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jrry32
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In fact, if you put any stock in post-season workouts:
Janoris Jenkins:
5'10"
193
4.46 40
33.5" VJ
10'01" BJ
4.13 SS
6.95 3CD
Jayron Hosley:
5'10"
178
4.47 40
34.5 VJ
10'01" BJ
4.31 SS
7.08 3CD
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skrILL
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| jrry32 wrote: | In fact, if you put any stock in post-season workouts:
Janoris Jenkins:
5'10"
193
4.46 40
33.5" VJ
10'01" BJ
4.13 SS
6.95 3CD
Jayron Hosley:
5'10"
178
4.47 40
34.5 VJ
10'01" BJ
4.31 SS
7.08 3CD |
Where are you getting your numbers from? Hosley ran a 4.38 forty and has a 37" vertical.
Can't wait to bring this thread back up when I'm right. I'm not knocking Jenkins, I just think Hosley is criminally underrated.
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| jvh1827 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | TheVillain112 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: | The simple fact that the Giants snagged Jayron Hosley with the second to last pick in the third round gives them the better draft. Well not really but I LOVE that pick and that's why Reese is the best in the biz.
I am still blown away how Hosley fell so far. He was the second best corner in this draft behind Claiborne. Aside from his size, he has very few minute flaws in his game. Future top 5 cornerback. |
Guessing because he failed a drug test at the combine. I had a 2nd round grade on him, not too surprised after a failed drug test that he would drop to the 3rd round. I like him on the field though and he should be a good pick for the Giants.
Also people are sleeping on Keenan Robinson. He'll be a great pick for the Redskins... |
Or it might have had to do with him being undersized, getting torched at times during 2011, having injury issues and lacking strength.
| skrILL wrote: | The simple fact that the Giants snagged Jayron Hosley with the second to last pick in the third round gives them the better draft. Well not really but I LOVE that pick and that's why Reese is the best in the biz.
I am still blown away how Hosley fell so far. He was the second best corner in this draft behind Claiborne. Aside from his size, he has very few minute flaws in his game. Future top 5 cornerback. |
Janoris Jenkins is a far better CB than Jayron Hosley. Hosley is not even in my top 5 in this class. He went right where he should have. |
Jenkins is not a far better CB than Hosley. Hosley is way more athletic, faster, and has better ball skills. The only edge I give to Jenkins is his physicality, Hosley's got him beat everywhere else.
I'd go as far as to say that Hosley was the most athletic player in this draft. But I guess we'll have to wait and see how this class pans out. |
Yea, Jenkins is and Hosley isn't even close to the most athletic player in this draft.
It's pretty obvious when you watch them play that Jenkins is better. He has better instincts, he's a better technician, he anticipates routes better and breaks on the ball better than Hosley. Not to mention him being much stronger and more physical. |
Aside from him being stronger and more physical, the rest is extremely debatable. |
It really isn't though, IMO. Jenkins was knocked for character concerns, not because he lacks ability. He isn't the greatest athlete, but that doesn't make him a poor corner. Hosley is faster, but Jenkins is more complete has plays better instinctive defense. I'll take his cover skills anytime over Hosley's athleticism. The big question mark surrounding Jenkins, as I noted earlier, is how he will fit in a locker room and whether or not he can stay out of trouble. |
To say it's not debatable is a flat out lie.
I'm clearly arguing with people who have not seen much of Hosley. I'm dropping this conversation, we'll find out the answer to the OP's question in about three years.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| skrILL wrote: |
To say it's not debatable is a flat out lie.
I'm clearly arguing with people who have not seen much of Hosley. I'm dropping this conversation, we'll find out the answer to the OP's question in about three years. |
I've seen plenty of Hosley. In fact, you want me to pull up a video of Chris Givens torching Hosley?
| skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | In fact, if you put any stock in post-season workouts:
Janoris Jenkins:
5'10"
193
4.46 40
33.5" VJ
10'01" BJ
4.13 SS
6.95 3CD
Jayron Hosley:
5'10"
178
4.47 40
34.5 VJ
10'01" BJ
4.31 SS
7.08 3CD |
Where are you getting your numbers from? Hosley ran a 4.38 forty and has a 37" vertical.
Can't wait to bring this thread back up when I'm right. I'm not knocking Jenkins, I just think Hosley is criminally underrated. |
I'm getting my numbers from nfldraftscout AND the footballsfuture combine spreadsheet. Both have Hosley down for a 4.47 40.
I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.
I'll be waiting with baited breath because I don't ever expect to see this again. JJ is a better cover CB and better in run support.
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skrILL
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| jrry32 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: |
To say it's not debatable is a flat out lie.
I'm clearly arguing with people who have not seen much of Hosley. I'm dropping this conversation, we'll find out the answer to the OP's question in about three years. |
I've seen plenty of Hosley. In fact, you want me to pull up a video of Chris Givens torching Hosley?
| skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | In fact, if you put any stock in post-season workouts:
Janoris Jenkins:
5'10"
193
4.46 40
33.5" VJ
10'01" BJ
4.13 SS
6.95 3CD
Jayron Hosley:
5'10"
178
4.47 40
34.5 VJ
10'01" BJ
4.31 SS
7.08 3CD |
Where are you getting your numbers from? Hosley ran a 4.38 forty and has a 37" vertical.
Can't wait to bring this thread back up when I'm right. I'm not knocking Jenkins, I just think Hosley is criminally underrated. |
I'm getting my numbers from nfldraftscout AND the footballsfuture combine spreadsheet. Both have Hosley down for a 4.47 40.
I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.
I'll be waiting with baited breath because I don't ever expect to see this again. JJ is a better cover CB and better in run support. |
I got my numbers from nfl.com, but it looks like that might be the unofficial time (I still don't get that whole concept but whatever). I saw his vertical on Sports Science and I based it off that because he didn't do it at the Combine.
And sure you can pull that video up it really won't change my opinion much. Revis has been torched by Randy Moss, does that make him worse than JJ? Everybody gets beat at some point or another, I don't judge a player by a single play.
By using your logic, I can pull up a video of Hosley picking off Andrew Luck, what merit does that hold with you?
Like I said, we will see shortly. I'm very confident I'm right on this one.
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skrILL
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And don't get me wrong, I love Janoris Jenkins and I think he's gonna be a stud too. I just like Hosley better.
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jrry32
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| Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | | skrILL wrote: |
To say it's not debatable is a flat out lie.
I'm clearly arguing with people who have not seen much of Hosley. I'm dropping this conversation, we'll find out the answer to the OP's question in about three years. |
I've seen plenty of Hosley. In fact, you want me to pull up a video of Chris Givens torching Hosley?
| skrILL wrote: | | jrry32 wrote: | In fact, if you put any stock in post-season workouts:
Janoris Jenkins:
5'10"
193
4.46 40
33.5" VJ
10'01" BJ
4.13 SS
6.95 3CD
Jayron Hosley:
5'10"
178
4.47 40
34.5 VJ
10'01" BJ
4.31 SS
7.08 3CD |
Where are you getting your numbers from? Hosley ran a 4.38 forty and has a 37" vertical.
Can't wait to bring this thread back up when I'm right. I'm not knocking Jenkins, I just think Hosley is criminally underrated. |
I'm getting my numbers from nfldraftscout AND the footballsfuture combine spreadsheet. Both have Hosley down for a 4.47 40.
I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.
I'll be waiting with baited breath because I don't ever expect to see this again. JJ is a better cover CB and better in run support. |
I got my numbers from nfl.com, but it looks like that might be the unofficial time (I still don't get that whole concept but whatever). I saw his vertical on Sports Science and I based it off that because he didn't do it at the Combine. |
Sports Science videos are not very reliable on their measurements. He did the vertical jump at his Pro Day so I used that.
As for official vs. unofficial, official is electric timed and unofficial is stopwatch timed. One isn't any more accurate than the other but in order to be fair, you gotta use the same method for each player...basically if you're going unofficial for Hosley, you gotta do the same for Jenkins. Which is why I went official for both.
| Quote: | | And sure you can pull that video up it really won't change my opinion much. Revis has been torched by Randy Moss, does that make him worse than JJ? Everybody gets beat at some point or another, I don't judge a player by a single play. |
I don't expect it to. I'm just saying Hosley got abused this year. He was great in 2010 but suffered through nagging injuries and just didn't look special in 2011.
| Quote: | | Like I said, we will see shortly. I'm very confident I'm right on this one. |
I'm very confident too. And it appears Jenkins will likely be an opening day starter...getting the nod over Bradley Fletcher who played like a legit #1 CB last year.
Hosley always seemed like a nickel CB to me. Just doesn't seem to have the size, strength and physicality to match-up on the outside.
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| the giants rg3 gets injured versus steelers, st loius gets the frist pick |
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vikingsrule
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| Hard to say really. On paper right now, the Giants since they had more picks. However, if RGIII lives up to the hype, a franchise QB will be greater than anything that comes of the Giants draft in terms of impact. |
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Hosley had two seasons last year.
He started by playing lights out, he looked like the best corner in the draft class bar none. Then he got hurt, and after his injury he was a completely different corner, hesitant, slow of the break, less physical.
I think when he got hurt he realized his pro-chances got hurt as well, and so tempered back a bit to avoid ending his career.
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Interesting comments on Hosely. I didn't realize some people think so highly of him. Hopefully you guys are right.
All three of the Giants first three picks reportedly had good mining camps and OTAs. I'm giddy about David Wilson. He is the most talented running back the Giants have had since I started following football ten years ago.
I don't get the comparison being made in this thread. Other than them being division rivals, why are they being compared? One team was picking near the top of the draft, and needed a franchise QB. The other team was picking last and coming off a SB win. One team is trying to become a contender, the other is just reloading. Different situations, different needs, different everything.
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Its almost impossible to decide between drafts, because one is drafting mainly for depth and to fill future holes, and one is completely rebuilding a team.
But my favorite picks of each draft are...
Washington: Adam Gettis (in a ZBS, he was one of the best OG's in the draft, he's going to be GOOD)
New York: Rueben Randal
The thing i'm noticing is that the Giants, basically wanted an RB, and aside from that they went BPA, grabbing Randal, Hosely, Mosely and McCants, who can all be in contention for the best value at that spot.
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I don't get the comparison being made in this thread. Other than them being division rivals, why are they being compared? One team was picking near the top of the draft, and needed a franchise QB. The other team was picking last and coming off a SB win. One team is trying to become a contender, the other is just reloading. Different situations, different needs, different everything. |
Division rivals and most publications had both ranked A or B |
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| vikingsrule wrote: | | Hard to say really. On paper right now, the Giants since they had more picks. However, if RGIII lives up to the hype, a franchise QB will be greater than anything that comes of the Giants draft in terms of impact. |
Giants still have 2 more first rounders that the Skins dont have.Hard to compare when 1 team trades those picks
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| The Redskins' selection of Josh LeRibeus in the 3rd round still has me shaking my head. Bobbie Massie would have been a better choice as a potential G or a T. Moseley and McCants were better players, too. The Giants had no real head-scratchers, thus they had the better overall draft. |
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