" 265 is a mini TE?
The greatest TE of all time is 6'5" 247 |
Tony Moeaki is 6'3 251 lbs |
I Must have looked at the wrong numbers 
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | 6'4" 265 is a mini TE?
The greatest TE of all time is 6'5" 247 |
Tony Moeaki is 6'3 251 lbs |
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Darbsk wrote: |
Good post, also have a good feeling about Ausberry but Gordon IMHO will never be more than a role player. As i said earlier, Ausbery has i feel the most potential, Myers is the better all round player right now and Gordon is a long shot to be much of a factor.
Whilst i agree that we shouldn't anoint anyone right now there is evidence to suggest that Ausberry might be worth getting a little optimistic over, he has good measurables, is thought of as a hard worker and has played WR so should have decent hands. Nothing guaranteed but those few pointers suggest he could be up to something. At the moment, JTagg would be right in that none have produced that well or shown too much (they have hardly been given a great opportunity yet though) but there is definate potential there. The point i think 3828 was correctly making was that it isn't a stab in the dark to suggest that Ausberry has potential, he has shown indications (albeit in off season activities) that he does have something to get optimistic over (unlike for example Bruce Campbell who never did anything of note if i recall). |
What seems to happen is our fans get *overly* optimistic about trash players all the time. I just try to find reason for their claims. That's my thing. You're right also, it's not a stab in the dark b/c of measureables but the amount of people who have panned out due to measureables isn't exactly high.
We only have a month and some change til preseason when we get our first action (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!) so we'll see then....... can't wait for the next preseason super hero. |
Thats exactly my point against Pryor switching to TE. He has the measurables: size, speed, strength, but that isnt enough even for players who arent switching to a brand new position. Sure, Pryor could cause mismatches, but thats putting a ton of faith in his ability to learn how to run routes, go up against DBs and LBs, make catches in traffic- heck, make catches, period. |
The sad thing is, I have more faith in him learning to do that when comparing to whether or not he can play QB in this league.... I mean, he's played football all his life. I'm pretty sure he can catch and run a couple routes. He's athletic. That's significantly easier to do than play QB IMO. |
You think he can block? |
+1
That was going to be my response, too. Sure, guys like Finley are used primarily as receivers, but they can still block.
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| Silver&Black88 wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | 6'4" 265 is a mini TE?
The greatest TE of all time is 6'5" 247 |
Tony Moeaki is 6'3 251 lbs |
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Darbsk wrote: |
Good post, also have a good feeling about Ausberry but Gordon IMHO will never be more than a role player. As i said earlier, Ausbery has i feel the most potential, Myers is the better all round player right now and Gordon is a long shot to be much of a factor.
Whilst i agree that we shouldn't anoint anyone right now there is evidence to suggest that Ausberry might be worth getting a little optimistic over, he has good measurables, is thought of as a hard worker and has played WR so should have decent hands. Nothing guaranteed but those few pointers suggest he could be up to something. At the moment, JTagg would be right in that none have produced that well or shown too much (they have hardly been given a great opportunity yet though) but there is definate potential there. The point i think 3828 was correctly making was that it isn't a stab in the dark to suggest that Ausberry has potential, he has shown indications (albeit in off season activities) that he does have something to get optimistic over (unlike for example Bruce Campbell who never did anything of note if i recall). |
What seems to happen is our fans get *overly* optimistic about trash players all the time. I just try to find reason for their claims. That's my thing. You're right also, it's not a stab in the dark b/c of measureables but the amount of people who have panned out due to measureables isn't exactly high.
We only have a month and some change til preseason when we get our first action (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!) so we'll see then....... can't wait for the next preseason super hero. |
Thats exactly my point against Pryor switching to TE. He has the measurables: size, speed, strength, but that isnt enough even for players who arent switching to a brand new position. Sure, Pryor could cause mismatches, but thats putting a ton of faith in his ability to learn how to run routes, go up against DBs and LBs, make catches in traffic- heck, make catches, period. |
The sad thing is, I have more faith in him learning to do that when comparing to whether or not he can play QB in this league.... I mean, he's played football all his life. I'm pretty sure he can catch and run a couple routes. He's athletic. That's significantly easier to do than play QB IMO. |
You think he can block? |
+1
That was going to be my response, too. Sure, guys like Finley are used primarily as receivers, but they can still block. |
I disagree slightly. They might still be good effort blockers, but its pretty rare that you see guys like Finley, Clark, Hernandez, etc lined up on the line and blocking.
In today's NFL there is still a role for an athletic guy at TE that leaves something to be desired blocking wise. Now im not saying that Pryor is the answer there, but that reasoning gives me more hope for Ausberry because that is the one area I believe he will struggle to do consistently.
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OakRaiders3828
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| LivingLegendWFC wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | ZoomWaffle wrote: | | JTagg7754 wrote: | | Darbsk wrote: |
Good post, also have a good feeling about Ausberry but Gordon IMHO will never be more than a role player. As i said earlier, Ausbery has i feel the most potential, Myers is the better all round player right now and Gordon is a long shot to be much of a factor.
Whilst i agree that we shouldn't anoint anyone right now there is evidence to suggest that Ausberry might be worth getting a little optimistic over, he has good measurables, is thought of as a hard worker and has played WR so should have decent hands. Nothing guaranteed but those few pointers suggest he could be up to something. At the moment, JTagg would be right in that none have produced that well or shown too much (they have hardly been given a great opportunity yet though) but there is definate potential there. The point i think 3828 was correctly making was that it isn't a stab in the dark to suggest that Ausberry has potential, he has shown indications (albeit in off season activities) that he does have something to get optimistic over (unlike for example Bruce Campbell who never did anything of note if i recall). |
What seems to happen is our fans get *overly* optimistic about trash players all the time. I just try to find reason for their claims. That's my thing. You're right also, it's not a stab in the dark b/c of measureables but the amount of people who have panned out due to measureables isn't exactly high.
We only have a month and some change til preseason when we get our first action (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!) so we'll see then....... can't wait for the next preseason super hero. |
Thats exactly my point against Pryor switching to TE. He has the measurables: size, speed, strength, but that isnt enough even for players who arent switching to a brand new position. Sure, Pryor could cause mismatches, but thats putting a ton of faith in his ability to learn how to run routes, go up against DBs and LBs, make catches in traffic- heck, make catches, period. |
The sad thing is, I have more faith in him learning to do that when comparing to whether or not he can play QB in this league.... I mean, he's played football all his life. I'm pretty sure he can catch and run a couple routes. He's athletic. That's significantly easier to do than play QB IMO. |
You think he can block? |
+1
That was going to be my response, too. Sure, guys like Finley are used primarily as receivers, but they can still block. |
I disagree slightly. They might still be good effort blockers, but its pretty rare that you see guys like Finley, Clark, Hernandez, etc lined up on the line and blocking.
In today's NFL there is still a role for an athletic guy at TE that leaves something to be desired blocking wise. Now im not saying that Pryor is the answer there, but that reasoning gives me more hope for Ausberry because that is the one area I believe he will struggle to do consistently. |
What has Pryor shown that he can be a better TE than Ausberry? 40 time? Is 4.3 THAT much greater than 4.4? Ausberry at least played WR and has a year playing TE in the NFL. Not to mention he's beefed up to become a better blocker and apparently hasn't lost any speed.
EDIT: I misunderstood you. I thought you said Pryor gives you more hope than Ausberry. Sorry 
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| Darbsk wrote: | The measurables of course are only 1/3 of my personal reasoning behind why i think Ausbery has something to offer, i also said he is thought of as a hard worker and has playing experience at WR running routes and catching balls (it's not like we are converting a tackle to a pass catcher TE for example). Admittedly he didn't set the world alight as a college WR, but I suggest he should be able to run reasonable TE routes and catch passes a TE could be expected to catch given his experienmce as a WR previously.
Having said that, you raise a very valid point JTagg in that every year there seems to be a real swell of enthusiasm over an 'underdog' type prospect, Louis Rankin, Bruce Campbell, Nick Miller for example have been built up by fans (myself included over NM) and have failed to live up to expectations. So we do have to temper our expectations. |
I can agree w/ that first paragraph. I also think that w/ Pryor's height and speed advantage, he might have to learn less. I'm not saying he'll be capable of even running the easiest of routes but it's worth a shot IMO.
I tend to keep my expectations low (shocking haha) but the Pryor at TE is simply a theory and something I wouldn't mind seeing tested at the very least. He does have one thing going for him and that is no one will have a clue at how well he can perform at the position. Surely, there's a 80% chance he'll flop but I guess we'll never know til we see it. If I do remember correctly, he did catch some trick play passes at OSU but I could be terribly mistaken so don't hold it against me if I'm wrong haha
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| ZoomWaffle wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | You think he can block? |
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That was going to be my response, too. Sure, guys like Finley are used primarily as receivers, but they can still block. |
I hate to answer a question w/ a question but does it matter? There are TEs out there w/ very little blocking ability. A chip is fine by me IMO and I'm sure he's capable of that if needed.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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| LivingLegendWFC wrote: |
I disagree slightly. They might still be good effort blockers, but its pretty rare that you see guys like Finley, Clark, Hernandez, etc lined up on the line and blocking. |
Good examples.
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not with the way the nfl is right now. id take a guy like kaep over them |
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Those TE's listed play with elite quarterbacks on teams that rarely run the ball.
For every Graham, Clark, and Hernandez (Brees, Brady, Manning) there is Gronkowski, Davis, Miller, Gates, Gonzalez ( who can block)
And Finley? Finley sucks. Yeah he draws double coverage at times but he can't block and has stone hands. Definitely overrated
There's exceptions to every rule and in our offense, TE's need to block. Hopefully Ausberry can do both but if not that's why we keep Myers and maybe Gordon around.
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | Those TE's listed play with elite quarterbacks on teams that rarely run the ball.
For every Graham, Clark, and Hernandez (Brees, Brady, Manning) there is Gronkowski, Davis, Miller, Gates, Gonzalez ( who can block)
And Finley? Finley sucks. Yeah he draws double coverage at times but he can't block and has stone hands. Definitely overrated
There's exceptions to every rule and in our offense, TE's need to block. Hopefully Ausberry can do both but if not that's why we keep Myers and maybe Gordon around. |
I'm not suggesting Pryor can be our 100% solution to TEs. Teams use blocking a receiving TEs all the time. I'm suggesting his athleticism could be utilized in that position more than holding a clipboard as the 3rd string QB when we need a TE. IMO, it's our weakest position and badly.
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