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Baixis
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| DKDALfan wrote: | | Baixis wrote: | | DKDALfan wrote: | I wouldnt do it. he would walk around as a bad influence the next two years because he's unhappy as the #3 reciever, and then he would just walk when his contract is done. and that is IF he wants to play for Dallas, which I doubt. my guess is that he wants big money and/or a starting job. he is getting none of those two things in Dallas. I sure never would pick Harvin over Austin or Dez..
and don't forget that we do have some young guys on the roster showing a lot of promise, so I don't think that we need to risk destroying the good energy there's in the locker room right now. having Jenkins is risk enough for me.. |
So maybe do some kind of Jenkins/Harvin swap or a deal that involved Jenkins AND Felix for Harvin and a future pick. Also, we COULD pay him - give him a bigger extension - because he would be filling so many roles that he would be worth it. I think Garrett would give him plenty of playing time to make him happy AND in a couple years, maybe he's actually starting over Austin. |
I feel like Jenkins over who ever else we have as CB after Carr, Claiborne and Scandrick is a bigger upgrade then Harvin over the slot recievers we got on the roster. also why would he agree to an contract extension when he likely would be behind Austin and Dez on the depth the chart the next couple of years? he would be unhappy until then. so yes he might be over Austin in a couple of years, but i'm pretty sure that he wants to be a starter now.
but well, I guess that this is more a question about how comfortable you are with the guys we have competing for a chance in the slot when talking about if we should trade for Harvin. |
I think I understand what you're getting at. My feeling though is that I would feel WAY more comfortable with him as a #3 than anyone we currently have. But more importantly in my mind is that he would be our PR too, AND our KR, AND take over for Felix as the playmaker. I would even consider trading Jenkins AND Felix for Harvin and a draft pick. The money we paid Harvin would be worth it in my mind because he would be filling so many roles. If it was just for a #3 WR, then no, there's no way I would do it. But the fact is, he is a monster weapon, AND would keep Dez away from doing returns, which is just a great situation in my mind.
Right now we're all worried/wondering who will be our #3, as well as wondering about our return guys, and who our #3 RB will be - I like Tanner AND Dunbar, but will we actually keep both? Trade Felix, let Harvin take some of those snaps, and sure, we could keep both. |
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BlackandBlue
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| waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
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flyingmonkey30
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| BlackandBlue wrote: | | waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
As a wide receiver, Austin is better. In less games, Austin still had more yards and significantly more touchdowns. As a playmaker, the edge is to Harvin. Personally, I would rather the better receiver, Austin
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GeneralDissaray
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| What makes sense to me is that the Browns trade for Harvin. Help your rookie qb out. |
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ware94
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | ware94 wrote: | You have to remember: the #3 receiver in Dallas is actually the #4 receiver. If Harvin actually becomes the #3 target, who becomes #4? Bryant? Austin? Witten?
I'm sure you can find pros and cons for a swap of Austin and Harvin, but personally, I'll stick with the chemistry of the Romo/Austin combo and root for an Andre Holmes prove themselves worthy of a shot. |
Does it matter who becomes the #4 reciever on the team? Percy Harvin has had minor off the field issues and sounds like he wants to be treated fairly, paid well for his services and be on a winning team. Nothing wrong with that.
I would much rather have a proven playmaker at WR then a WR with Patrick Crayton speed (Holmes). |
Uh, yeah it does matter, actually. Why would he even want to go to Dallas to be the 4th option? Also, If Dallas was going to pay the 4th option what Harvin is probably seeking, Laurent Robinson would still be there. Do you believe Harvin thinks Robinson should be paid more than him? No, He'll want AT LEAST what Robinson got.
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sodakcowboy78
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Jenkins for another off weapon...no thanks
If Jenkins goes to another team via trade please let it be for high draft pick or a starting caliber def player
Dallas has enough weapons of off and really only needs help along the off line...maybe...i like some of the options the Boys have at C and OG...young guys that need good coaching and a chance to play. The 3rd wr and 4th option for Romo is on the team...let a young buck on the roster step up and win that spot.
I really think Dallas would rather hold on to Jenkins and use him as a player in a upgraded Defensive Backfield under R Ryan or have another team offer a high draft pick during camp or when the season starts. Injuries will force other teams to pick up the phone and ask Jerry "please...pretty please"...
Percy is a great off weapon in my opinion...but...what would be enough to satisfy him money wise and depth chart wise. I just think the Boys are focused right now and dont need distractions like that. And like others have reported...the Vikings have no intention of trading him...and if they did it would take more than just Jenkins in my opinion.
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Tony7188
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| BlackandBlue wrote: | | waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
And to add to your argument, who has Harvin had throwing him the ball? Other than Brett Favre's one amazing year there before he became over the hill, no other QB was even close to the level of Romo.
Put Harvin with Romo and this offense WILL be a unstoppable juggernaut
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Tony7188
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
As a wide receiver, Austin is better. In less games, Austin still had more yards and significantly more touchdowns. As a playmaker, the edge is to Harvin. Personally, I would rather the better receiver, Austin |
Yeah and we know Austin is that much better because the Vikings has had a QB the caliber of Romo since 08. Wait he hasn't.
All I'm saying is that Harvin is closer to Austin than people think. If Harvin had Romo then he would have a breakout season
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flyingmonkey30
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
As a wide receiver, Austin is better. In less games, Austin still had more yards and significantly more touchdowns. As a playmaker, the edge is to Harvin. Personally, I would rather the better receiver, Austin |
Yeah and we know Austin is that much better because the Vikings has had a QB the caliber of Romo since 08. Wait he hasn't.
All I'm saying is that Harvin is closer to Austin than people think. If Harvin had Romo then he would have a breakout season |
Austin having a better quarterback doesn't make him run better routes, display better hands, or prove that he is a better red zone target. Now, I won't deny that Harvin is the more explosive player, and he is probably the bigger game changer. So I guess its what you prefer personally. I have no problem with someone saying they would rather the better playmaker, but as a pure wide receiver, I will take Austin ten times out of ten, primarily because I like bigger receivers
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Tony7188
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| ware94 wrote: | | Tony7188 wrote: | | ware94 wrote: | You have to remember: the #3 receiver in Dallas is actually the #4 receiver. If Harvin actually becomes the #3 target, who becomes #4? Bryant? Austin? Witten?
I'm sure you can find pros and cons for a swap of Austin and Harvin, but personally, I'll stick with the chemistry of the Romo/Austin combo and root for an Andre Holmes prove themselves worthy of a shot. |
Does it matter who becomes the #4 reciever on the team? Percy Harvin has had minor off the field issues and sounds like he wants to be treated fairly, paid well for his services and be on a winning team. Nothing wrong with that.
I would much rather have a proven playmaker at WR then a WR with Patrick Crayton speed (Holmes). |
Uh, yeah it does matter, actually. Why would he even want to go to Dallas to be the 4th option? Also, If Dallas was going to pay the 4th option what Harvin is probably seeking, Laurent Robinson would still be there. Do you believe Harvin thinks Robinson should be paid more than him? No, He'll want AT LEAST what Robinson got. |
Has he come out and said that he was interested in money? Nope. And it doesn't matter what option he would be because if he came here he would get his contract and he will be used quite often. Romo doesn't play favorites contrary to popular belief, and if Harvin is open he's getting him the ball.
And everybody knows Laurent Robinson isn't worth the contract he got, and he's not a dynamic scorer like Robinson. Harvin's track record speaks for itself on why the Cowboys should trade and pay for him. Robinson's does not
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Tony7188
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | Tony7188 wrote: | | flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | BlackandBlue wrote: | | waremd wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | htfryar wrote: | | TheStarStillShines wrote: | | I would deal Austin for Harvin in a heartbeat. |
Really? Why? Austin is a legitimate Top 10-15 WR. Harvin, not so much. |
I wouldn't say Austin is a legitimate top-10 or -15 WR in the NFL. Definitely not top-10, and he might eek into the top-15. Anyway...
Harvin is 24 years old. Austin will be 28 next week.
Harvin is a multi-dimensional threat, as he can return kickoffs and punts, run the football out of the backfield, and play inside or outside.
Harvin has an issue with migraines, but Austin has hamstring issues.
So, yeah, I would take Harvin over Austin. |
What??!... I don't even.
In no way shape or form is Harvin even on the same level as Miles and his hamstring issue were from not working out hard enough during the strike. |
Austin has 315 more yards than Harvin since 2009, and eight more receiving touchdowns.
Then you add in 4 return TDs for Harvin and zero for Austin, 587 rushing yards for Harvin compared to 94 for Austin, and 3 rushing TDs compared to 1 for Austin.
I don't see how anyone could objectively say Austin is vastly better as a player than Harvin is. |
As a wide receiver, Austin is better. In less games, Austin still had more yards and significantly more touchdowns. As a playmaker, the edge is to Harvin. Personally, I would rather the better receiver, Austin |
Yeah and we know Austin is that much better because the Vikings has had a QB the caliber of Romo since 08. Wait he hasn't.
All I'm saying is that Harvin is closer to Austin than people think. If Harvin had Romo then he would have a breakout season |
Austin having a better quarterback doesn't make him run better routes, display better hands, or prove that he is a better red zone target. Now, I won't deny that Harvin is the more explosive player, and he is probably the bigger game changer. So I guess its what you prefer personally. I have no problem with someone saying they would rather the better playmaker, but as a pure wide receiver, I will take Austin ten times out of ten, primarily because I like bigger receivers |
As of right now, yes Austin is the better WR then Harvin... but he's also been in the league three years longer.
Harvin is bound to have a breakout season as a WR in the next three years and if he had a QB like Romo he could have numbers similar to Austin
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ware94
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony7188 wrote: | | ware94 wrote: | | Tony7188 wrote: | | ware94 wrote: | You have to remember: the #3 receiver in Dallas is actually the #4 receiver. If Harvin actually becomes the #3 target, who becomes #4? Bryant? Austin? Witten?
I'm sure you can find pros and cons for a swap of Austin and Harvin, but personally, I'll stick with the chemistry of the Romo/Austin combo and root for an Andre Holmes prove themselves worthy of a shot. |
Does it matter who becomes the #4 reciever on the team? Percy Harvin has had minor off the field issues and sounds like he wants to be treated fairly, paid well for his services and be on a winning team. Nothing wrong with that.
I would much rather have a proven playmaker at WR then a WR with Patrick Crayton speed (Holmes). |
Uh, yeah it does matter, actually. Why would he even want to go to Dallas to be the 4th option? Also, If Dallas was going to pay the 4th option what Harvin is probably seeking, Laurent Robinson would still be there. Do you believe Harvin thinks Robinson should be paid more than him? No, He'll want AT LEAST what Robinson got. |
Has he come out and said that he was interested in money? Nope. And it doesn't matter what option he would be because if he came here he would get his contract and he will be used quite often. Romo doesn't play favorites contrary to popular belief, and if Harvin is open he's getting him the ball.
And everybody knows Laurent Robinson isn't worth the contract he got, and he's not a dynamic scorer like Robinson. Harvin's track record speaks for itself on why the Cowboys should trade and pay for him. Robinson's does not |
So, because he hasn't said anything about money means he's not interested in it? That's naive. You DO realize Dallas waited until Newman's contract was taken off the books before the signed any of their draft picks, right? There's a reason for that. There's something called the salary cap. Maybe in your little Madden franchise you have that turned off, but in the real game, teams can't just spend money like George Steinbrenner.
I'm not saying that Harvin isn't a good player, but why on earth would Dallas feel like they need to trade for him?
Hell, they haven't even signed Claiborne yet!
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| StarStillWining wrote: | | http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20120621-writer-why-swapping-dez-bryant-for-disgruntled-percy-harvin-makes-sense-for-cowboys.ece Wow really! I think this is getting a bit out of hand! |
What credentials does RJ Choppy have? Reading his bio, I think we could get more valuable analysis from Doug Gottlieb.
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