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| ravens5520 wrote: | Do we have any type of trade deadline?
IMO, we will have teams dumping players to playoff teams because their going to start becoming eliminated.. |
The trade deadline should have been 3 weeks ago.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:05 am Post subject: |
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| ravens5520 wrote: | Do we have any type of trade deadline?
IMO, we will have teams dumping players to playoff teams because their going to start becoming eliminated.. |
Currently, We have not had any need for a Trade Deadline. There won't be one for Season 4 since I despise making major rules changes mid-season. Feel free to discuss implementing one for Season 5, though. I'd be open to any changes owners feel are beneficial.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| TheKillerNacho wrote: | | ravens5520 wrote: | Do we have any type of trade deadline?
IMO, we will have teams dumping players to playoff teams because their going to start becoming eliminated.. |
Currently, We have not had any need for a Trade Deadline. There won't be one for Season 4 since I despise making major rules changes mid-season. Feel free to discuss implementing one for Season 5, though. I'd be open to any changes owners feel are beneficial. |
That's what I was thinking, season 5 would be fair.
My vote would either be week 6 or week 8 S5 |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:51 am Post subject: |
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I vote against trade deadlines.
Most fantasy leagues don't have them and for good reason.
Here's the thing, unless these are horrifically lopsided trades, obviously vetoed by the league admin, they aren't at all unfair.
One team is trading their present for the future and the other team is doing the opposite. It is completely within the scope of fair play.
If you must have a trade deadline, then have it like NHL or NBA where it's close to the playoffs. My vote would be Week 12. So prior to Week 13.
This would mean with 4 games left to play no trades can be made. This takes care of teams that might get eliminated late but still allows teams that have been eliminated early to gain something for next season.
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Remixxxxxxx
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Most fantasy leagues don't have them and for good reason. |
There is literally no other fantasy league like this, so this statement is irrelevant to the discussion.
| Quote: | | If you must have a trade deadline, then have it like NHL or NBA where it's close to the playoffs. My vote would be Week 12. So prior to Week 13. |
It should be week eight or ten, somewhere down the middle of the season. That's more then enough time for an owner to decide if they have what it takes to make the playoffs, or if they need to prepare for next year - as opposed to doing it when the majority of players are going to know they've been eliminated and just dump everyone for picks or tags.
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | good game VCP <3 |
GG we almost made a huge comeback but your defense did a good job gaining back the momentum in the 4rth quarter and that game really just hurt my playoff chances.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | Most fantasy leagues don't have them and for good reason. |
There is literally no other fantasy league like this, so this statement is irrelevant to the discussion. |
While true, it is not irrelevant because like a fantasy league, there is a substantial amount of luck that judges outcome.
| Quote: | | It should be week eight or ten, somewhere down the middle of the season. That's more then enough time for an owner to decide if they have what it takes to make the playoffs, or if they need to prepare for next year - as opposed to doing it when the majority of players are going to know they've been eliminated and just dump everyone for picks or tags. |
By my count, right now:
2 Teams essentially in playoffs
8 Teams in good contention
2 Teams still in the hunt
6 Teams essentially eliminated
2 Team officially eliminated
So, looking at that, only 2 teams have the luxury of "stacking up" for the playoffs, and it's not like they can stack up for free.
Meanwhile 8 teams can plan ahead, but probably a little too soon.
So, Week 10, maybe, but CERTAINLY not Week 8. At Week 8 I believe 16 of the 20 teams were in playoff contention and really only 2 were completely out of it.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So, Week 10, maybe, but CERTAINLY not Week 8. At Week 8 I believe 16 of the 20 teams were in playoff contention and really only 2 were completely out of it. |
That's the point I was making though. I think by week eight you should be able to judge if you're a playoff team or not - if you believe you're a player or two away from making a run, you go get those guys. However, if you believe your squad isn't as strong, you can stack up for next year. This should reduce people just trading EVERYONE on their team to the highest bidder, IMO.
...but, I can see what you're saying.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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If a trade deadline is ever implemented I vote for after week ten.
Has there ever been an issue with late season trades in past seasons?
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | If a trade deadline is ever implemented I vote for after week ten.
Has there ever been an issue with late season trades in past seasons? |
In the 2 seasons i've been a part of there hasn't. But this is the first one that i've ever seen an owner do a complete fire sale on his team this late in the season. But someone willing to give up something this years season is risking quite a bit more at this stage in the came. I think week 10-11 would be perfect, especially with any lopsided trade having the ability to get veto'd.
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| YoungBucs15 wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | If a trade deadline is ever implemented I vote for after week ten.
Has there ever been an issue with late season trades in past seasons? |
In the 2 seasons i've been a part of there hasn't. But this is the first one that i've ever seen an owner do a complete fire sale on his team this late in the season. But someone willing to give up something this years season is risking quite a bit more at this stage in the came. I think week 10-11 would be perfect, especially with any lopsided trade having the ability to get veto'd. |
How do we define "lopsided?" I think if a guy wants to rip himself off then let him. Each guy should be able to do to his team whatever he wants.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Remixxxxxxx wrote: | | Quote: | | So, Week 10, maybe, but CERTAINLY not Week 8. At Week 8 I believe 16 of the 20 teams were in playoff contention and really only 2 were completely out of it. |
That's the point I was making though. I think by week eight you should be able to judge if you're a playoff team or not - if you believe you're a player or two away from making a run, you go get those guys. However, if you believe your squad isn't as strong, you can stack up for next year. This should reduce people just trading EVERYONE on their team to the highest bidder, IMO.
...but, I can see what you're saying. |
I disagree. You can be 3-5....does that mean your season is over? No.
Also, you seem to be thinking of lopsided trades, I'm talking about late-season trades.
Personally, it seems the only beef an owner would have is if he's tied like 9-3 at the top of his division, and the other guy trades future picks for stud players and overtakes him.
Well then, maybe that just means you've been pressured to up your ante too?
Lopsided trades would probably be vetoed. The Roethlisberger for Brees trade earlier this season is probably the closest allowable "lopsided" trade we are able to make. And see how that turned out....
So if owners have an issue of a rival contender stacking up? You can go and stack up too.
Remember that the Saints gave me Chris Long for a LOT. So it's not like he's trading stars for pennies here...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | | How do we define "lopsided?" I think if a guy wants to rip himself off then let him. Each guy should be able to do to his team whatever he wants. |
Lopsided trades are rather easy to spot.
Obviously you can't veto an unbalanced trade, but a lopsided trade is one where NOBODY and I mean NOBODY else can reason with.
When the Roethlisberger for Brees trade happened I said myself that Big Ben had won a Taco Bowl and that he was younger and could be improving, also mobility. So while it seemed unbalanced, there was an argument for it.
A lopsided trade is a player that is universally considered a 1st Round pick-up or keeper being traded for a 4th or 1 tag or a player that is universally considered a mid-round pick-up.
My Osi trade in the off-season could be categorized as lopsided. I traded him and a tag for an 8th and 11th Rounder. However in that case, Osi carried a 3 tag keeper price, and I was going to let him go, so I lost a tag and gained an 8th and 11th Rounder while the other guy lost an 8th and 11th and had to spend 2 tags.
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | | YoungBucs15 wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | If a trade deadline is ever implemented I vote for after week ten.
Has there ever been an issue with late season trades in past seasons? |
In the 2 seasons i've been a part of there hasn't. But this is the first one that i've ever seen an owner do a complete fire sale on his team this late in the season. But someone willing to give up something this years season is risking quite a bit more at this stage in the came. I think week 10-11 would be perfect, especially with any lopsided trade having the ability to get veto'd. |
How do we define "lopsided?" I think if a guy wants to rip himself off then let him. Each guy should be able to do to his team whatever he wants. |
My best example is if say you were to trade my Suggs and Talib for say a 3rd and 2 tags. If it is blatant that the owner tanking to help another player.
By the way that is a trade offer in case you do want to go with it. 
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| Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I disagree. You can be 3-5....does that mean your season is over? No. |
I think you're missing the point I'm trying to make. There should be some risk/reward to trade and having the deadline at week 8 provides that. It leaves you as the owner having to decide how you want to move forward with your team - do you think you're a playoff team or don't you?
Having it when the playoffs are almost set is just stupid, IMO. The deadline should be set before any team is out of contention; unless the rare case[like this year] in which we have teams winning one or two games, there's nothing you can do about that.
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