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| turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | Im not sure they could take a chance putting Minnifield on the PS. Im pretty confident he would be snatched up pretty quick by another team.
I dont remember White out playing Jackson? Jackson filled in for Orakpo when he needed a breather and late in the season when he hurt his shoulder. I thought the coaching staff is pretty high on Jackson.
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That's because White never did outplay Jackson, but I guess maybe, maybe he showed more explosion on a few plays vs 3rd string OL. That certainly doesn't mean that he's better than Jackson though who as you said has played for Orakpo and beaten 1st team OL.
If I remember correctly this is the 2nd or 3rd year that Footy has wanted Jackson replaced but I'm not sure what he doesn't like him. Jackson has been a hard worker, a decent pass rusher and a good back up at OLB. I'm,glad the coaches see what I see in him and he's stuck around. |
I genuinely like Jackson and White and hope both make the team.
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | Im not sure they could take a chance putting Minnifield on the PS. Im pretty confident he would be snatched up pretty quick by another team.
I dont remember White out playing Jackson? Jackson filled in for Orakpo when he needed a breather and late in the season when he hurt his shoulder. I thought the coaching staff is pretty high on Jackson.
Really, I could be wrong. |
That's because White never did outplay Jackson, but I guess maybe, maybe he showed more explosion on a few plays vs 3rd string OL. That certainly doesn't mean that he's better than Jackson though who as you said has played for Orakpo and beaten 1st team OL.
If I remember correctly this is the 2nd or 3rd year that Footy has wanted Jackson replaced but I'm not sure what he doesn't like him. Jackson has been a hard worker, a decent pass rusher and a good back up at OLB. I'm,glad the coaches see what I see in him and he's stuck around. |
I genuinely like Jackson and White and hope both make the team. |
Same here. I think there is room for both and they are both our future reserves at OLB for the next 5-10 years behind Rak and Kerrigan
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In: Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young Out: Tristan Davis, Alfred Morris, Antwon Bailey, Lennon Creer
Tight ends
In: Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley Out: Logan Paulsen, Richard Quinn, Beau Reliford
Wide receivers
In: Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson Out: Brandon Banks, Terrence Austin, Darius Hanks, Brian Hernandez, Lance Lewis, Samuel Kirkland
Quarterbacks
In: Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins Out: Jonathan Crompton
O line
In: Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton Out: Erik Cook, Grant Garner, Adam Gettis, Maurice Hurt, Nevin McCaskill, James Lee, Nick Martinez
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I hope Hurt makes the team.
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[quote="THESKINSFAN21"] | turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | Im not sure they could take a chance putting Minnifield on the PS. Im pretty confident he would be snatched up pretty quick by another team.
I dont remember White out playing Jackson? Jackson filled in for Orakpo when he needed a breather and late in the season when he hurt his shoulder. I thought the coaching staff is pretty high on Jackson.
Really, I could be wrong. |
That's because White never did outplay Jackson, but I guess maybe, maybe he showed more explosion on a few plays vs 3rd string OL. That certainly doesn't mean that he's better than Jackson though who as you said has played for Orakpo and beaten 1st team OL.
If I remember correctly this is the 2nd or 3rd year that Footy has wanted Jackson replaced but I'm not sure what he doesn't like him. Jackson has been a hard worker, a decent pass rusher and a good back up at OLB. I'm,glad the coaches see what I see in him and he's stuck around. |
I was content that he was on the team last year, but this year is a different story. I do believe that Markus White has the higher upside because of that burst. Jackson faced those same 2nd string OL in preseason and White looked better.
Kerrigan and Orakpo have been fairly durable players and you should anticipate that both remain healthy. If not, it's not going to make much of a difference if you have White or Jackson. Otherwise, there is Keenan Robinson who could have that versatility, and Lorenzo has starts at LOLB if you're really stuck.
I think Jackson's spot on the roster spot is one that you can use elsewhere. Draft a pass-rusher next year as insurance against injury or Orakpo leaving, but Jackson is not talented enough to warrant keeping him if you need that roster spot.
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Quote: | Running backs
In: Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young Out: Tristan Davis, Alfred Morris, Antwon Bailey, Lennon Creer
Tight ends
In: Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley Out: Logan Paulsen, Richard Quinn, Beau Reliford
Wide receivers
In: Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson Out: Brandon Banks, Terrence Austin, Darius Hanks, Brian Hernandez, Lance Lewis, Samuel Kirkland
Quarterbacks
In: Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins Out: Jonathan Crompton
O line
In: Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton Out: Erik Cook, Grant Garner, Adam Gettis, Maurice Hurt, Nevin McCaskill, James Lee, Nick Martinez
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I hope Hurt makes the team. |
Hurt is in a tough spot, we brought in two OL in the draft to replace him on the roster and possibly 3 if you want to include James Lee in FA. From what I've read, Hurt has been working out at RT, which I believe he also played at Florida. I'd like Hurt to make the team as well, but he may be the odd man out depending on how well the guys we brought in perform and how much he improves.
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| footy_29 wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | Im not sure they could take a chance putting Minnifield on the PS. Im pretty confident he would be snatched up pretty quick by another team.
I dont remember White out playing Jackson? Jackson filled in for Orakpo when he needed a breather and late in the season when he hurt his shoulder. I thought the coaching staff is pretty high on Jackson.
Really, I could be wrong. |
That's because White never did outplay Jackson, but I guess maybe, maybe he showed more explosion on a few plays vs 3rd string OL. That certainly doesn't mean that he's better than Jackson though who as you said has played for Orakpo and beaten 1st team OL.
If I remember correctly this is the 2nd or 3rd year that Footy has wanted Jackson replaced but I'm not sure what he doesn't like him. Jackson has been a hard worker, a decent pass rusher and a good back up at OLB. I'm,glad the coaches see what I see in him and he's stuck around. |
I was content that he was on the team last year, but this year is a different story. I do believe that Markus White has the higher upside because of that burst. Jackson faced those same 2nd string OL in preseason and White looked better.
Kerrigan and Orakpo have been fairly durable players and you should anticipate that both remain healthy. If not, it's not going to make much of a difference if you have White or Jackson. Otherwise, there is Keenan Robinson who could have that versatility, and Lorenzo has starts at LOLB if you're really stuck.
I think Jackson's spot on the roster spot is one that you can use elsewhere. Draft a pass-rusher next year as insurance against injury or Orakpo leaving, but Jackson is not talented enough to warrant keeping him if you need that roster spot. |
I'd have to see White play at a higher and more consistent level to determine that he should be on the team over Jackson. I understand what you are saying, in ceiling but Jackson has started and performed well when he had to in place of Orakpo.
Ultimately, I think both are on the roster. Jackson will be backing up Orakpo for the 3rd year straight and White will be backing up Kerrigan for the 2nd year straight. I really don't see any reason why either should be gone, nor do I see anyone else on the roster who would take either's spot as our back up OLBs.
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This is who Rich Tandler has making the 53......couple of suprises
Cornerback
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Chase Minnifield
Safety
Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes
Linebackers
Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Markus White, Chris Wilson, London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Jonathan Goff
Defensive line
Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Neild
Running backs
Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young
Tight ends
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley
Wide receivers
Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson
Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
Offensive line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton
Special Teams
P Sav Rocca, LS Nick Sundberg, PK Graham Gano |
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| Marcus21 wrote: | http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/The-53-Rackers-or-Gano-?
This is who Rich Tandler has making the 53......couple of suprises
Cornerback
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Chase Minnifield
Safety
Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes
Linebackers
Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Markus White, Chris Wilson, London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Jonathan Goff
Defensive line
Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Neild
Running backs
Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young
Tight ends
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley
Wide receivers
Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson
Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
Offensive line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton
Special Teams
P Sav Rocca, LS Nick Sundberg, PK Graham Gano |
I don't see Chris Wilson making the team
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/The-53-Rackers-or-Gano-?
This is who Rich Tandler has making the 53......couple of suprises
Cornerback
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Chase Minnifield
Safety
Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes
Linebackers
Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Markus White, Chris Wilson, London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Jonathan Goff
Defensive line
Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Neild
Running backs
Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young
Tight ends
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley
Wide receivers
Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson
Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
Offensive line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton
Special Teams
P Sav Rocca, LS Nick Sundberg, PK Graham Gano |
I don't see Chris Wilson making the team |
I was really surprised by:
Chris Wilson
Tom Compton
Tyler Polumbus
Richard Crawford
Anthony Armstrong
I was also surprised he had 10 LBs on his squad and only 6 Dlinemen |
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| THESKINSFAN21 wrote: | | Marcus21 wrote: | http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/The-53-Rackers-or-Gano-?
This is who Rich Tandler has making the 53......couple of suprises
Cornerback
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Chase Minnifield
Safety
Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes
Linebackers
Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Markus White, Chris Wilson, London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Jonathan Goff
Defensive line
Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Neild
Running backs
Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young
Tight ends
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley
Wide receivers
Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson
Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins
Offensive line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton
Special Teams
P Sav Rocca, LS Nick Sundberg, PK Graham Gano |
I don't see Chris Wilson making the team |
Yeah, even if Gettis gets to the PS, you should still have a second interior lineman, just in case - one sub for three positions doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus and Tom Compton are offensive tackles only. If you keep three players that can play tackle, you need at least one that can play guard just as well (ex. Artis Hicks).
I would drop Chris Wilson and fill that spot with an extra I-OL, and drop Rob Jackson and give the spot to Reed Doughty. Positional versatility matters. It is the reason that Cedric Griffin is on this team, it is the reason that DeJon Gomes was drafted, it is the reason that Alexander, Doughty and Golston are still around. Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson give you some of that as converted DEs, however I would rather have Markus White, followed by Keen Rob/Xander Zo. One could play both and one has started games at one and has moved to the other.
Fletcher is an is Ironman and Kerrigan looks it (all 1,056 snaps in 2011), and while Orakpo had some injuries last year, he has missed one game in his three seasons. You have a veteran (Goff) behind Riley and Fletcher, in addition to Lorenzo and a rookie 4th rounder. The starters should be set and three have at least some track record of health...at some point, you have to bank on your players staying healthy. Have one primary back-up at OLB, the highest potential player, and keep a couple versatile LBs. There are going to be vet OLBs on the market if you encounter catastrophy, but even if that happens, Rob Jackson is not going to be the difference between sinking or swimming.
Maybe you still cut Reed Doughty, and maybe the number of OL stays the same rather than going up one, but you can use the two spots that are currently devoted to LB elsewhere - you should not need 10 LBs for 4 starting spots unless you think they are going to be the core of your STs and the players you are cutting elsewhere would not make a difference.
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| Marcus21 wrote: | http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/The-53-Rackers-or-Gano-?
This is who Rich Tandler has making the 53......couple of suprises
Cornerback
DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Chase Minifield |
I still think Barnes makes it over Crawdord. Crawford will be on the practice squad.
| Quote: | Safety
Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson, Madieu Williams, DeJon Gomes |
agreed!
| Quote: | Linebackers
Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Rob Jackson, Markus White, Chris Wilson, London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Jonathan Goff |
i don't see Chris Wilson making it. I'm actually surprised we re-signed him. We didn't retain him last year, so I just dot see it.
| Quote: | Defensive line
Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Barry Cofield, Chris Neild |
I agree with that, maybe Blamer makes it because Chris Wilson won't
| Quote: | Running backs
Roy Helu Jr., Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Darrell Young |
I totally agree
| Quote: | Tight ends
Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Chris Cooley |
I still think Paulsen should make it because of his blocking and the fact that Paul is going to be learning a totally new position and IMO won't contribute much.
| Quote: | Wide receivers
Anthony Armstrong, Pierre Garçon, Leonard Hankerson, Josh Morgan, Santana Moss, Aldrick Robinson |
I still think banks will make it over Robinson and Robinson will be on the practice squad.
| Quote: | Quarterbacks
Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins |
agreed
| Quote: | Offensive line
Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton |
i think Compton will be on the practice squad, not 53 man Roster with Gettis. I think James Lee has a better shot of making the 53 man roster.
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P Sav Rocca, LS Nick Sundberg, PK Graham Gano |
I agree.
| Quote: | | I don't see Chris Wilson making the team |
Agreed
| Quote: | I was really surprised by:
Chris Wilson
Tom Compton
Tyler Polumbus
Richard Crawford
Anthony Armstrong
I was also surprised he had 10 LBs on his squad and only 6 Dlinemen |
I'm surprised by only Wilson, Crawford and Compton those seem to be new predictions by Rich also like you said, 10 lbs just doesn't add up to me either.
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| footy_29 wrote: | | I would drop Chris Wilson and fill that spot with an extra I-OL, and drop Rob Jackson and give the spot to Reed Doughty. Positional versatility matters. It is the reason that Cedric Griffin is on this team, it is the reason that DeJon Gomes was drafted, it is the reason that Alexander, Doughty and Golston are still around. Chris Wilson and Rob Jackson give you some of that as converted DEs, however I would rather have Markus White, followed by Keen Rob/Xander Zo. One could play both and one has started games at one and has moved to the other. |
I'm confused. Versatility matters?
But then you say keep Reed Doughty?  I like Reed a lot but he might be the least versatile player on our roster. Hes stricly a SS and everyone knows that. Also, when have we (or any team for that matter) carried 3 Safties? I think it's between Gomes and Doughty who makes it and because I think Gomes has a bright future and I think the team believes it also, Gomes (sadly for me) makes it over Doughty.
I dont see Chris Wilson making it, but if you are going to say Cedric Griffin is versatile and should make it because of that, then the same would be for Kevin Barnes, Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson. At least Barnes has played both safety positions and both cb positions, he's also younger with more upside. Jackson and Wilson have played DE in the nfl also, Cedric Griffin (to my knowledge has never played anything but cb). I think Barnes, Jackson and Griffin all make the team.
Why do I think that? They are better than the others that are competing with them for their positions.
I still think its pretty clear that Rob Jackson is our 3rd best Olb on this team. He's the one who has come in the past two years and subbed for Orakpo, he's the one who has subbed for injuries at the position.
Markus white makes it as our 4th Olb, backing up Kerrigan. I see us keeping 9 lbs. I agree with everyone that 10 won't happen and Chris Wilson is that odd man out.
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Rich Tandler says that his 53 players he has making the team this year is an average 26.8 years old. Only seven of them are 30 or older and of those players only two, London Fletcher and Jammal Brown, are starters as of now.
This is in direct contrast to when Shanahan inherited this roster in the uncapped 2010 season when free agency was very limited and the redskins roster was very old and mostly washed up. Then, we were the oldest team in the league with an average age of over 28 and six starters over the age of 30.
Now that we've gotten younger, the key for this team is to develop our young talent. That comes from coaching, so let's see what the Shanahan's, Hasslet and Morris have GOT! It's up to them now to mold these young players on both sides of the ball into a team with great chemistry and into winners!
The FUTURE IS NOW! 
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| turtle28 wrote: | | The FUTURE IS NOW! |
Uh, the future is the future. That's the advantage of having young guys. The downside is that they are probably not ready to lead us to the promised land at this point. |
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| Woz wrote: | | turtle28 wrote: | | The FUTURE IS NOW! |
Uh, the future is the future. That's the advantage of having young guys. The downside is that they are probably not ready to lead us to the promised land at this point. |
It's George Allen's saying reborn with Bruce Allen's hiring! 
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